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    Default The US coronavirus response will be a shambles

    It will be quite bad.

    Reasons:

    - the US administration is spreading fake news, from "it's just like the flu" to "there is a vaccine around the corner" to "it is all hysteria to crash the markets and hurt Trump."

    - because of this all the time bought by China's extraordinary measures was wasted in the US. The CDC still can't test large numbers of samples, which is the reason it took 4 days to test the person from California, and why certainly there are more cases out there that weren't tested because the CDC protocol didn't allow it. Local health departments and hospitals are unprepared. The public is utterly unprepared.

    - more ominously, the minions are buying it. We can see it here in the Bilge, in other forums, and in Fox News. I checked the Fox News webpage as part of my research. They are playing the political angle and heaping on the happy talk. Their "US News" headlines are not about the first case of community spread in the US, but about some prison breakout in Utah and some woman who misfired her gun in Texas.

    - as a result, Trump supporters will bear the brunt of the damage. They are the ones most likely to conclude the markets are panicking for no reason, and to hold on to their stocks or "buy the dip". They are the ones who will take the longest to adopt protective measures. They are the ones who will take longer to comply with emergency measures when authorities start calling out for them, due to mistrust and cognitive dissonance (but just yesterday I read on Fox it's just a flu!). They are the ones who will be last to cancel rallies and avoid crowds and travel.

    - but of course everyone else will pay the price too, as slowing down the spread becomes more difficult because people believed Trump's bullshyte.

    Everyone was surprised to see what a shambles the Japanese response was. With a whole extra month to prepare, the US is about to best them in incompetence. Watch for panic, chaos, and bitter recriminations as it develops.

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    Default Re: The US coronavirus response will be a shambles

    You miss a couple parts of the issue.

    The CDC test kits were defective. Which is why tests are currently limited. Things like that happen. But it appears the CDC has corrected the problem and more people can be tested.

    The California person was not tested because he did not meet the contact criteria for testing. He had no known contacts with people who might have had the disease. Yes, the criteria was there because of a lack of test kits.

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    I don't know what protective measures you might think are necessary. The news seems to report that hand washing is the best protection. Close to "duck and cover". It may be effective, but who knows.

    A problem with the disease is that a number of people - perhaps a large number, show few symptoms. And the symptoms are common. My wife and I took a vacation in Oregon. We came back and took a vacation in Florida. I spent most of my time Florida with the typical symptoms of the disease. Then my wife came down with similar symptoms, while we took a vacation in California. Difficult to know what we spread. But it does not appear that a lot of people are dying from our behavior.

    You might notice that only 1 case in the US might be a cause to worry about the disease circulating in the US. The rest are in individuals who had contact outside of the US - direct or indirect.

    Healthcare professionals error on the side of caution. Despite their mistakes, they seem to have things under control.
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    Default Re: The US coronavirus response will be a shambles

    Healthcare professionals error on the side of caution. Despite their mistakes, they seem to have things under control.
    How would we know things are under control if there is minimal testing being done ?

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    trump has done his best to emasculate all of the govt depts, including healthcare. That said - there are a lot of career professionals doing their best to manage the damage. Most folks predicted, early on, this would become a much bigger problem - but longer-term, suspect it'll be manageable, but on-going. Acutely - not so much. And won't be surprised if the markets crash, as a result. People panic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post

    The CDC test kits were defective. Which is why tests are currently limited. Things like that happen.
    They have been defective for weeks. In the meantime, South Korea produced over 200,000 test kits.

    You might notice that only 1 case in the US might be a cause to worry about the disease circulating in the US.
    Italy also started with just one case. Last Friday. 528 now, with 14 dead.

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    Yup. Hang on to yer hat, boys - rough ride.
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    Default Re: The US coronavirus response will be a shambles

    We can hope that ALL of the Trump Tribe comes down with the C-virus and that it wipes them out.

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    I am begining to think that the highest performance a government public health policy against the C-virus is no action. Just follow preC-virus protocols. I think the 19th century quarantine reaction achieves the opposite result. Concentrates populations and then increases infected vectors which are then released improving diffusion.
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    Default Re: The US coronavirus response will be a shambles

    Oh, they will. Trump will be the last politician to cancel his rallies and admit that the experts and markets are right.

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    In times of emergency, disaster, national threats don’t you want a Federal gov’t that’s reduced enough in size to be dragged into the bathroom and drowned in the bathtub? Or at least handed over to billionaires.

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    Default Re: The US coronavirus response will be a shambles

    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    In times of emergency, disaster, national threats don’t you want a Federal gov’t that’s reduced enough in size to be dragged into the bathroom and drowned in the bathtub? Or at least handed over to billionaires.
    Yes. It is my fear of a strong national government that dictates how to grow wheat on Marxist/Socialist principals https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...russia/548786/ then has to start deciding who will be allowed to live and eat the reduced harvests based on social credit scores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Scheuer View Post
    We can hope that ALL of the Trump Tribe comes down with the C-virus and that it wipes them out.
    You people are sick. Politicizing this is despicable. Wishing this disease on people who disagree with your twisted hate filled politics is beneath contempt.
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    Default Re: The US coronavirus response will be a shambles

    The difference is - Nicholas is 'venting'; trump, and you, promote policies that are actually hurting people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landrith View Post
    Yes. It is my fear of a strong national government that dictates how to grow wheat on Marxist/Socialist principals https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...russia/548786/ then has to start deciding who will be allowed to live and eat the reduced harvests based on social credit scores.
    Wow.
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    Default Re: The US coronavirus response will be a shambles

    Given his tendencies, Trump may be considering the following options:

    - build a big, beautiful, virus proof wall and have China pay for it;

    - nuke the coronavirus before it hits US shores;

    - declare that it is fake news and have Fox make it disappear;

    - make 10 flushes mandatory for anyone with symptoms;

    - using wind turbines to give the coronavirus cancer;

    - impose 200% tariffs on all virus imports from China and Italy;

    - set all the clean coal on fire to speed up global warming and kill the virus;

    - declare the pandemic a Chinese hoax and withdraw from the WHO;

    - ask Putin for help with this one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landrith View Post
    Yes. It is my fear of a strong national government that dictates how to grow wheat on Marxist/Socialist principals https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...russia/548786/ then has to start deciding who will be allowed to live and eat the reduced harvests based on social credit scores.
    We must be vigilant or the Socialist Hordes will promote the general welfare over private enterprise that will surely raise all those with boats!

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    Never fear the orange blob has only the best folks in charge

    as an aspiring congressman, Mike Pence once claimed “smoking doesn’t kill”. As governor of the midwestern state of Indiana, he faced heavy criticism for his handling of the situation when the state experienced the worst HIV crisis in its history.It’s a track record that meant Donald Trump’s appointment of Pence on Wednesday to lead the US response to the coronavirus was met with immediate outrage from health specialists, following days of criticism about the government’s handling of a virus that has spread to almost every continent across the globe.

    Coronavirus could cause 'severe disruption' in America, CDC says




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    Those who have witnessed the vice-president make a series of what they see as ill-informed public health decisions throughout his political career say Pence is a dangerous choice, with one epidemiology professor comparing the appointment to “putting an arsonist in charge of the fire department”.
    “We have the greatest experts, really in the world, right here,” the president said at a press conference at the White House on Wednesday, as he addressed the coronavirus crisis following days of criticism about his government’s sluggish response to warnings from his own federal agency that it’s a case of when not if there is community spread in the US.
    From those experts, Trump then plucked Pence.
    “We have no higher priority than the safety, security and health of the American people,” Pence told the media.
    Experts, however, say Pence’s very appointment flies in the face of his own statement.
    “[Trump] made the choice of putting someone absolutely not up to the task to this crucial position,” Gregg Gonsalves, assistant professor of epidemiology at Yale University, wrote on Twitter.
    “It endangers us all. This isn’t a Republican or Democratic issue-we have the potential for [a coronavirus] outbreak in the US, and we needed to rise above the partisan fray.”
    Of Pence’s appointment, Gonsalves said: “It’s like putting an arsonist in charge of the fire department, a bank robber in charge of the US Mint.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...sponse-experts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonely Grandpa View Post
    Never fear the orange blob has only the best folks in charge
    But Pence is loyal, what better qualification?

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    Default Re: The US coronavirus response will be a shambles

    The Australian government has already declared it a pandemic, following advice from our health experts that is is going to happen, so try to stay ahead of the game. We'll have to see how our treating it as a pandemic compares to America treating it as just a flu works out- stay tuned. JayInOz

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    doctor pence is in charge of propaganda, Science be Damned to Hell! Thoughts and Prayers and Fallacies abound. What can possibly go wrong?

    I'm eager to see if this impacts the crowds and if the outpouring of adoration wanes at the bone spurs love fests. Being so well conditioned to react fearfully, will they head for their bunkers or will they buy into the lies they've come to expect and flock to the contagion conventions?

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    We are having difficulty finding any supplies of N95 masks, and now, even the flimsy, 'use in the office' ones handed out to pts. Our own State health dept seems unsure of how to proceed in terms of diagnostics on suspect pts. So far - none identified locally. But that will change. Might be time for a sailing adventure/work hiatus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonely Grandpa View Post
    How would we know things are under control if there is minimal testing being done ?
    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    Italy also started with just one case. Last Friday. 528 now, with 14 dead.
    Perhaps you missed the measles scare of 2019 that turned out to be nothing. Perhaps you missed the US flu deaths this year and every year.

    Your fears seem to be unrelated to the actual risk.

    I would suggest that you spend more time in hand washing and practice "duck and cover." The CDC is not going to save you.
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    still claiming it’s the flu I see. Complete with bad information and smug.

    cant wait to the ex post facto claim that you always knew it’d be worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Scheuer View Post
    We can hope that ALL of the Trump Tribe comes down with the C-virus and that it wipes them out.
    Evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    The difference is - Nicholas is 'venting'; trump, and you, promote policies that are actually hurting people.
    This is why we do not want liberals in charge of health care, it will be a weapon for revenge.

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    Sixty plus cases of pneumonia and encephalitis related to measles is "nothing". If the kid ain't cold stone dead it's "nothing". Life-long suffering is "nothing".

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    Nicholas, You should delete your post #7. It does not help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Nicholas, You should delete your post #7. It does not help.
    True. Like with the anti-vaxxers the recklessly stupid spread disease and usually kill others, not themselves.

    its too bad there isn’t a place between “its the flu” stupid and 12 monkeys doomsday prepping.

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    On the subjet of 'the flu season'. It's entirely possible that this will become another endemic flu type disease and come along on a regular basis.

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    I strongly disagree with Mr. Scheuer's post & find it offensive. Branding all people who dislike Trump the same is equally offensive (bobbys).

    The reality is Trump's statements about this whole thing are standard Trump - mostly lies & made up BS. We don't have a vaccine, it's not "just around the corner", he's done everything he can to emasculate emergency response, he put someone in charge who does not have a clue about anything medical (well - he is an expert on telling women what they can or can't do with their bodies), and finally, stole money for the "response" from the LIHEAP program - the one that keeps people from freezing to death. How'd you like to live in a house with no heat when the temp hits zero F? How'd you like to keep an infant alive in those temps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    still claiming it’s the flu I see. Complete with bad information and smug.

    cant wait to the ex post facto claim that you always knew it’d be worse
    I never said it was the flu. I said compare it to the flu. Yes, it might turn out to be worse. But even in China, it appears to be less than the flu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Nicholas, You should delete your post #7. It does not help.
    Well you have to admire his honesty, just like some here laughed when I said I have diabetes it shows peoples true hearts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    I never said it was the flu. I said compare it to the flu. Yes, it might turn out to be worse. But even in China, it appears to be less than the flu.
    Wow, some people are deliberately clueless.

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    This is getting worse all the time - now the orange shi tard is moving to censor information from federal sources such as the CDC. I wonder how many people will die because of this decision?

    The White House moved on Thursday to tighten control of coronavirus messaging by government health officials and scientists, directing them to clear all statements and public appearance with the office of Vice President Mike Pence, according to several officials familiar with the new approach.
    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/na...ef4-story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonely Grandpa View Post
    This is getting worse all the time - now the orange shi tard is moving to censor information from federal sources such as the CDC. I wonder how many people will die because of this decision?

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/na...ef4-story.html
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