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    I wonder if they'll do a Sinclair on him?
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    Barnaby Joyce’s National Party reportedly discussing how it can get him to resign

    SPECULATION mounts Barnaby Joyce will quit as Deputy PM after reports his party is mulling giving him a “tap on the shoulder”.
    http://www.news.com.au/national/barn...ef9ce0aa3625d0





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    POLITICAL pressure is building to remove Barnaby Joyce as Deputy Prime Minister after reports his own party is discussing how they could get him to formally resign.
    Mr Joyce has been at the centre of scandal for the past week after his affair with former media adviser Vikki Campion and marriage breakdown landed him in the public spotlight.
    National Party MPs are now holding discussions on how to get their leader to resign and plan to “formally tap” him on the shoulder, according to ABC reports.
    Senior Nationals have been approached to form part of a delegation to ask him to step down, the ABC claims.
    Meanwhile, Veterans’ Affairs Minister Michael McCormack has been named as the “overwhelming favourite” to replace Mr Joyce, according to the Herald Sun.
    It’s believed National MPs are calling for an orderly transition to a new leader and sources close to Mr McCormack told the paper that he would only accept the job if Mr Joyce resigned.

    This photo, published by the Daily Telegraph, shows Mr Joyce sneaking a peek at then-media adviser Vikki Campion at a farm summit in Sydney in November 2016.Source:Supplied

    It comes amid fears Mr Joyce was losing his support base in Queensland over the scandal.
    Former Nationals leader Warren Truss said on Tuesday night Mr Joyce continuing as leader of the Nationals was “a matter for his parliamentary colleagues”.
    While Mr Truss believes Mr Joyce had “enormous capabilities”, he said the situation needed to be resolved “constructively and quickly so that the business of government can proceed”.



    The Deputy Prime Minister has not yet been visited by any delegation but a number of government sources are predicting he will have to resign.
    Once admired for his authenticity and credibility, many in the National Party feel that reputation, which earned him so many votes, is now in tatters.
    Nine’s political editor Chris Uhlmann said despite the National Party rarely getting rid of its leaders, he “wouldn’t be surprised if he was gone by the end of the week”.
    “His future is now in the hands of the 21 very nervous National Party members,” the political editor said.
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    In yesterday's paper


    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question

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    Yes, I'll bet he's sorry, Big Time.
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    ..........ignoring the political dimension of this situation for a moment, I have to say I feel sorry for all involved. It's a family tragedy unfolding in the public domain for all to see.
    I also know the political dimension and consequences can not be ignored. Wow, talk about actions having consequences! This is a bomb within the conservative political arena and may be the beginning of the sinking of their political ship for the coming election. It's certainly a major de stabiliser. Efforts to minimize the fallout wont wash with the everyday punter in the street who is their " target market". They will only be more cynical as this will not sit in any way comfortably with their vision of good leadership. How can Barnaby now be acting Prime Minister with any credibility in their eyes?
    When I was a youth worker I was always working at culturally relevant ways of demonstrating to the young people i worked with that their actions and choices had natural and logical consequences that can not be avoided in the long run.
    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    ..........ignoring the political dimension of this situation for a moment, I have to say I feel sorry for all involved. It's a family tragedy unfolding in the public domain for all to see.
    I also know the political dimension and consequences can not be ignored. Wow, talk about actions having consequences! This is a bomb within the conservative political arena and may be the beginning of the sinking of their political ship for the coming election. It's certainly a major de stabiliser. Efforts to minimize the fallout wont wash with the everyday punter in the street who is their " target market". They will only be more cynical as this will not sit in any way comfortably with their vision of good leadership. How can Barnaby now be acting Prime Minister with any credibility in their eyes?
    When I was a youth worker I was always working at culturally relevant ways of demonstrating to the young people i worked with that their actions and choices had natural and logical consequences that can not be avoided in the long run.

    And this will not either :

    High-profile chief executives like Qantas chief Alan Joyce are adamant that investment decisions rest largely on the rate of a country's corporate tax. But it's hard to see how a lower tax rate is an incentive for investment when one in five of our biggest companies haven't paid any corporate tax at all in at least three years.


    Tax rates don't matter if you're not paying tax


    The overwhelming benefit of higher profits flows to shareholders. A zero corporate tax bill at Qantas has certainly seen one significant wage rise at the company — the chief executive's. The benefit to workers has been less pronounced.


    According to the Australian Services Union, representing just under half of all Qantas workers, the average pay rises for staff since the airline has returned to profitability have barely kept pace with inflation.
    Alan Joyce, on the other hand, has seen his total salary close to double from $12.9 million in 2016 to $24.6 million last year thanks to a huge jump in the value of shares provided as part of a bonus scheme.



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    It was a monumental bit of ill judgement, better that a person with such poor judgement is NOT deputy PM.
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    I wonder if we'll see a round of 'him too' revelations now as the race to the bottom continues?
    One thing for sure it won't do the reputation of politicians and politics much good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    It was a monumental bit of ill judgement, better that a person with such poor judgement is NOT deputy PM.
    A bit of rumpty pumpty doesn't qualify as "a monumental bit of ill judgement"....

    As for his relationship with his ex.... give us a break. You've got no idea how or why the relationship ended.... the rumpty pumpty probably came ('scuse that) well after the life went out of the marriage.

    If you're going to Americanise our politics, you might as well do the full indignation bit and become an evangelical minister.
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    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I wonder if we'll see a round of 'him too' revelations now as the race to the bottom continues?
    One thing for sure it won't do the reputation of politicians and politics much good.
    Only if the destructive mongrel Greens keep driving it. Ask their Senator McKim about his personal glass house... and his staffer.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Greens, Greens, Greens !! So POWERFUL they drive everything in Parliament

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Greens, Greens, Greens !! So POWERFUL they drive everything in Parliament

    Nah, they aren't smart enough to drive anything... they just wreck things
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    And, of course, Sibley is deflecting from his "monumental" failure exaggeration being called for the rubbish that it is.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    If we were to demand the sacking of every pollie that bonked someone else help the seats would be empty. I feel sorry for his wife and kids but that is not why I would be happy to see him gone.
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    It's not the matter of another man dumping his old wife who did the hard yards for the new bimbo that's the problem. Men have done that for decades, Hawke comes to mind. It's the cynical and personally advantagious hypocrisy of the man for political reasons that sticks in the craw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Nah, they aren't smart enough to drive anything... they just wreck things
    You're the one who said "drive", I was agreeing with you !
    "Only if the destructive mongrel Greens keep driving it."

    As for wrecking .....
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    Haters got to hate Peter, Ian seems somewhat frustrated with our electoral system and it's misuse by political operators, and so am I but for entirely different reasons I suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    It's not the matter of another man dumping his old wife who did the hard yards for the new bimbo that's the problem. Men have done that for decades, Hawke comes to mind. It's the cynical and personally advantagious hypocrisy of the man for political reasons that sticks in the craw.

    Barnaby Joyce actively campaigned against same sex marriage. I remember it because my partner and I were fighting for the right to marry. During that campaign he held his daughters up as a prop and defended their right to have a “secure relationship with a loving husband”. It turns out while Barnaby was defending the sanctity of marriage he was cheating on his wife with a staffer.

    Why does a man like Barnaby get to defend traditional marriage when violating his own marriage? Is it simply that straight, Christian men get to have their cake and smash my wedding cake too?Plenty of journalists were well aware that Joyce was having an affair when he was making those claims – yet declined to report it. So when does public hypocrisy cross the line? And what criteria should the press gallery use to judge when someone’s private life clearly contradicts their political positions?

    Journalists have a difficult conflict of interest. They rely upon politicians for stories and often have close relationships with them. They can be blinded by professional need.

    That’s not to say that they aren’t moral people, or that there aren’t good reasons for avoiding reporting on prurient detail. It’s just the simple truth that Canberra is a small club. Those who rely on politicians for stories are hardly in a position to render an objective judgement.Some press gallery journalists who refused to report on the contradictions in Joyce’s position represent themselves as neutral or as refusing to take a position on people’s private lives. But they are taking a position.

    When powerful people impose on the vulnerable, silence is support.

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    A week ago Newspoll had journalists standing on their heads blowing their collective socks off with a poll that had the Coalition within 4 points of catching up with Labor. Why, everyone was asking.

    And why am I writing about Barnaby Joyce yet again? Well, the answer is simple. I want to see if our library of pictures of him run out. No, the truth is that his hypocrisy now matches that of Turnbull’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    It's not the matter of another man dumping his old wife who did the hard yards for the new bimbo that's the problem. Men have done that for decades, Hawke comes to mind. It's the cynical and personally advantagious hypocrisy of the man for political reasons that sticks in the craw.
    Hang on, isn't that exactly what Hawke did?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Sibley's still not coming back to the issue. Gee, how unusual?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Yep, it's common but when the dumper just ran on ''family values' 'it needs calling out .
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Sibley's still not coming back to the issue. Gee, how unusual?
    What are you blithering about ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    It was a monumental bit of ill judgement, better that a person with such poor judgement is NOT deputy PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    What are you blithering about ?
    I think you'll find it's you doing the blithering.

    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Hang on, isn't that exactly what Hawke did?
    It's not that he bonked the staffer, it's how he went about it and his hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    It appears we have Right Wing Trumpists in Australia too ....... and of course Biggy loves em.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wet Feet View Post
    It does appear so , Mr. Sibley.
    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    It's not that he bonked the staffer, it's how he went about it and his hypocrisy.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...te-on-qa-video
    There's no hypocrisy in representing the views of his electors
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    It's the cynical and personally advantageous hypocrisy of the man for political reasons that sticks in the craw.
    It does indeed, but we unfortunately have to share the world with self serving hypocrites. We may not like it but we got to put up with it - especially while there are enough fools willing to vote him back in (just).
    Its a pity, I rarely ever agreed with the big red man, but I always thought he fought honestly for his constituency. Obviously not.
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    PM Malcolm Turnbull announces Barnaby Joyce will take leave next week, as pressure grows over his affair with a former staffer and the Senate passes a vote calling on him to resign or be sacked for breaching ministerial standards.

    Barnaby Joyce made a "shocking error of judgement" in having an affair, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    I think you'll find it's you doing the blithering.

    Strangely enough Turnbull agrees with me.
    ''Barnaby Joyce made a "shocking error of judgement" in having an affair, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says''
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Strangely enough Turnbull agrees with me.


    ''Barnaby Joyce made a "shocking error of judgement" in having an affair, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says''

    A bit of rumpty pumpty doesn't qualify as "a monumental bit of ill judgement"....
    You heard it here folks ......

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    “Today in 2018 it is not acceptable for a minister to have a sexual relationship with somebody who works for them. It is very bad workplace practice.”He said the current code of conduct “does not speak strongly enough for the values that we should all live,” and ministers must acknowledge the sacrifice that their spouses and children make for their political careers.
    “Barnaby made a shocking error of judgement in having an affair with a young woman in his office,” Mr Turnbull said.
    “I encouraged him to take that leave,”

    Malcolm is p!ssed off.
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    A motion has passed the Senate calling on Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce to resign for breaching ministerial standards.


    The Senate has added insult to injury for Barnaby Joyce, calling on the embattled deputy prime minister to quit.

    Greens leader Richard Di Natale moved a motion calling on Mr Joyce to resign for "clearly breaching the standards required of ministers" and if he does not resign, urging the National Party to sack him.

    The motion passed the Senate on Thursday with the support of Labor, the two Nick Xenophon Team senators and independent Derryn Hinch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wet Feet View Post
    Malcolm is p!ssed off.
    Is he ever! THAT'S IT NO ONE IS TO BONK ANYONE THEY WORK WITH!
    Barnaby is toast.
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    Jeezers, we moved to from Canberra to Armidale and the circus follows hot on our heels!

    First I have to have a champagne breakfast adjacent to Corman, now our local tapas restaurant is the scene of a conflict of interest, and I think I know who the pregnant woman looking so carefully at my ACT plates outside the bottle shop may have been. It's like the West Wing up here in New England.

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