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  • WX
    Uki NSW Australia
    • Feb 2002
    • 35916

    Re: Oz Politics.

    Originally posted by The Bigfella
    Perhaps a counterpoint is in order, from Jennifer Oriel:

    Jihadis couldn’t take down Jim Molan in Iraq. Indonesian militants couldn’t knock him off in Timor. But the wee men of the Australian Greens think they’re in with a chance.

    It is little wonder they labour under such delusions. The Greens’ grand strategy reads like a Miss Universe cue card: world peace, green dreaming and love sweet love. Scratch the surface and you find nothing but fatal contradictions. For each Greens policy, there is another that cancels it out. In the end, there is nothing left.

    The major contribution the Greens make to Australian life is to fragment politics by vulgarising manners and creating a culture hostile to the free world. The attack on Senator Molan is a case in point. Greens MP Adam Bandt said last week that if an inquiry into the Iraq war were held, “you would find Jim Molan would probably be up for prosecution ... for his role in the atrocities in Fallujah”. It took a threat of legal action for him to apologise. His first effort sounded so insincere he had to try again before the apology was accepted.

    The Greens often campaign against patriotism. They turn on their fellow countrymen to defend Islamist causes. Molan served as chief of operations in Iraq during the second battle for Fallujah. A few months before, Time magazine published an in-depth article on the “new jihad” in the region.

    The jihadi insurgency was led by fundamentalists keen to capitalise on regional instability. Michael Ware revealed their plan to transform Iraq into “a training ground for young jihadists who will form the next wave of recruits for al-Qa’ida and like-minded groups”. Almost all of the jihadi groups claimed inspiration from the chief of al-Qa’ida in Iraq, Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi. After he was killed by a coalition strike in 2006, Zarqawi’s men formed Islamic State.

    It would be quite reasonable to form the view that the Greens have an unproductive attachment to Islamism, especially the Sunni variety. But give them some credit for consistency. They contend the 2004 battle to stop jihadis in Iraq constitutes a war crime and they protested against Western troops trying to stop Islamic State genocide in Iraq a decade later.

    The problem isn’t that Molan went too far in Fallujah. The problem is that the West didn’t go far enough. The only solution to genocidal jihad is scorched earth.

    When the Greens aren’t backing jihad abroad, they’re waving it ashore. Their immigration plan includes empowering refugees given adverse security assessments by ASIO to challenge the findings. Last year, the government reported that 500 refugees from Iraq and Syria were denied entry after the Five Eyes intelligence alliance warned their names were on international security lists. Dozens had adverse national security assessments.

    When not defending the rights of terrorists against the welfare of free world citizens, the Greens are busy contradicting themselves. There is perhaps no more contradictory policy than pushing big immigration via porous borders while complaining about resource scarcity. If what the Greens say is true and Australia is running down its supply of natural resources, then promoting population growth by increasing the immigration intake is self-defeating.

    Then Major-General Jim Molan addresses troops.

    The Australian Greens form part of the international alliance, Global Greens. Its charter opens with the odd idea that we are “citizens of the planet” — as though the planet were a nation state. The Global Greens believe “the environment ignores borders between countries”. The environment is not a human being. It can neither ignore nor recognise nation state borders. But the Global Greens want a world without borders. At the same time, they claim to support “participatory democracy” in which “all citizens have the right to express their views”.

    A world without borders — the global government envisioned by greens parties — would destroy liberal democracy. The free world constitutes a minority of states and a relatively small percentage of the world’s population. In the global political system envisioned by greens parties, most votes would be cast by members of Islamist and communist states. Totalitarianism would spread its tentacles across the globe.

    Despite the totalitarian threat, European greens tried to introduce a system for transnational members of parliament in next year’s European elections. The vote for transnational lists was defeated 368 to 274 last week.

    In the context of a global parliament, it would make sense for politicians to appeal to Islamists and communists/socialists, given they would constitute most voters. Such a political system is not possible unless nation states cease to exist. Liberal democratic nations pose a significant problem for supranationalists because they demonstrate the nation state system can generate prosperity, security and stability for its citizens.

    Greens parties protest against national security in favour of “a comprehensive concept of global security”. The Global Greens’ world security requires “a global security system capable of the prevention, management and resolution of conflicts”. But who would direct the leviathan? The greens nominate the “United Nations as the global organisation of conflict management”.

    UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres could be amenable to the idea. As president of Socialist International, Guterres proposed a global government governed by a UN parliamentary assembly.

    The Australian Labor Party quit Socialist International for a more moderate European alliance. But greens parties have taken up the red flag to promote a global revolution that would devastate freedom and concentrate power in a world of tyranny without borders.
    Without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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    • PeterSibley
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2001
      • 70993

      Re: Oz Politics.

      One of the silliest posts you've ever made Ian!
      '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
      Grateful Dead

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      • WX
        Uki NSW Australia
        • Feb 2002
        • 35916

        Re: Oz Politics.

        Originally posted by The Bigfella
        Oh look, Gazza is recycling aluminium from other threads.
        You and Frank have similarities.
        Without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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        • PeterSibley
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2001
          • 70993

          Re: Oz Politics.

          Not a good week for the coalition to mention hypocrisy, Mr Family Values Barnaby has rather spoiled the field for them.
          '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
          Grateful Dead

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          • PeterSibley
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2001
            • 70993

            Re: Oz Politics.

            Originally posted by The Bigfella
            Noticing your lack of substance?
            ''Substance'' from Mr Just Cut and Paste from the OZ.
            '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
            Grateful Dead

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            • Hallam
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 6801

              Re: Oz Politics.

              .............meanwhile back at the ranch Barnaby disguised as a reputable family man shot his reputation to pieces. Additionally and perhaps more importantly it seems due process was not followed in the various appointments that where obtained by his partner Vikki as the affair began to impact his department........
              Now just sit back and imagine for a moment, the carry on and vitriol if this situation was a 'Labour affair' back in the Rudd / Gillard years........ I can so clearly see Abbott bellowing his spiteful tactical assault followed by a caustic salvo from Julie Bishop as reinforcement.
              Maybe this time, hopefully it's "by by Barnaby......."
              maybe the right thing to do would be for someone to do the sums on the percentage of water diverted from South Australia's share of the Murry's flow and deduct his wages by the same, or, with a heartless dose of reality, restrict the water supply to his new family home by the same percentage from that used by the average single child family.......
              Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

              If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

              "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
              Bruce Cockburn

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              • WX
                Uki NSW Australia
                • Feb 2002
                • 35916

                Re: Oz Politics.

                Nhttps:/ext time you look at the face on the $2 coin.
                /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwoya_Tjungurrayi
                Without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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                • skuthorp
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 73596

                  Re: Oz Politics.

                  Double standards seem to abound amongst our politicians doesn't it? ……….. maybe double-double?
                  Now maybe they just reflect the general population standards, if so they are lower than even as the resident cynic thought. But as a professional, as Deputy PM, as Nat leader his hypocrisy is exposed for all to see. I have great sympathy for his wife and family who have been well used as vote bait, little for his new partner. As Grannie said, you make your bed, and then you lie in it.

                  I await confirmation of similar matters mentioned by our resident rightie re Shorten..
                  Last edited by skuthorp; 02-12-2018, 05:07 AM.

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                  • PeterSibley
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 70993

                    Re: Oz Politics.

                    He would say that then wouldn't he ? Barnaby would say the same .
                    '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
                    Grateful Dead

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                    • skuthorp
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 73596

                      Re: Oz Politics.

                      2012, what was Bill doing then?

                      "The Australian workplace relations minster agrees with PM Julia Gillard, even when he doesn't know what she has said"

                      Gillard being OS and he not knowing if, or what she may have said.

                      LOL.

                      And post the Child Abuse Enquiry, taxing the churches, meaning that some sections would lose their tax free basis. Inevitably it's the Catholic Church that is the primary target.
                      It seems that despite Ruddock's sop to the churches 78% of the population would disagree. The churches may have shot their bolt and the eash up could be interesting. Any more privileges may not get through parliament. Nevertheless Shanes comments do apply.



                      And then there's 'jobs for embarrassing staffers'. Malcolm didn't know, officially anyhow. But it seems that everyone else did.
                      Last edited by skuthorp; 02-12-2018, 02:15 PM.

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                      • skuthorp
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 73596

                        Re: Oz Politics.

                        Kormann on AM….Shorten, Shorten, Shorten Interviewer several times 'answer the question" He didn't.

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                        • PeterSibley
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2001
                          • 70993

                          Re: Oz Politics.

                          All pigs to runway 4.
                          '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
                          Grateful Dead

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                          • WX
                            Uki NSW Australia
                            • Feb 2002
                            • 35916

                            Re: Oz Politics.

                            Worth a read.
                            We are not good at telling the story of Indigenous Australia, too often repeating the predictable and enticing tale of deficit and disadvantage. Hundreds of thousands of Indigenous people are living successful lives, and I am one of them, writes Stan Grant.
                            Without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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                            • skuthorp
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 73596

                              Re: Oz Politics.

                              Both worth a read. Com se com sa. But I reckon the view is changing, or just maybe becoming more polarised.

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                              • skuthorp
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 73596

                                Re: Oz Politics.

                                Now I can agree with you on that. Polarisation and politicalisation both.

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