Oz Politics.

[Lugs]

More attacking the individual instead of dealing with the issue. Is that the total playbook? Can't make a point on a subject.... ATTACK.

[Hallam]

.........Ignore

[Lugs]

My understanding of Australian stalking legislation leads me to believe that as this exchange has unfolded on this forum with you a banned member rejoining the forum incognito, you have a snowballs chance in hell of pinning a stalking charge on me. For you to frame my checking your facebook feed as stalking is ridiculous, provocative and could be interpreted as passive aggressive behaviour. For you to now take this exchange in the direction you have and accuse me of stalking is a sad reflection of your state of mind. Stalking involves some overt presence of threatening behaviour and that is totally absent on my behalf. I take your question above as an implied threat. Nice work Ian!

I'm normally patient but with your prior mode of operation and now this, I cut you no slack. Get a life Ian. I have never put anyone on ignore feature but you will be the first if the direction is any further downhill. While you blabber on about people being responsible for their own lives how about being responsible for your own appalling behaviour thus far! Enough!

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[WX]

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[Hallam]

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Yes, there is a funny side to all this......... hilarious in fact!

I've had quite a few laughs since Lags showed up and things developed as they have......

First taking Lags, a forum newby on face value, with a few posts in reply to his. Then the possibility dawning that Lags is Big Fella incognito. Then a few posts down the track the urge to big note himself is too much and he drops the big connection to two former PM's and the South Gippy road trip. So me being the smart @ss that I am does a quick visit to Big Fella's Facebook page and I strike gold! Absolutely hilarious!!! Couldn't stop laughing. What luck?? I should have bought a tattslotto ticket dam it!! So I post the revelation here and his cover is blown in one easy move from a devastatingly effective slip up on his behalf. God I laughed untill my sides hurt.... Then to see the followup manoeuvring......priceless!
Next came the, in the reality of the circumstances, hilarious references to Australian stalking legislation based on the sole act of one visitation of his facebook feed! Then his trully shocking revelation that Mr Hallam's actions go against everything our government is trying to achieve in cyberspace! A master stroke of hyperbole! I started laughing again untill I nearly pissed myself! One facebook visit and I usurped the Govt's entire cyberspace policy? I never knew i had such power! Wish I had of known years ago....too funny by a mile! ........that "I" One single visit.... Here your honour, the defence submits the forensic results of Mr Hallam's internet activity for all devices in his possession for the relevant timeline as requested by the prosecution. One single visit is the established result? Any other relevant activity?.......

None Your Honour.

On the charge of stalking the defendant is found........will the chamber show respect for court proceedings as laughter is not permitted!.....
...........Will the gallery please sit down!

On the charge of stalking The Defendant is found not guilty!

[Paul Pless]

maybe the new forum admin will pardon gatenby

[Lugs]

Yes, there is a funny side to all this......... hilarious in fact!

I've had quite a few laughs since Lags showed up and things developed as they have......

First taking Lags, a forum newby on face value, with a few posts in reply to his. Then the possibility dawning that Lags is Big Fella incognito. Then a few posts down the track the urge to big note himself is too much and he drops the big connection to two former PM's and the South Gippy road trip. So me being the smart @ss that I am does a quick visit to Big Fella's Facebook page and I strike gold! Absolutely hilarious!!! Couldn't stop laughing. What luck?? I should have bought a tattslotto ticket dam it!! So I post the revelation here and his cover is blown in one easy move from a devastatingly effective slip up on his behalf. God I laughed untill my sides hurt.... Then to see the followup manoeuvring......priceless!
Next came the, in the reality of the circumstances, hilarious references to Australian stalking legislation based on the sole act of one visitation of his facebook feed! Then his trully shocking revelation that Mr Hallam's actions go against everything our government is trying to achieve in cyberspace! A master stroke of hyperbole! I started laughing again untill I nearly pissed myself! One facebook visit and I usurped the Govt's entire cyberspace policy? I never knew i had such power! Wish I had of known years ago....too funny by a mile! ........that "I" One single visit.... Here your honour, the defence submits the forensic results of Mr Hallam's internet activity for all devices in his possession for the relevant timeline as requested by the prosecution. One single visit is the established result? Any other relevant activity?.......

None Your Honour.

On the charge of stalking the defendant is found........will the chamber show respect for court proceedings as laughter is not permitted!.....
...........Will the gallery please sit down!

On the charge of stalking The Defendant is found not guilty!

Looks like I'm on Fake ignore.

Old mate here shows you just why the referendum will be lost. He can't win a single point in the referendum discussion, so it's back to Albo's playbook.

[skuthorp]

Re the temporary alcohol sales restrictions in the NT, evidently the report just handed to the Feds recommends permanent restrictions along the sam lines.

Oh yes, and the Saudis have just bought women's soccer. FIFA sold it to them.

And Dutton is meeting with the government working group on the Voice today. On zoom as he's in Sydney for the Pell circus. (It's more interesting whose NOT going)

[gypsie]

Pell.
Its just across the road from work - its packed out. They have a screen of the ceremony playing outside. So many people there to make sure the guy who facilitated the abuse of children is actually gone - I suppose.

[Hallam]

There has been a huge effort to control the narrative around Pell, to manufacture saint status in a symbiotic relationship between church and state or more precisely one side, the conservative side of the state. It has been sickening to witness from a personal perspective. Positioned strategically in the networks surrounding Pell are American individuals and well funded non Govt think tanks. The same dynamic that represents and brought Australia’s labour movement BA Santamaria and the ASIO backed anti commo hysteria are those that in many ways are the architect of “the keep Pells name and reputation intact narrative.” Very interesting to witness the 180% about face Andrew Bolt made when he first responded to Pells appalling record in Ballarat he was scathing in his criticism of Pell. Mere weeks later he was championing Pell as a crusader of the good and noble cause……..Papal Knight Rupert egged on by Mr Neo Con PNAC signatory And Pope JP2 biographer Mr George Weigel.

Im of the opinion that there has developed some unintended consequences of Pope JP 2’s endorsement of Opus Dei and his backing of conservative Catholic elements and the cat will be very difficult to get back in the bag.
They want to hang Pope Francis out to dry because he ain’t one of them.

[skuthorp]

That's why I think my theory of the accidental pope holds water.

[Hallam]

…….and as the numbers are trending, the collage of Cardinals for the next enclave will have a greater number of cardinals from former colonial territories etc who have a different perspective than the American centric world view. Me thinks the US power players are in a bit of a tizz and their vitriol is showing them up to be rather fore ant of a more suitable term, un Christian…..surprise surprise. The Conservative US church is dominated by apologists for capitalism riding shotgun on the anti abortion pony

[skuthorp]

….and as recent history tells us up to it's neck in generational paedophilia.

[skuthorp]

Robodebt.
Now we get to Porter, and having listened to a precis of the evidence, it seems the rot may not be just at the top. This makes it more likely that the politicians will get away with it, the senior public servants will retire with intact pensions and there'll be a few scapegoats from further down the tree.

[WX]

At least Porter, as much as I dislike him, has admitted some responsibility.

Pell has been lowered into a crypt, in my opinion though, nowhere now deep enough. Abbott's spiel was gag material.

[Lugs]

Ahhh, the left has settled back into it's a group of old men dogmatising on material they haven't seen the evidence for.

Any voice of reason is heckled or ignored. Shameful behaviour.

I never had much time for Pell, and I'm certainly not into any religion, but one thing I know, I wasn't on the jury, so I can't convict him.

[skuthorp]

Oh Adani, one of the biggest scams in history? $150 bill value lost. Hindenberg says, 'Sue us'.

https://thewire.in/business/with-the...-cards-at-risk

[skuthorp]

Re the LibNats and The Voice. I still maintain they are not going to support Parliament setting the parameters of the Voice after the vote because they are not in charge of parliament. They also may judge tht it's a way to rebuild their support. I would hope that people are not so shallow.

[WX]

Oh Adani, one of the biggest scams in history? $150 bill value lost. Hindenberg says, 'Sue us'.

https://thewire.in/business/with-the...-cards-at-risk

Given it was known Adani was dodgy years ago, I found it odd that the QLD'ers and the Federal government were so keen to throw money at them.

[Lugs]

Given it was known Adani was dodgy years ago, I found it odd that the QLD'ers and the Federal government were so keen to throw money at them.

It's irrelevant that the proponent may change - if Adani go under, the project assets will simply change hands. The issue is whether the project is sound and whether the market is there.

As usual, you are simply seeking bad news. Always seeking and reporting on bad news.

[Hallam]

Regarding Tony Abbot’s eulogy for Cardinal Pell,To Tony Abbott, Rhodes Scholar: I’ve done my homework Tony, I was at the launch of Pells Melbourne Response & a support person for the victims advocate employed by the Melbourne Archdiocese by Archbishop Little and fired by Pell as she was supporting the people of the Doveton Parish who’s children suffered abuse by Fr Searson who Pell maintained to the Royal Commission, he was not aware was an abuser. At that time Oell was up to his neck in the whole saga but all correspondence was signed by Dennis Heart, a consistent and deliberate strategy by Pell. Pell has consistently used the phrase “in the absence of evidence” as his defence. Under the Cannon Law Crimean Solicitations all files pertaining to clergy abuse cases were, in the mid 90’s removed from Melbourne, Ballarat, Newcastle and the other focal points of what can only be described as organised networked centres of pedofile activity. I was first hand witness to this unfolding tragedy for ordinary humble and very good people from the two years preceding Oells appointment as Bishop in Melbourne.Add to this my Uncle was on the parish council at Oakleigh where the Fosters daughters were raped as very young teenagers by a Fr O’Donnell…….. Pells verbal response to them? None of this happened unless you can prove it in court!! Painfully obvious Abbott hasn’t done his homework. Fail!

Im more than familiar with the faith paradigm Abbott and more importantly Pell in a powerful leadership position proport to emulate and act upon. Ex Prime Minister Tony Abbott AC slams critics of his hero George Pell as “the smug, venal, lazy, wayward and intellectually sloppy”. Familiar put downs that do not stand the test of even the simplest scrutiny. By measure of objective truth and the application of reason, Pell has failed on just about every measure to respond in the pattern of Jesus that is enunciated every Sunday from the pulpits of Catholic Churches around Australia. The whole Pell is a Saint saga is a sham of epic proportions and one that has its foundation in what can only be described as one of the greatest acts of deception the ordinary people of Australia have ever been subjected to via media and Political propaganda. ( Australians who are not privy to the truthful verafiable first person whiteness details of what victim/survivors have been subjected to by the Catholic Churches and in particular Cardinal Pell response to their attempts at telling the basic truth of their experience.
The coordinated vilification and misrepresentation of media who chose to tell the story as told to them by victim/ survivors has deep and powerful political connections in Australia and the USA.
On this matter I have done my homework and Abbott the Rhodes Scholar is either a wilful liar or woefully ignorant. There is simply no other way to describe his eulogy for Pell.

[skuthorp]

The origins of all this political interference goes back the the 1950's. The abuse much longer because at its bas it's about power.

[Lugs]

Regarding Tony Abbot’s eulogy for Cardinal Pell,To Tony Abbott, Rhodes Scholar: I’ve done my homework Tony, I was at the launch of Pells Melbourne Response & a support person for the victims advocate employed by the Melbourne Archdiocese by Archbishop Little and fired by Pell as she was supporting the people of the Doveton Parish who’s children suffered abuse by Fr Searson who Pell maintained to the Royal Commission, he was not aware was an abuser. At that time Oell was up to his neck in the whole saga but all correspondence was signed by Dennis Heart, a consistent and deliberate strategy by Pell. Pell has consistently used the phrase “in the absence of evidence” as his defence. Under the Cannon Law Crimean Solicitations all files pertaining to clergy abuse cases were, in the mid 90’s removed from Melbourne, Ballarat, Newcastle and the other focal points of what can only be described as organised networked centres of pedofile activity. I was first hand witness to this unfolding tragedy for ordinary humble and very good people from the two years preceding Oells appointment as Bishop in Melbourne.Add to this my Uncle was on the parish council at Oakleigh where the Fosters daughters were raped as very young teenagers by a Fr O’Donnell…….. Pells verbal response to them? None of this happened unless you can prove it in court!! Painfully obvious Abbott hasn’t done his homework. Fail!

Im more than familiar with the faith paradigm Abbott and more importantly Pell in a powerful leadership position proport to emulate and act upon. Ex Prime Minister Tony Abbott AC slams critics of his hero George Pell as “the smug, venal, lazy, wayward and intellectually sloppy”. Familiar put downs that do not stand the test of even the simplest scrutiny. By measure of objective truth and the application of reason, Pell has failed on just about every measure to respond in the pattern of Jesus that is enunciated every Sunday from the pulpits of Catholic Churches around Australia. The whole Pell is a Saint saga is a sham of epic proportions and one that has its foundation in what can only be described as one of the greatest acts of deception the ordinary people of Australia have ever been subjected to via media and Political propaganda. ( Australians who are not privy to the truthful verafiable first person whiteness details of what victim/survivors have been subjected to by the Catholic Churches and in particular Cardinal Pell response to their attempts at telling the basic truth of their experience.
The coordinated vilification and misrepresentation of media who chose to tell the story as told to them by victim/ survivors has deep and powerful political connections in Australia and the USA.
On this matter I have done my homework and Abbott the Rhodes Scholar is either a wilful liar or woefully ignorant. There is simply no other way to describe his eulogy for Pell.

Interesting material, enough so that I would say the proponents of any action against Pell or any of the pedopriests should have done some more homework in order to nail their arses to the wall. Some went to gaol, including the pedo priest who "taught" at a mate's school. As I understand it, Pell went to gaol based on the evidence of just one "he said / he said" witness. Line up a dozen witnesses, if it was what you say, and nail 'em to the wall.

[WX]

Regarding Tony Abbot’s eulogy for Cardinal Pell,To Tony Abbott, Rhodes Scholar: I’ve done my homework Tony, I was at the launch of Pells Melbourne Response & a support person for the victims advocate employed by the Melbourne Archdiocese by Archbishop Little and fired by Pell as she was supporting the people of the Doveton Parish who’s children suffered abuse by Fr Searson who Pell maintained to the Royal Commission, he was not aware was an abuser. At that time Oell was up to his neck in the whole saga but all correspondence was signed by Dennis Heart, a consistent and deliberate strategy by Pell. Pell has consistently used the phrase “in the absence of evidence” as his defence. Under the Cannon Law Crimean Solicitations all files pertaining to clergy abuse cases were, in the mid 90’s removed from Melbourne, Ballarat, Newcastle and the other focal points of what can only be described as organised networked centres of pedofile activity. I was first hand witness to this unfolding tragedy for ordinary humble and very good people from the two years preceding Oells appointment as Bishop in Melbourne.Add to this my Uncle was on the parish council at Oakleigh where the Fosters daughters were raped as very young teenagers by a Fr O’Donnell…….. Pells verbal response to them? None of this happened unless you can prove it in court!! Painfully obvious Abbott hasn’t done his homework. Fail!

Im more than familiar with the faith paradigm Abbott and more importantly Pell in a powerful leadership position proport to emulate and act upon. Ex Prime Minister Tony Abbott AC slams critics of his hero George Pell as “the smug, venal, lazy, wayward and intellectually sloppy”. Familiar put downs that do not stand the test of even the simplest scrutiny. By measure of objective truth and the application of reason, Pell has failed on just about every measure to respond in the pattern of Jesus that is enunciated every Sunday from the pulpits of Catholic Churches around Australia. The whole Pell is a Saint saga is a sham of epic proportions and one that has its foundation in what can only be described as one of the greatest acts of deception the ordinary people of Australia have ever been subjected to via media and Political propaganda. ( Australians who are not privy to the truthful verafiable first person whiteness details of what victim/survivors have been subjected to by the Catholic Churches and in particular Cardinal Pell response to their attempts at telling the basic truth of their experience.
The coordinated vilification and misrepresentation of media who chose to tell the story as told to them by victim/ survivors has deep and powerful political connections in Australia and the USA.
On this matter I have done my homework and Abbott the Rhodes Scholar is either a wilful liar or woefully ignorant. There is simply no other way to describe his eulogy for Pell.

Putting aside the alleged abuse by Pell of two choir boys, I feel he deserved jail time for his cover up and Management of paedophile priests.

[Lugs]

Putting aside the alleged abuse by Pell of two choir boys, I feel he deserved jail time for his cover up and Management of paedophile priests.

So, who deserves gaol time for their cover up and mismanagement of those abusing aboriginal children in remote communities (and the Alice)?

The more I see, the more I am convinced that the VoICE is nought but a conscience salve for those not dealing with the real issues.

By the standards you guys are applying for Pell, Albo must be in the frame here? He clearly knows it is going on. He's sitting on his hands.... and there's the same level of cover-up. Or are you guys involved in that cover-up too? You know he knows. What are you doing about it?

[WX]

Whataboutism.

[gypsie]

Interesting material, enough so that I would say the proponents of any action against Pell or any of the pedopriests should have done some more homework in order to nail their arses to the wall. Some went to gaol, including the pedo priest who "taught" at a mate's school. As I understand it, Pell went to gaol based on the evidence of just one "he said / he said" witness. Line up a dozen witnesses, if it was what you say, and nail 'em to the wall.

I wasn't in the court bug I'm pretty sure judges are not fools.
the thing to keep in mind is Pell did not get off on evidence, it was a procedural technicality.

[Lugs]

Whataboutism.

You guys are simply incapable of handling the hard questions

[Lugs]

I wasn't in the court bug I'm pretty sure judges are not fools.
the thing to keep in mind is Pell did not get off on evidence, it was a procedural technicality.

It seems it often is with our court system. Then again, mental illness is all the go now. Three cases on the news last night. Tennis player (but that was such a low grade assault that it was always going to get thrown out). Barrarillo... or whatever his name is, bloody idiot that he is, got the irrits and shoved a cameraman... who, to be fair, had been harassing him. and so on. Sorry, I was mentally ill then.... let me off please.

[WX]

You guys are simply incapable of handling the hard questions

maybe you'd like to talk about the aboriginal children raped by priests then?

[Lugs]

maybe you'd like to talk about the aboriginal children raped by priests then?

Let's limit it to this century. Got any examples? Need a hangman, I'll do the job.

Maybe you'd like to talk about the aboriginal kids in the Alice who turn up at the cop shop, asking if they can sleep there because they are too scared to go home?

[WX]

Let's limit it to this century. Got any examples? Need a hangman, I'll do the job.

Maybe you'd like to talk about the aboriginal kids in the Alice who turn up at the cop shop, asking if they can sleep there because they are too scared to go home?

They had a big meeting a little while ago in Alice. And from what I saw of the gathering there wasn't one black face there. In my opinion from observation I would say that the aboriginal community is either not being consulted, not being listened to, or both. As for limiting it to this century, well you can't, you have to look at the history. It's a bit like try to understand the cause of WW2 while ignoring everything that happened prior to September 1939.

[Lugs]

They had a big meeting a little while ago in Alice. And from what I saw of the gathering there wasn't one black face there. In my opinion from observation I would say that the aboriginal community is either not being consulted, not being listened to, or both. As for limiting it to this century, well you can't, you have to look at the history. It's a bit like try to understand the cause of WW2 while ignoring everything that happened prior to September 1939.

I saw "black faces" there - not many, but there were some. Maybe they didn't want their VoICE to be heard on the problems?

I was most disappointed with the ABC coverage of the event. They have been slammed for their coverage, including by a former ABC reporter who is now the shadow Communications Minister. She's reported the ABC to the regulator.

Of course, the left will attack the messenger(s) here, rather than taking an independent view of the issue

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...78bbd03f5bf94d

I don't listen to Peta, but she popped up in the video attached to that article that outlines the apology issued by the ABC, trying to lessen the impact of their appalling coverage. Worth viewing, as it includes the shadow Minister.

[Lugs]

An aborigine's view of the VoICE proposal

[WX]

Peta and News Corp...well there's an unbiased news source.