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    Corrupt capitalism in another form, the Insurance and Banking inquiries show another face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    An illustration of the power of the mining lobby.http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-1...uests/10230432
    Yet another example of govt secrecy! Any and every government must be accountable. If Labor and independents have any integrity they will reverse this decision and the secrecy surrounding detainees on Naru and Mannis
    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question

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    I really don't like our chances of that. 20 years of anti boat people propaganda have had their effect .

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-2...aganda/4835328
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    I doubt whether Scomo can pull it off, his and the Lib's attachments to evangelism might turn off more than it attracts. It seems obvious already that he just cannot resist a bit of it himself. Rings serious alarm bells for me.

    Then there's the fuss over the Girl who wouldn't stand for the rather mawkish national anthem, of which a verse has been omitted for obvious reasons. Good on her I say.
    https://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...392cf5a2d5e5f5
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    From talking in tongues to ‘divine faith’, could Scott Morrison’s religion be a liability?

    TALKING in tongues and divine faith — inside the church where you’ll find new Prime Minister Scott Morrison on a typical Sunday.
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    news.com.auAUGUST 28, 201812:53PM

    AUSTRALIA has had some pretty religious prime ministers in the recent past, from almost-a-priest Tony Abbott to churchgoing Kevin Rudd.
    But some political operatives trying to repair the government’s deeply damaged public image after last week’s leadership chaos are quietly concerned about Scott Morrison.

    Their worry is that the Pentecostal devotee, who attends a congregation where worshippers can be so overcome they start to speak in tongues, has a brand of faith that could become unpalatable for the mainstream public.
    A senior Liberal source told news.com.au that Mr Morrison would be encouraged to downplay his deeply religious beliefs.
    It’s an approach that Geoffrey Robinson, a senior lecturer in social sciences at Deakin University, suspects the new Prime Minister will adopt.
    “If I were Morrison, I’d be careful about appearing too religious and pushing it too much,” Mr Robinson said.
    “Those ‘heart on the sleeve’ declarations of religious faith make some people a bit uncomfortable. There’s something of a suspicion about religion in politics. Seeming overtly religious can be a problem.
    “But I’m sure Morrison is fairly well aware of these kinds of considerations.”

    Liberal Party operatives will focus on making the PM into an ‘every man’ and will encourage Scott Morrison to downplay his religion. Picture: AAPSource:AAP

    Australians who haven’t attended an evangelical-type service before might be surprised at what they found.

    Horizon Church in Sydney’s Sutherland Shire is where you’ll find the Morrison family on a typical Sunday, among some 2000 other attendees.
    Some of those subscribe to a belief in “divine healing”, or the idea that prayer has the power to impact health, wealth and wellbeing.
    It’s not unusual to see worshippers speak in tongues, which is viewed as miraculous gift and a kind of direct language from God.
    “I think there’s potential for some of those elements to make people uncomfortable,” Mr Robinson said.
    “It could have an image of being weird or unusual to some people. That being said, religion in general is in a somewhat negative spotlight. The Catholic Church has lost its moral credibility with voters, for examples.”

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...aee29d58e9fd77

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    Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.



    I generally dislike Paul, whom I hold responsible for much that's repressive in Christianity, but he does bring a bit of sobriety to the wilder side of spirituality.

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    I note that the Libs have gone for a new Wentworth candidate that may be able to replace the millions that Mal used to 'donate'.

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    So where do we go after all the big players in banking, financial services, superannuation and insurance have had their reputations trashed and dodgy, if not illegal, practices exposed.
    If that network is so unreliable, or indeed criminal as to be untenable or not to be trusted where indeed does all that money go. There are billions in play, and whatever government is in power it will be a major problem how that is handled.

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    Some jail time for the chief malefactors would go a long way to increasing the public's confidence in both Government independence and possibly even the finance sector.
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    I'm not sure either party would be comfortable with rocking the boat so much. Confidence in the banks especially is a delicate thing. But if they do not then the reputation of politicians as representatives of their constituents will be further trashed, if that's possible……………….

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    I was heartened by Shortens interview on Insiders.
    He spoke only about policy, policy policy.
    It's been a while since I've heard a Lib talk about Policy. Mostly its bagging the other side or propagandizing about some success they have no control over.

    The loss of confidence must in some part be due to pollies bagging pollies - and far too often, bagging themselves. This 'small government' mantras are hitting home.
    I think they need to start talking themselves up, and telling people what it is they can do - and for some in the country; how the whole thing actually works.
    Ignorance has been an advantage for some for a while, but the long term effects will be deleterious for all.
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    Not that we needed to be told ....... https://m.qt.com.au/news/pauline-han...umans/3238920/
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    Playing to her electorate, but in the long run it will overtake them all.

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    A working democracy, an idiot representative for idiots.
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    Soon there will be no blue bottles hanging on the wall.

    An unusual selection for you Jeff! You have eclectic tastes !
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    OK I agree the libnats are a bunch of filthy scum, and can't stand scomos mad religious zeal, but could it be that the Royal commission into aged care is actually a good initiative? Or is it just to divert some attention from the Banks?

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    Nothing will divert attention from the banks !!

    A Royal Commission into Aged Care is a damn good idea, it will be worth some credit for Morrison but not enough to save the LibNats.
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    Scomo needed to own something, the Finance industry enquiry was not his idea, quite the opposite. But with the Libs in such low regard he could not afford the 4 Corners programme to be the initiator, as it has been on several occasions.
    In the larger picture of course it's another institution that has been proven to have feet of clay, if not criminal in their behaviours.
    But of course reform, effective reform, will cost more. A lot more. I guess we will see where the sympathies actually lie in the voting patterns, but like banking reform, it has to be a bi-partisan policy or it will fall again, victim to perceived electoral advantage.

    On a personal note it's a planning matter for us to consider, we are hopeful we will have the courage to truncate matters before we lose control of our own lives. We have no children to look out for us, if indeed they would have anyhow.

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    Will the real ScoMo stand up.

    'I think we both get it': Scott Morrison professes admiration for Trump


    Australian PM says he and US president both understand that some people have been left behind by globalisation


    Scott Morrison says he admires Donald Trump as a “very practical” leader “who’s not going to waste a day” in office, and has told an American newspaper he and the US president share an instinct to help those forgotten by the forces of globalisation.
    “I think we both get it,” Morrison told the New York Times, of their common understanding.
    Spruiking the kind of populist credentials that swept Trump to power, Morrison said many people in both the US and Australia feel left behind by the powerful economic forces of globalisation, which have brought massive wealth to some but left others feeling poorer and disenfranchised.
    “That’s what we get. The president gets that. I get it,” the prime minister told the Times columnist Maureen Dowd.

    He may not be as vulgar as Trump but Turnbull uses the same playbook


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    Australia escaped the worst of the vicissitudes of the global financial crisis – sparked by the collapse of Lehman Brothers almost exactly 10 years ago – that savaged America’s economy, and sent the world into the largest recession of a generation.

    But while Australia weathered the crisis better than almost any other developed economy, the US recovery has been stronger.
    In Australia, while company profits are strong – approaching record levels – wage growth has been stubbornly anaemic, and cost-of-living pressures, particularly around housing and power, have left millions feeling poorer, rather than better off.


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    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    My Mum was a vegetarian for the last 40 years of her life but the meals offered in the nursing home she was in for the last 5 years of here life were boring and supplied chicken 14 times a week. Chicken is cheap.

    Otherwise a good home, pleasant staff , comfortable, no complaints other than the food. I took Mum out to lunch often.
    There is a business opportunity for someone to supply "specialist meals" to "Inmates", if the nursing homes would allow it.
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    Wot, No COAG? The panic has set in. Stand by for Rupert to change horses, he hates being on the losing side, it means he's not a player. There already has been some criticism of the Libs in the Hun, and there are reports that Rupert says he's prepared to tolerate on term of Labour to clean out the LibNats……………………….

    The nursing home/retirement village revelations are just getting started, and the 'emergency' RC is all about an attempt to control the damage and distract from their problems with women.

    Bill, meanwhile refuses to be drawn and talks about policy………….. even the press are frustrated at that!

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    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Annabelle Crabb on why Turnbull had to go.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-2...-pass/10160764
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    The drover's dog has done some strategic planning:

    Ex-Labor leader Bill Hayden, 85, baptised into Catholic Church


    Bill Hayden and wife Dallas on their property at Bryden, yesterday. Picture: Adam Head

    Bill Hayden, at age 85, has renounced his atheism and been baptised into the Catholic Church.

    The former Labor leader and governor-general said it was witnessing so many selfless acts of compassion by Christians over his lifetime, and deep contemplation while recovering from a stroke, that prompted his decision.

    “I always regarded myself as a fellow traveller with Catholicism and declared I was a Catholic on official forms, but it wasn’t official,” Mr Hayden said. “I would go to mass every Sunday and then go to benediction when I was a teenager. I didn’t know that I wasn’t officially a Catholic, and found that out only later when my sister did the family history.


    “When you grow up with it, I don’t think it ever really leaves you. The Catholics have ceremony very much in place. But it was more than that. I could just feel in my heart that I didn’t feel fulfilled.

    “There is more to life than just me. I had to make a dedication of myself for the good of others, before God. I felt that strongly.”


    Mr Hayden being baptised by Father Peter Dillon.

    The baptismal ceremony was conducted by Father Peter Dillon at St Mary’s Catholic Church in Ipswich, Queensland, on September 9. The invitation to family and friends from Bill and Dallas Hayden said “It’s time”. A passage from the Bible was included: “Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”

    Mr Hayden’s mother was Catholic and his father trained to be a priest. He attended a Catholic primary school, and went to church regularly in his youth, but later discovered he had not been baptised. “My mother would say there is no such thing as a bad boy; she always had explanations for others and her faith has certainly had an impact on me,” Mr Hayden said.

    “So did the Ursuline nuns, who were responsible for my early education. They would tell us stories about being kind towards others, about having compassion and love for people.”

    Mr Hayden was once one of Australia’s leading atheists and humanists. He was elected to federal parliament in 1961 and was a minister in the Whitlam and Hawke governments, and served as Labor leader from 1977-83 and as governor-general from 1989-96.

    In a letter to family and friends, he explained that the Christian principles of “humanity, social commitment and service to others” aligned with his personal and political values, and guided his return to the Catholic faith.

    “Christianity represents for me the qualities I have attempted to apply in my life but from now on will strive to uphold, with faith,” he wrote.
    Mr Hayden described the baptism ceremony as an ethereal and uplifting experience.

    “I think some people might even sneer at me, but that is life,” he said yesterday. “I decided I needed it. I’m pleased I did it and know that I did the right thing.”
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    Good luck to him!
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    People should be able to access these benefits [Social Welfare] as a matter of right, with no more loss of their own standards of self-respect than would be involved in collecting from an insurance company the proceeds of an endowment policy on which they have been paying premiums for years."
    Robert Menzies - Liberal Party (Conservative) Prime Minister of Australia.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    The drover's dog has done some strategic planning:

    Ex-Labor leader Bill Hayden, 85, baptised into Catholic Church


    Bill Hayden and wife Dallas on their property at Bryden, yesterday. Picture: Adam Head

    Bill Hayden, at age 85, has renounced his atheism and been baptised into the Catholic Church.

    The former Labor leader and governor-general said it was witnessing so many selfless acts of compassion by Christians over his lifetime, and deep contemplation while recovering from a stroke, that prompted his decision.

    “I always regarded myself as a fellow traveller with Catholicism and declared I was a Catholic on official forms, but it wasn’t official,” Mr Hayden said. “I would go to mass every Sunday and then go to benediction when I was a teenager. I didn’t know that I wasn’t officially a Catholic, and found that out only later when my sister did the family history.
    “When you grow up with it, I don’t think it ever really leaves you. The Catholics have ceremony very much in place. But it was more than that. I could just feel in my heart that I didn’t feel fulfilled.

    “There is more to life than just me. I had to make a dedication of myself for the good of others, before God. I felt that strongly.”


    Mr Hayden being baptised by Father Peter Dillon.

    The baptismal ceremony was conducted by Father Peter Dillon at St Mary’s Catholic Church in Ipswich, Queensland, on September 9. The invitation to family and friends from Bill and Dallas Hayden said “It’s time”. A passage from the Bible was included: “Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”

    Mr Hayden’s mother was Catholic and his father trained to be a priest. He attended a Catholic primary school, and went to church regularly in his youth, but later discovered he had not been baptised. “My mother would say there is no such thing as a bad boy; she always had explanations for others and her faith has certainly had an impact on me,” Mr Hayden said.

    “So did the Ursuline nuns, who were responsible for my early education. They would tell us stories about being kind towards others, about having compassion and love for people.”

    Mr Hayden was once one of Australia’s leading atheists and humanists. He was elected to federal parliament in 1961 and was a minister in the Whitlam and Hawke governments, and served as Labor leader from 1977-83 and as governor-general from 1989-96.

    In a letter to family and friends, he explained that the Christian principles of “humanity, social commitment and service to others” aligned with his personal and political values, and guided his return to the Catholic faith.

    “Christianity represents for me the qualities I have attempted to apply in my life but from now on will strive to uphold, with faith,” he wrote.
    Mr Hayden described the baptism ceremony as an ethereal and uplifting experience.

    “I think some people might even sneer at me, but that is life,” he said yesterday. “I decided I needed it. I’m pleased I did it and know that I did the right thing.”
    Last minute insurance.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    People should be able to access these benefits [Social Welfare] as a matter of right, with no more loss of their own standards of self-respect than would be involved in collecting from an insurance company the proceeds of an endowment policy on which they have been paying premiums for years."
    Robert Menzies - Liberal Party (Conservative) Prime Minister of Australia.
    Exactly - like insurance. Not like it's a permanent entitlement. We've got a nation of bludgers who believe the government should be giving them money. The top 20% of income tax payers almost entirely support the bottom 60%.... who get more from government than they pay in. Takers = bludgers.
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    Don't be so nasty about overpaid CEOs and management Ian, yes they are takers.
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    Especially the ones who charge dead men and women life insurance premiums……………
    And the ones who take food out of the mouths of dementia sufferers whilst drugging them to death……….
    And the ones who redirect investors cash into destinations that pay them a kickback…….
    And the ones who pocket their employees super entitlements and then go bankrupt, in a phoenix way, and continue their larceny…….
    I could go on………….

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