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    My kids love bubbles. They float around magically and then burst - poof completely disappear.
    I remember the disappointment I felt as a kid not being able to grab the bubble, how it would just vanish taking all the excitement with it.

    Be great to see house prices come down, but lordy, hopefully not crash. Imagine the economy in the s#it while prices for everything stay as they are.
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    Exactly, my kids are looking at a life of mortgage slavery at current prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Oh goodie, that sounds reassuring !
    Yeah, well I reckon we have been just muddling through for a while now. I have no confidence that our politicians have got their heads around any of it but ya gotta work with what ya got, and what we got is mostly 3rd rate, or racists..
    We have missed out on quite a few reasonable PM's recently, instead we got Howard, (his treasurer was better) Rudd the micro-manager, Gillard who did well despite sniping from everyone, Abbott who spent a lifetime getting to be PM and then could not do the job, and now Turnbull who owing to his own weakness and a split party can't do it either.
    Bill? I don't know. It will likely depend on the makeup of the houses. Half the 'independents' at the moment are accidental, and it shows. But the ALP has it's own dfactional wars, and the fight for a ministry might be rather bloody.

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    Plibersek or Albanese and I'd vote for Labour again.
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    If the Chinese and US economies chuff along as per normal we should be OK, the pollies are largely economically irrelevant.( Bar a dramatic housing price crash, that would be welcomed by the young but generally it could be a disaster ).
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    Plibersek for me, Albo is ok for the NSW right, but Tania has a better intellect.

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    Plibersek has the same problem Gillard had, the lack of external genitalia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Plibersek has the same problem Gillard had, the lack of external genitalia.
    I would vote for her .
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    If you are the smartest person in the room, you are in the wrong room.

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    So it seems employers want to freeze wages and hate the power their employees have to negotiate.
    Who would have thunk it?

    More than half of major employers would like to freeze employees’ wages or offer below-inflation pay rises that are a cut in real terms, according to a new survey by a leading industrial relations law firm.
    The Herbert Smith Freehills bargaining survey found that 60% of employers want to grant workers only nominal wage increases or to freeze wages, and many more are looking to cut other conditions from workplace agreements.
    What a conundrum, the economy needs unions to force better conditions and pay (in a time of high productivity, record profits and stagnant wages growth) but the politico's in power can't move their ideological a$$es.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-in-real-terms

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    Wet Feet - I read that earlier - no punches held.
    The person who draws those cartoons has taken the gloves off since they moved down to Tassie.
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    Trickle down wages ......way down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Wet Feet - I read that earlier - no punches held.
    The person who draws those cartoons has taken the gloves off since they moved down to Tassie.
    He`s doing a good job too , gypsie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wet Feet View Post
    I would vote for her .
    As would I, Gillard again too.
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    I worship at the furry feet of First Dog !!!!!
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    In a Balmain basket weaving des res and a husband (Coutts-Trotter) with FLAGRANT FORM!!!
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    Plibersek has the same problem Gillard had, the lack of external genitalia.
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    Saturday Paper has done quite a job on Dutton and the quasi fascists of the fringe elements of the Libs Lunar Right. Subject is selective immigration from SA.
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    Yes, I read that , the White Man's government.
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    White South African farmers don't need Australia's help, UNHCR says

    By political reporter Jane Norman
    Posted about 3 hours ago
    PHOTO: Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton asked his department to look at ways to help the farmers.(ABC News: Adam Kennedy)
    RELATED STORY: Protesters clash outside Julie Bishop's office over treatment of white South African farmers
    RELATED STORY: White South African farmers say they're living in fear, but they're not the only victims
    RELATED STORY: Australia has told South Africa it is concerned about violence there

    The United Nations has urged Australia to resettle the refugees who have been languishing on Manus Island and Nauru for the past five years, rather than focusing on the plight of persecuted white South African farmers.
    Key points:

    • UNHCR in Canberra says it is yet to receive any queries from white South African farmers seeking protection in Australia
    • Spokesperson said those transferred to offshore processing centres in PNG and Nauru should be first priority
    • Government has told refugees in those centres they will never be resettled in Australia



    As pressure mounts within the Coalition to help resettle the farmers, the UNHCR has cast doubt on whether South African farmers can be classified as refugees and granted protection under Australia's humanitarian program.
    "The UNHCR Regional Representation in Canberra has not received any queries from South African farmers seeking protection from Australia," said UNHCR spokesperson Catherine Stubberfield.
    "Under the 1951 Refugee Convention, a person must be outside their country of origin in order to claim asylum."
    In contrast, she said the hundreds of refugees on Manus Island and Nauru have sought protection "directly from Australia" and deserve the Government's attention.
    "Those who have been forcibly transferred to Papua New Guinea and Nauru under the 'offshore processing' arrangement should be Australia's first priority after almost five years," she said.

    But the Government has told the refugees they will never be resettled in Australia and can either return to their home country, continue living in PNG and Nauru or move to Cambodia.
    Government says it has received 'number of applications from South Africans'

    Earlier this year, Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton asked his department to look at ways of resettling white South African farmers arguing they deserved special attention from a "civilised country".
    Under Australia's humanitarian program, anyone seeking asylum can apply for a refugee visa or, in a small number of cases, a special humanitarian visa.
    The UNHCR plays a crucial role in the process as the agency identifies the vast majority of people in need of protection and refers them to Australia for resettlement.
    Fact check: White farmers


    An examination of former prime minister Tony Abbott's claim that 400 white farmers were murdered in South Africa last year.

    Since the issue of persecuted white farmers hit the headlines in Australia, the Federal Government said it had received a "number of applications from South Africans", although it is unclear whether they have applied for protection.
    The Government has so far ruled out a special visa category for the white South Africans and has been at pains to point out that Australia's immigration program does not discriminate.
    But it is still under pressure from a group of conservatives to help the farmers, with some even suggesting a one-off intake similar to Australia's response to the Syrian crisis.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-1...n-says/9663696

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    Abbott / Dutton and the Monash conspirators are so desperate for support that they plan a targeted immigration policy.....
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    Import Trump voters ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Import Trump voters ?
    ........ there's a spare Live Sheep export vessel that could be re purposed for the job??
    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question

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    Ouch !! We should ask First Dog on the Moon for a solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Wet Feet - I read that earlier - no punches held.
    The person who draws those cartoons has taken the gloves off since they moved down to Tassie.
    Wow!
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Four corners anyone?

    Chilling stuff, you can bet that Tony's faction are all over it.

    Bu**er facts, use the emotion.

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    No, I've heard a LOT about the process so far and yes the Libs would love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Four corners anyone?

    Chilling stuff, you can bet that Tony's faction are all over it.

    Bu**er facts, use the emotion.
    Democracy is dead.
    Long live the ( new ) Democracy.

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    Not quite yet though the cunning so desire.
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    Michael Keating.
    This blokes podcast re Australian taxation and the 30 year forecast is worth listening to.

    https://theconversation.com/politics...ir-share-94503

    "Australia’s most senior bureaucrat during the period of its biggest economic reforms, has warned against cutting taxes if Australia is to avoid harsh austerity measures such as those forced on Greece and other debt-laden economies. Australia was among the lowest taxed of all OECD countries, and could not afford to go lower.

    He dismissed Treasury's growth forecasts for its company tax cut as "infinitesimally small" amounting to "margin of error stuff" that few economic modellers would take seriously over 20-and 30-year time spans."

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...16-p4z9y9.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wet Feet View Post
    He`s doing a good job too , gypsie.
    Yes! I agree.
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    So it appears the trick to living on the dole is to save money my doing without, or in some cases doing it yourself.

    “Talking through the kinds of things they went without, or how they had managed with a toothache, trying to knock teeth out with screwdrivers.
    Bloody dole bludgers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    So it appears the trick to living on the dole is to save money my doing without, or in some cases doing it yourself.



    Bloody dole bludgers!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...research-shows
    Neo-liberals are always talking ‘reform’ yet mostly the policies that they are talking about are not consistent with what I would call improvement.


    Undermining worker prosperity and increasing precariousness of their working lives is not an improvement.

    Causing families with dependent children to go without necessary items that a civilised society would define as being requisite for social inclusion and a minimum standard of living is not an improvement.


    Devastating regional areas that are already under severe stress from declining labour demand and rising unemployment is not an improvement.


    Not disciplining a housing price bubble, which erodes housing affordability and forces more disadvantaged people in the social housing, and then, undermining the real income of those who do rent social housing, is not an improvement.


    Targeting “the sick, the disabled and the unemployed” with pernicious spending cuts is not an improvement.


    Neo-liberal governments always try to hide their tracks. For example, in Australia, an essential table in the ‘Budget Papers’, which analysed the distribution impacts of the proposed fiscal policy strategy of the Commonwealth government, was purged two years ago so that none of us could easily appreciate what the austerity program was going to do to disadvantaged people.

    Subsequent private analysis showed exactly why the government purged the analysis – their proposed policy changes would have devastated the most disadvantaged Australians.
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    AKA Lebensraum for the effluent and healthy. Tell me about remote community health care and plans for the "concentration" camps. Neo liberal fascists all since the gubbah buros reinvented it as "scales of economy" during the Keating regime and resurfaced under LJH's regime.
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    Doctor Rat is convinced that all of the experiments and vivsection taking place in his lab is for the good of mankind and that all of the rats should be grateful for their chance to contribute.

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    Coalition told 'sandwich and milkshake' tax cut won't fix cost of living

    Australian Council of Social Service ( Acoss ) calls for increase in income support and investment in social housing before budget.

    The Turnbull government has suggested it will include income tax cuts in the May budget in addition to pushing to reduce the company tax rate to 25%, despite growing opposition in the Senate.

    The Acoss chief executive, Cassandra Goldie, said that pursuing personal and corporate tax cuts was “a big mistake ... when we’re facing major funding shortfalls in areas such as the NDIS, health, needs-based schools funding and action to reduce poverty”.

    Goldie said it would be “unconscionable” to cut taxes while slashing services, warning the government not to repeat the mistake of “handing out unfunded tax cuts in the run-up to elections” as occurred from 2003 to 2011.

    “Income tax is not the main pressure on household budgets.”

    Goldie said the biggest hit to family budgets was out-of-pocket costs for essential services, with healthcare costs up 40% from 2011 to 2017, childcare up 57%, schools by 37% and dental care by 14%, all exceeding the inflation rate of 11%.

    “A ‘sandwich and milkshake’ tax cut isn’t the answer to these pressures on household budgets,” she said.

    Goldie was referring to a gaffe by the Howard-era minister Amanda Vanstone, who said a $5 tax cut would buy “a sandwich and a milkshake if you are lucky”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/13/coalition-told-sandwich-and-milkshake-tax-cut-wont-fix-cost-of-living


    Neo- fascist " business as usual ".
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