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    Are there any American states to which the prefix "Thegreatstateof" should not be applied by newscasters, politicians, etc.? Regardless of what newsworthy events may be prompting the state's mention?

    Are there any established rules for this?

    As a corollary, if every US State is "great," what are your comparators? Botswana?
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    That's FURRRNER... to the likes of YOU!!
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    The only people who I ever hear say, "The great state of..." are participants in political conventions nominating presidential candidates and Texans.

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    It is kinda singular.

    I can't think that anyone could use "Thegreatprovinceof" as a prefix in Canada without being laughed at behind one's hand. Not even a provincial Premier (equivalent to a Governor) could do it.

    Cultural difference.
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    Are there any American states to which the prefix "Thegreatstateof" should not be applied by newscasters, politicians, etc.?
    Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

    They are commonwealths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    The only people who I ever hear say, "The great state of..." are participants in political conventions nominating presidential candidates and Texans.
    really? I hear it from the lips of pretty much every political show host on CNN and MSNBC too. Maddow in particular - whatever state she's discussing, or whatever state is the home turf of whoever she's interviewing.

    Have heard it said repeatedly by Cuomo, Anderson Cooper etc as well as from the lips of candidates of each party - it's thoroughly bipartisan. Feels like it's ingrained in the culture as a gesture of respect like saying "sir" or "ma'am".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

    They are commonwealths.

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    Ah, very good. A cultural idiom, like "y'all."
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    The great state of chaos and confusion....

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    It is a nod to regional pride. Tone can range from uber-sincere to 'snarky'.
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    Regional pride is good.

    (chaos and confusion, perhaps less so.)

    Canada's provinces have both, but express theirs with a bit more reserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Are there any American states to which the prefix "Thegreatstateof" should not be applied by newscasters, politicians, etc.? Regardless of what newsworthy events may be prompting the state's mention?

    Are there any established rules for this?

    As a corollary, if every US State is "great," what are your comparators? Botswana?
    Please don't compare Mississippi to Botswana. Botswana will get a swelled head.

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    See what I meant about the 'snark'? <G>
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    It is kinda singular.

    I can't think that anyone could use "Thegreatprovinceof" as a prefix in Canada without being laughed at behind one's hand. Not even a provincial Premier (equivalent to a Governor) could do it.

    Cultural difference.
    My impression of American Culture, is that hyperbole is a way of life, so much so that while its very obvious to outsiders, Americans don't even notice it.

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    It could just be that there's been a glitch in the multiverse.

    I mean, Ann Coulter just tweeted an endorsement of McConnell's Senate competitor. Who admittedly is a Marine, but is also a Democrat.

    Truly. On twitter.
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    The world has clearly gone mad. It is 98F in Ottawa, this will the third straight day of record heat. I fear for the well being of my air conditioner. Also discovered today that a client is harbouring her boyfriend who is from near Boston. I guess I should call border security and get him deported but it might piss off the client.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    really? I hear it from the lips of pretty much every political show host on CNN and MSNBC too. Maddow in particular - whatever state she's discussing, or whatever state is the home turf of whoever she's interviewing.

    Have heard it said repeatedly by Cuomo, Anderson Cooper etc as well as from the lips of candidates of each party - it's thoroughly bipartisan. Feels like it's ingrained in the culture as a gesture of respect like saying "sir" or "ma'am".
    I can't honestly say I've heard that, but they may. I would take it with a grain of salt, tongue in cheek. I suppose it's said when introducing senators at times, but I think it's just a lot of nonsense. Plus, I know from personal experience that some of those states are not so great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Ah, very good. A cultural idiom, like "y'all."
    in Virginia’s case historical legacy that’s been a source of pride. VA independence and formation as a commonwealth preceded the US and the Virginia Declaration of Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin...tion_of_Rights was influential in the drafting of the US Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    It could just be that there's been a glitch in the multiverse.

    I mean, Ann Coulter just tweeted an endorsement of McConnell's Senate competitor. Who admittedly is a Marine, but is also a Democrat.

    Truly. On twitter.
    Yeah... she's a real Maverick, that one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

    They are commonwealths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    And RI is a Plantation.


    That's right. I had forgotten!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    That's right. I had forgotten!

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    It's this sort of info that makes the WBF the go-to place for useless information...

    @the OP & pretty much in duplication of other posts - the phrase is either hyperbole or snark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    It could just be that there's been a glitch in the multiverse.

    I mean, Ann Coulter just tweeted an endorsement of McConnell's Senate competitor. Who admittedly is a Marine, but is also a Democrat.

    Truly. On twitter.

    Reverse psychology?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    It's this sort of info that makes the WBF the go-to place for useless information...

    @the OP & pretty much in duplication of other posts - the phrase is either hyperbole
    They are talking head "news commentators". Need we say more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    They are talking head "news commentators". Need we say more?


    I think its also, " statesman-like bluster." I'm not sure if such boastful self-reference was actually how our founders spake, but they are oft portrayed using the device--usually with a pointed finger or pounding fist-- in film.

    I wonder whether it is life mimicking art or art mimicking history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    I think its also, " statesman-like bluster." I'm not sure if such boastful self-reference was actually how our founders spake, but they are oft portrayed using the device--usually with a pointed finger or pounding fist-- in film.

    I wonder whether it is life mimicking art or art mimicking history?

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    Film rarely mimics history. It is life mimicking art. Do you expect those talking heads to be competent historians?
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    Tom --

    You're asking the wrong question. Or maybe everyone is responding under a misapprehension. As a child, I knew all about American Culture. My aunt kept hers in a Mason Jar in the back of the refrigerator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Are there any American states to which the prefix "Thegreatstateof" should not be applied by newscasters, politicians, etc.? Regardless of what newsworthy events may be prompting the state's mention?

    Are there any established rules for this?

    As a corollary, if every US State is "great," what are your comparators? Botswana?
    This is like with every "State of the Union" address on the same date as inauguration on other years, every US president says "The state of the nation is good" to applause. I hope Biden is honest and says the state of the nation is terrible and provides deep specifics on how he and his administration are going to right the ship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john welsford View Post
    My impression of American Culture, is that hyperbole is a way of life, so much so that while its very obvious to outsiders, Americans don't even notice it.

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    I prefer "The Mighty..."

    Works for things like boats and planes too.
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    New Brunswick isn’t great?

    I think it’s like “all brides are beautiful”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    New Brunswick isn’t great?

    I think it’s like “all brides are beautiful”.
    Well said and I am gently chastened. My daughter is in labour today, and I am reminded of the squished, purple, head-slightly-lumpy and irritable little bundles of moist and odiferous flesh that emerged from my wife's 3 labours.

    Unquestionably beautiful, every one.
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    Oh boy Tom, best wishes for a happy and beautiful new life!

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    Stoked doesnt begin to describe it.
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