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    About 4 million of us have already voted, more by friday night. It will be interesting to see what the Commission decide to do, and what the Parties decide re their campaigns. For about a third of the electorate the campaigns are no longwr relevant, if they ever were of course, and that is a moot point.
    And then there's Clive, cashed up, buting 3 and 4 pages in the print press, dozens of slots on TV and who knows what on social media, paying his campaign workers on polling day. It's deliberately mocking the whole democratic process, and the Libs are in his pocket if he succeeds in scraping them back into power, or having the balance in the senate. And where's Clive? He's in Fiji I heard, he has no policies and really doesn't care. He's treating the electorate like fools, and there may be enough of them out there for him to be proven right.

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    I had a thought yesterday that the whole Clive Palmer thing could almost be a deliberate back handed strategy to get the Libs over the line, and if successful the price the Libs will have to pay Clive will be costly.
    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question

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    Of course that's what he's about, the Chinese are paying him a million a day in royalties already, and only thre Lib/Nats will be sympathetic to his projects in the Galilee Basin.

    But as to many other problems, wages, homelessness, elder abuse by relatives and nursing homes, youth unemployment, all those structural problems including a mismatch in education and future jobs are not going to be fixed by one,two or three Labour terms in government if the opposition does not come to the party, and if the divide between the boomers and the younger group shut out of the housing and secure job market is not addressed by the wider community. An 'I'm alright Jack, ………you' is not going to cut it.
    And then there's climate change, a game changer in its own right, and man in general will have to pay the ante.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    I had a thought yesterday that the whole Clive Palmer thing could almost be a deliberate back handed strategy to get the Libs over the line, and if successful the price the Libs will have to pay Clive will be costly.
    Palmer is a strategy to help spoil the senate in a Labor government. That's why the Coalition want him there.

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    Seems the NSW libs are telling their voters to ignore the 'official' how to vote card, and put Molan ahead of the Davies, the Nat senate candidate. Barnaby is not pleased……...
    Who'd a thunk it eh?

    …and Barney is rattling on about a 'Green Labour Independent Alliance' and 'the most socialist government in the world'.
    I think they are a tad concerned.
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    2GB is raising the Shorten rape allegation as a last minute spoiler.
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    and Morrison is saying 'it's not the right time for a change'……...

    There is no honour amongst thieves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    For some reason i'm thinking i'm going to really enjoy the lead up to the election..........there is so much subtle and not so subtle un relieved pressure building up in the Lib / Nat camp, environmental minister too afraid to say bo peep.......Daily Telegraph Journalist putting her foot in it....... Dutton has disappeared off the media landscape........Abbott is, as every one is saying, fighting for his political life Ha Ha Ha!!......Julia Banks splitting the Lib vote in Flinders with Hunt also a non event on the media front .....any one seen Mathias Cormann?.........and i keep hearing angry Victorian Libs on talkback radio expressing their contempt for their once but no longer favoured party. The question is where will the pressure vent?
    The pressure is getting too much...... venting a bit here, a bit there, .......how far will it go in the next two days?
    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question

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    We are in a nasty place politically, but then so is much of the western world…………………...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    2GB is raising the Shorten rape allegation as a last minute spoiler.
    So, perhaps he should have faced it in court?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    When the minister in charge of a portfolio says he's not responsible for a $422 million spending decision in his department. If he's not responsible then he's irresponsible. One would have thought Labour could have used this to more advantage during the campaign. Thinking back to the Rudd Gillard Rudd season and the Murdoch press at the time this would have bold print headlines during the election campaign if the shoe was on the left foot!

    Senators grill bureaucrats over $422m Paladin Holdings security contracts on Manus Island - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    Lest we forget:

    GMJAU - ‘Kick this mob out’: The Murdoch media and the Australian Labor Government (2007 to 2013)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    So, perhaps he should have faced it in court?
    The police investigated and found no supporting evidence, the woman in question, according to 2GB has fresh evidence and witnesses. Being of a cynical mind this close to an election I think it's an attempt at a last minute smear campaign.
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    Smear and fear (sorry, unintended slogan there) is all the conservatives have.
    They had six years to come up with a policy agenda and demonstrate how it could deliver on inequality, climate change, under employment and everything else - and they did nothing except respond to Labours policies during that time.

    The Libs should be more grateful to Labour, without them they wouldn't have known what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    The police investigated and found no supporting evidence, the woman in question, according to 2GB has fresh evidence and witnesses. Being of a cynical mind this close to an election I think it's an attempt at a last minute smear campaign.
    You lefties were so keen to cheer the Pell conviction... as was I, but now the precedent is set and it seems you guys don't like it, eh?

    Joint statement from Peter Faris QC and alleged Bill Shorten rape victim

    Tuesday, 14 May 2019

    Peter Faris QC is the former head of the National Crime Authority.
    I know him well.
    He is an eminent barrister and an expert in the criminal law.
    I have been corresponding with Kathy for some months.
    I believe her allegations against Shorten.
    This is Kathy with Peter Faris QC in Melbourne today.

    And this is their joint statement.
    Statement of Kathy Sherriff

    In 1986 I was raped by Bill Shorten.
    I was 16 years old at the time.
    At a later point the matter was reported to Victoria Police.
    In August 2014, after a long investigation, the Victorian Police told me they were not proceeding to prosecute Bill Shorten for my rape. I was devastated.
    Part of the reason the police gave me was that the Victorian OPP thought there was no reasonable prospect of conviction - because it was only my word against Bill’s. Another reason was that some of the people I said were witnesses could not be found by the police.
    The police told me that if new witnesses were located or other evidence was found, then they would look at reopening my case.
    Since then I have worked hard to find the people I knew were at the conference that weekend in August 1986 and who knew what happened to me. I looked for all the evidence I could find to support my case. For 5 years this has been my focus so that I can have justice and this matter can go to trial.
    My whole life has been impacted by the events of that weekend and until this case is dealt with by the courts, I cannot move past it.
    Today, Peter Faris QC has agreed to assist me in my pursuit of justice and we have arranged to meet with Victorian Police to present the new evidence.
    We call for my case to be reopened.
    I have done this on my own accord without the assistance of the media or the many friends and supporters who have tried to help me in the past or in recent months.
    This is my journey alone.
    I know that many people will criticise the timing of my actions - but my right to justice and the rights of rape victims everywhere, is more important than politics.
    If anyone has any questions they can contact me through face book or contact
    Mr Peter Faris QC.
    Statement of Mr Peter Faris QC.

    I am a retired Criminal Barrister and I am assisting Kathy in her endeavour to get Justice.
    In my view the Police should reopen the investigation into this matter and the Office of Public Prosecutions should prosecute Shorten.
    This is a serious complaint of rape and Kathy is entitled to her day in court as is Shorten.
    This case is similar in circumstances to the Pell case where the victim was the only eye-witness.
    As we know in that case a conviction was obtained on that evidence.
    Kathy is entitled to be heard in a criminal trial and to have a jury decide guilt or innocence.
    Peter Faris QC
    ENDS
    And this is a photo taken around the time of Shorten's alleged offending.
    The alleged offender Bill Shorten is the young man with the clenched fist raised in the centre of the photo.




    And this is my take on the implications of the guilty verdict against Cardinal George Pell - a jury verdict delivered after only one witness, the complainant, gave evidence against the Cardinal.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    ^ If you use the tip of your finger you can get more muck out of the corners at the bottom of the bucket.
    (imagine of wing nuts debated policy?)

    Here's a take on the conflict of interest problem ahead of the coalition - if they win. Re: Palmer.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...d-consequences
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    https://twitter.com/theweeklytv/stat...499355648?s=12
    bit of a laugh for your Thursday afternoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    ^ If you use the tip of your finger you can get more muck out of the corners at the bottom of the bucket.
    (imagine of wing nuts debated policy?)

    Here's a take on the conflict of interest problem ahead of the coalition - if they win. Re: Palmer.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...d-consequences
    Is your position that those accused of rape, like Pell was, shouldn't face the court?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    RIP Bob Hawke
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    I've been to some pretty hilarious election night do's, a memorable one at Frank Crean's the night Gough won.
    But the best ones were with a small group of very hard celebrators from the old Country Party youth wing when I was living at Falls Creek. Didn't matter who you voted for there, they always won, and everybody came to the party.

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    Why?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    RIP Bob Hawke
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    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question

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    Bugger! I bet he'd be pi55ed about that. Missed it by that much……
    And he was being quoted and held as an example on the Drum tonight too….

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    To do something good
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Bugger! I bet he'd be pi55ed about that. Missed it by that much……
    And he was being quoted and held as an example on the Drum tonight too….
    It was the first thing I saw when I looked at my iPad last night. I was a bit shocked but he had a pretty good run.
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    My estimation is that the coalition could still pull it off.

    Such is life, the HC did the voters no favours when the rejected Truth in Political Advertising. But of course the the HC are all lawyers who in an earlier life accepted money to prorouge what principles they had.

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    The election will be decided by the Clive Palmer vote......... a deliberate strategy by big $$$$ to buy an election, .............off and away goes the Galilee Basin! A new low in Australian politics.....and Clive's stronghold in the mining arena is consolidated. Democracy at work for the average Australian!
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    Quote Originally Posted by purri View Post
    Why?
    Wazzup, just because he wasn't captured by the AI, eh?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Labor will win the Lower House by a comfortable margin. The Senate is more problematic but I'm hopeful the Greens will pick up a seat or two there.

    Anyway, as they say in other banana republics, vote wisely and vote often!

    Good luck to those who actually care about this planet.

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    I met him twice over a few hours on 2 occasions. Wan't impressed then though he did move the political landscape a bit. Rated 7/10
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    I reckon the majors must be wetting themselves over how the early votes are trending.
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    It's funny to see the ABC bashing Abbott over his tribute to the late, great Bob Hawke, in which he said he had a Labor heart but a Liberal head. He's right with that, btw... the economic reforms he did, including introducing privatisation of government trading entities, were and are hated by the rusted-on Labor supporters. The ABC totally ignored the appalling narcissism in Keating's "tribute" - which, in the first half at least is more about Keating than Hawke. He did condescend to using the word "we" a few times.

    Instead of those... let's include one from another Hawke MP... this one being a local here:

    Almost everyone has a Bob Hawke story and I have never forgotten this one. In Melbourne some years ago Bob was a special guest with us hosting a group of yanks at the AFL during a convention. At the end of the game as people were streaming out of the MCG our international guests and VIP’s headed to the buses back to our hotels. A queue formed and as Hawke and a few of us approached he took a look and said ‘bugger this’. He turned and walked up to a random car in front of the buses. A pretty typical Melbourne car at the footy, a Holden Commodore, complete with hanging fuzzy dice set, a few big blokes in it and something with good bass pumping out of an open window. He barrelled on up, stuck his head in and said ‘oi, can I grab a lift ?’ One of the blokes stuck his head out and squinted at him concentrated a bit and said ‘you’re Bob Hawke’. The door flung open and in went Bob Hawke former Prime Minister and the random car screeched off. The yanks were stunned. And that my friends is Australia. There is no country in the world where a former leader could do something like that. And it’s why people loved Bob Hawke. He was like a living embodiment of our national spirit. Optimistic, irreverent, a cracking wit and a larrikin with no airs or graces. Vale Bob Hawke, an Aussie bloody legend!
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    I reckon the majors must be wetting themselves over how the early votes are trending.
    You know something we don't? Out with it... how are they trending?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Quote Originally Posted by purri View Post
    I met him twice over a few hours on 2 occasions. Wan't impressed then though he did move the political landscape a bit. Rated 7/10
    How very Keatingesque of you. It's all about you.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Of course it's never about you.

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