Oz Politics.

[Lugs]

Nah, the Greens didn't have a chance of ruling in their own right.

Did you watch the demolition of their man on QANDA?

[Lugs]

I learned a very long time ago Ian that bothering with any post of yours is a zero sum game, and a complete waste of my time. If you have such wonderful qualifications then your political friends might like some of your advice, they seem to need it.

Well, of course you'd say that, Jeffrey. You need to bring substance to the argument... and Comrade Dan isn't going to give you that. Ask that Linfox bloke what he thinks of Dan.

[skuthorp]

That doesn't matter, Dan is a control politician and so far it has worked for him as the vote attests. Sooner or later it won't. I doubt his ego will allow him to retire.
As it happens I have had dealings with Mr Fox a long time ago and it did not put him in a very good light to be mild about it. And it had nothing to do with unions or politics whatever.

[Lugs]

That doesn't matter, Dan is a control politician and so far it has worked for him as the vote attests. Sooner or later it won't. I doubt his ego will allow him to retire.
As it happens I have had dealings with Mr Fox a long time ago and it did not put him in a very good light to be mild about it. And it had nothing to do with unions or politics whatever.

Hmm. Bignoting

[WX]

Did you watch the demolition of their man on QANDA?

He's not the first politician with the wrong opinion.

[Lugs]

He's not the first politician with the wrong opinion.

His Party's position was, 'scuse the pun, blown out of the water. It's a nonsense. Old Jeff parrots it too... and has been shown to be wrong.

Dutton, in his previous role pulled off something so fantastic that Albo has done everything in his power to follow through on it (and try and claim the glory for it). Australia now has a seat at the big table. You heard it... Australia is the USA's best ally. There's no subservience in that role. Jeffrey tries his best to to deflate that position.... I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with a letter from Puttlin.

[sandtown]

There's no subservience in that role.n.

No, then what the hell were you doing hip deep in the Big Muddy Forever Wars ??

It had to be subservience or stupidity ?? Or both ??

[WX]

The LibNats gave us Afghanistan and Iraq. Two totally pointless wars.

[skuthorp]

………and Vietnam…………….
But then Aus has only had one PM since WW2 who hasn't jumped to the American tune. Aus got an ex CIA as an ambassador, and the PM was deposed by a virtual coup.

[skuthorp]

BTW, NSW result may be a good one with the cross bench coming into play.

[Lugs]

You lot love to ignore the history as it stood, and wish to reinvent it from a different perspective, don't you?

[Hallam]

https://twitter.com/Peter_Fitz/status/1637952056635031552?s=20

The Barilaro tapes - Media Watch


...or here from 8.35 on

[skuthorp]

Ah well, whistleblowers are far more dangerous than dodgy political practices or even 'over-enthusiastic' taxation officials, military malfeasance or social services rip-offs by the department at a politicians bidding. Heavens! It might lead to politicians being forced to tell the truth in campaigns and lies no longer being free speeches per the HC decision.

BTW, there seems to have been a game of British Bulldog by coalition members at the doors of parliament with an attendant being made the one in the middle. Speaker is not pleased, but evidently a half assed 'sorry' is good enough to wipe the slate.
I haven't yet researched the vote they were trying to avoid.

[sandtown]

You lot love to ignore the history as it stood, and wish to reinvent it from a different perspective, don't you?

Are you saying that the Ozzista role in the invasions of Iraq and afghanistan did not happen ??

[Lugs]

Ah well, whistleblowers are far more dangerous than dodgy political practices or even 'over-enthusiastic' taxation officials, military malfeasance or social services rip-offs by the department at a politicians bidding. Heavens! It might lead to politicians being forced to tell the truth in campaigns and lies no longer being free speeches per the HC decision.

BTW, there seems to have been a game of British Bulldog by coalition members at the doors of parliament with an attendant being made the one in the middle. Speaker is not pleased, but evidently a half assed 'sorry' is good enough to wipe the slate.
I haven't yet researched the vote they were trying to avoid.

If the Speaker didn't play silly games and try to trap Members in the Chamber, the situation wouldn't arise. He was living up to his name. Ministers and Shadow Ministers have other work to do. The Party system makes sure that the issues being discussed in the Chamber receive appropriate attention. This, incidentally, is where the non-Party system you sometimes espouse, falls down. The Indies simply don't have the pooled resources that the Parties can bring to bear on issues.

[Lugs]

Are you saying that the Ozzista role in the invasions of Iraq and afghanistan did not happen ??

eh? Do you have comprehension problems? Is that you TylerDurden?

[sandtown]

eh? Do you have comprehension problems? Is that you TylerDurden?

Well, you might make some small effort to write clear, lucid posts . . . . not this gibberish

You lot love to ignore the history as it stood, and wish to reinvent it from a different perspective, don't you?

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Well, you might make some small effort to write clear, lucid posts . . . . not this gibberish

You lot love to ignore the history as it stood, and wish to reinvent it from a different perspective, don't you?

You are teetering on the edge of the rabbit hole to nowhere...you've been warned.

[sandtown]

You are teetering on the edge of the rabbit hole to nowhere....

I seem to have almost a gift for that . . .

[Hallam]

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[Lugs]

And now it starts... Treasurer Charming wants wages up. The unions say 7% minimum. Hmm. Inflation. Cost of living. I wonder if there's any correlation? Idiots. You reap what you sow.

[WX]

Totally agree. The LNP have really, truly, lost it!


Niki Savva in theAge.
"Federal and state Liberals had trouble confronting a simple proposition. If you are promoting a cause that neo-Nazis support, there is something profoundly wrong with your cause or the way you are prosecuting it. And if your continued advocacy gives succour to such extremists, you should not be in parliament. You can say whatever you like, wherever you like, but not from a privileged platform provided by a political party posing as fit to govern."

[Lugs]

Totally agree. The LNP have really, truly, lost it!


Niki Savva in theAge.
"Federal and state Liberals had trouble confronting a simple proposition. If you are promoting a cause that neo-Nazis support, there is something profoundly wrong with your cause or the way you are prosecuting it. And if your continued advocacy gives succour to such extremists, you should not be in parliament. You can say whatever you like, wherever you like, but not from a privileged platform provided by a political party posing as fit to govern."

Simply ridiculous comment from Savva.

Stepping beyond the issues at hand, she's effectively arguing that we shouldn't have free speech.

Taking the issues at hand, the fact that another group supports the same issue is irrelevant, unless you start to praise that group for their support of the issue.

The Liberal Party tolerates and welcomes different opinions - and tolerates members who cross the floor. The Labour Party does not tolerate anything but the Party line... members are expelled if they deviate from it. Progressive v Stalinist.

[WX]

Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from consequences.

[skuthorp]

Analysis of the NSW vote is interesting in that despite Murdoch the voters swung left, not right and that Keane, despite a campaign against him likely saved 3 RW's from defeat. I'm not surprid=sed he doesn't want the leadership though, the party may leave him behind politically and morally in the near future.
The 40+ voter is not swinging right as I previous generations.

[Lugs]

Analysis of the NSW vote is interesting in that despite Murdoch the voters swung left, not right and that Keane, despite a campaign against him likely saved 3 RW's from defeat. I'm not surprid=sed he doesn't want the leadership though, the party may leave him behind politically and morally in the near future.
The 40+ voter is not swinging right as I previous generations.

You rail against Murdoch, but ignore the insidious nature of the ABC's leftist bent. Don't think of yourself as independent. The ABC's language during the entire campaign was swayed to Labor. "Seats the Coalition will lose" etc That's not a good example perhaps, but everything was tilted towards Labor.

[Lugs]

Interesting discussion over the teppanyaki last night. About how the unions destroyed the motor industry. One of the people there worked for GM on the production line in Adelaide... early 90's and late 90's. Many of those on the line were degree holders - one medical doctor, many accountants, etc. The pay and conditions were ridiculous. He's of no doubt that the unions killed the industry in Oz. He's also worked in rail... says the same of that. Married to a nurse... says she makes crazy money, because she knows how to work the system.

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Interesting discussion over the teppanyaki last night. About how the unions destroyed the motor industry. One of the people there worked for GM on the production line in Adelaide... early 90's and late 90's. Many of those on the line were degree holders - one medical doctor, many accountants, etc. The pay and conditions were ridiculous. He's of no doubt that the unions killed the industry in Oz. He's also worked in rail... says the same of that. Married to a nurse... says she makes crazy money, because she knows how to work the system.

Putting the boot into the nurses now eh?

[Lugs]

Putting the boot into the nurses now eh?

If that's your level of comprehension, are you sure you should vote?

I was hinting that perhaps folks should be looking at takehome pay... and the loadings allow some very high earnings in the profession. However, back in the 90's the ridiculously high auto manufacturing wages had attracted many there.

[skuthorp]

The ABC is certainly not what it was, and neither is The Age, but considering the treatment of the ABC by the Coalition over the years no one should be surprised if their staff are leaning towards a nominally friendlier party.
Re nurses pay, they earn every cent, and often have to retire early for health reasons as a result of their service.

BTW, Aston doesn't look good for the Libs, consistent swing of 6% to labour so far.

Green calls it for Labour, 8.20pm.

I won't hear a bad thing about Dutton though, the ALP should encourage him to stay on.

[WX]

If that's your level of comprehension, are you sure you should vote?

I was hinting that perhaps folks should be looking at takehome pay... and the loadings allow some very high earnings in the profession. However, back in the 90's the ridiculously high auto manufacturing wages had attracted many there.

I would be looking a workloads and conditions. I know a few ex nurses who quit and found less stressful and less strenuous jobs.

[WX]

The ABC is certainly not what it was, and neither is The Age, but considering the treatment of the ABC by the Coalition over the years no one should be surprised if their staff are leaning towards a nominally friendlier party.
Re nurses pay, they earn every cent, and often have to retire early for health reasons as a result of their service.

BTW, Aston doesn't look good for the Libs, consistent swing of 6% to labour so far.

Green calls it for Labour, 8.20pm.

The Libnats have never been user friendly towards the ABC. Murdoch and Alan Jones were always their goto media.

[skuthorp]

My neighbour just rang from the UK asking what's happening. He thinks Dutton is doing a perfect job. He's one of the ALP's best assets.
(Libs have conceded).

BTW, re health workers, police, teachers etc. They cannot afford to live anywhere near to where they work. It's the Brazillia syndrome, all the workers that made the city work lived in sub-standard housing 50K from where their jobs were. And they got fed up with travelling.

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Rent prices up here are insane. $560, $650 and higher. If you're earning $850 -$1,000 a week you're not going to have much spending money.