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    Sheltering the homeless? We prefer to make bus shelter benches too narrow to sleep on.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    That's what under church halls are for .... as I remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    I feel homelessness has to be the barometer of how healthy a society is, not just how great it is.
    Australia is richer than it has ever been and yet it can't find a way to look after homeless people - many of whom are children and the mentally ill.

    And it is about political will - which means the population in general doesn't give a fig = unhealthy society.
    I agree, it wouldn't take much but that has to be preceded by a change in attitude .
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    Australia second from the top on the UN's equality Index; http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/GII
    The index measures women's access to healthcare, education and employment.

    I came across it because of this terrible story; https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...-noura-hussein
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    I don't praise Turnbull very often but for this I will. https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/video/11...l-Aviv-despite
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    Yes, maybe a bit of spine finally. Of course Mal is not stupid, he must be wondering whether the US under Trump can be relied on as much as the rest of us.

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    I'm frankly amazed !!! Spine, whodathunkit?
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    Well don't celebrate too early, Dutton's Police State is alive and well at airports. Requiring persons to show their identity documents when asked by the feds. Do you remember the Australia Card? Well in Aus, except now at airports and maybe Canberra that may be coming. At present in Aus there is no such thing as 'identity documents', and Australians are not required to carry anything, and the state police must show good cause before they can insist.
    Watch that space very carefully. Dutton will now say that no one has a reliable form of identity for his goons to peruse, ergo we need…………the Australia Card.

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    The Chip is in prototype. Woof .
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    Turnbull owns and sails a Coutaboat, so he’s got that going for him. I’ve always thought he’s ok but chose the wrong party to persue his political aspirations.
    As for Dutton, I so wish he had dual citizenship!! Anything to sideline that slimey snarky Ork!
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    The best thing I can say about Turnbull is he looks and sounds Prime Ministerial, it's the content that's missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    The best thing I can say about Turnbull is he looks and sounds Prime Ministerial, it's the content that's missing.
    He had the content for a while.
    I remember him facing down one of his own who stupidly called Climate Change a hoax and asserted the science didn't support it. Turnbull responded patiently and respectfully that the science was in and climate change is caused by humans.

    He just doesn't seem to have the vim to push an agenda. But party politics for the big parties is complicated, one must, unfortunately, listen to the troglodytes.
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    Guess how they created all those NDIS jobs?
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    We've been dealing with NDIS and they are frighteningly inept! No responses, no answers, this mob couldn't run a chook raffle.

    Unhappy .
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    He had the content for a while.
    I remember him facing down one of his own who stupidly called Climate Change a hoax and asserted the science didn't support it. Turnbull responded patiently and respectfully that the science was in and climate change is caused by humans.

    He just doesn't seem to have the vim to push an agenda. But party politics for the big parties is complicated, one must, unfortunately, listen to the troglodytes.
    If he had any courage, seeing he actually knows the gravity of the situation he would call the dinosaurs publicly and call them what they are. He's no use at all as he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    We've been dealing with NDIS and they are frighteningly inept! No responses, no answers, this mob couldn't run a chook raffle.

    Unhappy .
    Not surprising, they created the jobs by sacking a heap of experienced welfare workers and hire a stack of people with little if any experience and on lower pay.
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    I know someone in the know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    If he had any courage, seeing he actually knows the gravity of the situation he would call the dinosaurs publicly and call them what they are. He's no use at all as he is.
    Well in the position he is in, to say that he "leads" the party is a bit of a misnomer. Could he really lead? Yes but chaos would surely be the result and the Libs would be out for sure at the next election. A directive from the IPA and Malcolm toe's the "party" line while cursing under his breath. That's the way it mostly is for this Prime Minister. They are a party under severe strain from a new ideology that can no longer be described as Liberal Democracy.
    If those of a moderate persuasion start to act on policy that does not sit well with the new right ideologs, they will sink the partys chances till they get the upper hand for the next election. Do or die politics!
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    I was imagining myself in his position, knowing he knows and accepts the science. To not speak out from that position is craven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    Well in the position he is in, to say that he "leads" the party is a bit of a misnomer. Could he really lead? Yes but chaos would surely be the result and the Libs would be out for sure at the next election. A directive from the IPA and Malcolm toe's the "party" line while cursing under his breath. That's the way it mostly is for this Prime Minister. They are a party under severe strain from a new ideology that can no longer be described as Liberal Democracy.
    If those of a moderate persuasion start to act on policy that does not sit well with the new right ideologs, they will sink the partys chances till they get the upper hand for the next election. Do or die politics!
    Hallam,do you have any idea how much that sounds like Victorian Labour in Bolte's time. Factional and ideological wars were far more important than winning government. In fact government would have been an inconvenience and a distraction from their main aim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Hallam,do you have any idea how much that sounds like Victorian Labour in Bolte's time. Factional and ideological wars were far more important than winning government. In fact government would have been an inconvenience and a distraction from their main aim.
    No, not really but it doesn't surprise me one bit.
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    I reckon section 44 has a while to run. If the Anne Ali case comes on then the HC will be in the same situation as with Kanavan, examining sometimes very unclear foreign laws, many of which have been amended many times without removing previous conditions. This brings into play the timing of the renunciation which may depend on which regulation was in force where at the time.
    New candidates may have to spend thousands on foreign legal advice that the HC need not take into account anyhow.

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    It's a mess and a Referendum is the only solution and that would likely fail.
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    Bank enquiry resumes next week I think. ASIC is likely to be under the gun for negotiating 'enforcable regulations' the they and ASIC then ignored instead of prosecutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    If those of a moderate persuasion start to act on policy that does not sit well with the new right ideologs, they will sink the partys chances till they get the upper hand for the next election. Do or die politics!
    Paul Keating's assessment of Abbott - Give me the Prime Minister-ship or I'll wreck the joint.

    But didn't the monash group show just how small and unsupported they really are? Why is everyone so scared? Maybe because the media love the controversy and will drown out everything else to display it on the front page?
    Gossip = news

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    What Royal Wedding ??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Paul Keating's assessment of Abbott - Give me the Prime Minister-ship or I'll wreck the joint.

    But didn't the monash group show just how small and unsupported they really are? Why is everyone so scared? Maybe because the media love the controversy and will drown out everything else to display it on the front page?
    Gossip = news

    (Don't get me started on the bloody royal wedding!)
    the IPA have over recent years have consolidated in their delusion of owning the party and pushing their agenda. Big dollar support rather than one person one vote support.
    I think of them as the Puffer Fish of Australian Politics, thorny and toxic and disproportionally puffing up their influence.
    I sometimes visit wikipedia to remind myself who's at play here and the agenda they want to impose on the Australian people.... a few cut and pastes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instit...Public_Affairs

    1980s to 1995[edit]

    From its founding to the late 1970s, the IPA had been associated with anti-socialist Keynesian economics and protectionist industry.[12][15] The appointment of Rod Kemp (CD Kemp’s son) as executive director in 1982, along with other administrative changes that had occurred in the late 1970s and early 1980s, marked a shift to neo-liberal ideology that continues to this day.[15]
    In 1989, the IPA NSW – which had always been administratively and ideologically distinct – changed name to the Sydney Institute, and transitioned from neo-liberal think tank to discussion forum.[12][15] The IPA NSW had a budget of $120,000 in 1985, compared to the IPA Victoria’s $300,000.[12]
    Rod Kemp left his position as executive director in 1989 as he had been elected to Parliament.
    In 1991, the IPA amalgamated with the Perth-based Australian Institute of Public Policy and John Hyde moved from executive director of the Australian Institute of Public Policy to executive director of the IPA.[11][12] The AIPP had been founded by Hyde in 1983 as a neo-liberal think tank, and the merger brought its annual revenue of about $300,000 or $400,000 to the IPA. Hyde described the merger as “joining forces with old friends”.[15]
    The IPA cooperated with the Tasman Institute on Project Victoria, which provided a blueprint for the privatisation and deregulation of the Victorian economy when Jeff Kennett became premier in 1992.[16]The research was done with the assistance of Westpac staff seconded to work on the project.[15]
    Roskam era[edit]

    John Roskam replaced Mike Nahan as executive director in 2005, although he had worked at the IPA for a number of years before that.[17]
    Between 2009 and 2013, the IPA’s annual revenue doubled to $3.2 million a year, an increase attributed by Roskam to the IPA’s campaign against parts of the Racial Discrimination Act and the Gillard Government's media regulation proposals.[18]
    In 2008, former executive director of the IPA Rod Kemp was appointed chair of the IPA.[19]
    In 2013 the IPA celebrated its 70th anniversary. Notable in attendance at the celebrations were:[citation needed]



    Donors[edit]

    The IPA is funded by its membership which include both private individuals and businesses. Among these businesses are ExxonMobil,[20] Telstra, WMC Resources, BHP Billiton, Phillip Morris,[21] Murray Irrigation Limited,[22] and Visy Industries.
    IPA donors have also included Clough Engineering, Caltex, Shell, and Esso.[3] Other donors were electricity and mining companies, as well as British American Tobacco (BAT).[3]
    In 2003, the Australian Government paid $50,000 to the Institute of Public Affairs to review the accountability of NGOs.


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    Research focus[edit]

    The IPA released a list of 75 policy initiatives (later adding another 25) to "transform Australia" which encapsulates the direction of the IPA.[26][27] Since the early 1980s, the Institute has argued the case for a range of free-market and libertarian public policies, such as:[citation needed]


    The IPA has affiliations with think tanks in the U.S., Canada, UK and Asia.[citation needed] It has a close relationship with the American Enterprise Institute, an American think-tank.[citation needed]
    The IPA has made the following criticisms of proposals by the Australian government to introduce plain packaging of tobacco products:

    • Plain packaging may not affect the consumption of those products and [30]
    • Plain packaging may infringe intellectual property rights in tobacco trademarks and logos.

    The IPA adopts a position of doubt about climate change and finances several Australian climate change science doubters.[31]
    In 2008, the institute facilitated a donation of $350,000 by Dr G. Bryant Macfie, a climate change sceptic, to the University of Queensland for environmental research. The money is to fund three environmental doctoral projects, with the IPA suggesting two of the three agreed topics.[32]
    In 2014 the IPA called for the abolition of the minimum wage in Australia.[33]
    In 2010, the IPA published a compilation of essays by prominent climate change skeptics titled Climate Change: The Facts and edited by John Roskam and Alan Moran.[34] An expanded version with 22 essays was published in 2015 through Stockade Books[35] and a follow-up edited by Jennifer Marohasy was published in 2017,[36] both in Kindle format.
    In 2017, Marohasy and IPA colleague John Abbot publisher a paper on climate change in the journal GeoResJ,[37] also discussing the work on the IPA website,[38] in The Spectator Australia,[39] and in Marohasy's blog.[40] The research concludes that much of recent warming could be attributable to natural variations, and that the "world was about as warm in 1980 as it was during the Middle Ages."[38][41]This conclusion was welcomed by conservative media outlets[41][42][43] but heavily criticised by climate scientists who pointed to methodological flaws in the research and declared it unworthy of publication.[44] Gavin Schmidt, the Director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, has pointed out that some data have accidentally been shifted in time by approximately 35 years, leading to the omission of warming that has occurred since 1965.[45][46] Schmidt described the research as "worthless" and an example of "what happens when people have their conclusions fixed before they start the work."[44]
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    Abbott's speech to the IPA. https://independentaustralia.net/pol...hday-bash,5189

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post

    What a list! Free market approach to climate change - I think that's been the problem dingbats!
    And the 'LAW' of supply and demand is no longer a law. Employers finding it hard to find new workers, in-spite of the coalition whipping welfare recipients harder than ever, and wages still falling in real terms.
    So what is it now, a 'probable', or a 'this used to work like this'?

    wage price.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    What Royal Wedding ??????
    The one that will be very good for tourism………...

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    I heard on dear aunty this morning that Alex Downer had broken with tradition and come forward to be interviewed by the FBI for the investigation into Russian involvement in the USA election. This could get very interesting...... I hope it does. Maybe even the prospect of Australia presenting a slightly cooler diplomatic shoulder towards the current US admin is at hand?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-1...ection/9770018

    The breakthrough stemmed from a night of heavy drinking Mr Downer had with former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos at the Kensington Wine Rooms in London in May 2016.
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    There's something interesting going on with Downer - he put his hand up for the US ambassador but was vetoed by the American SS - Joe Hockey got the gig and Downer stayed in London.

    Downer was the one who handed the transcripts, from the tapping of the Timopr L'Este cabinet meetings, to Woodside Petroleum (who later employed him as an advisor and lobbyist.....)

    Downers granddad - who bears a strong resemblance to him - was the last premier to order a massacre of Aboriginal people in the NT. Reputed to be proud of his reputation as 'hard on blacks'.

    I really don't like Downer. He is the quintessential pampered arrogant entitled upper-class twit. Thank fahk he put on those fishnet stockings!

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    One pollie who is accurately named ..... a downer.
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    And then there were the wheat sales to Saddam against the sanctions that were never explained properly.

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