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    Rumours and whispers that sections of the Murdoch media are about to change tack and end anti climate change editorials. Having a bet each way maybe..........

    Is Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp Australia really shifting away from ‘climate denialism’? | News Corporation | The Guardian
    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    Hmm, watch this, and think about what scomo has signed us up for...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cR4fXcsu9w&t=278s

    and how long it would be valid.

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    Hallam: Dan? will he last?
    I note that some within Labour are calling for the sacking of Anthony Byrne ostensibly because he admitted branch stacking, but we all know the real reason.
    Personally I'd make him leader if Tania isn't interested.



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    The Murdochs are just reading their water and following the money. He/they have no conscience and no principles.
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    Mostly Dan has dome a great job in grabbing the bull by both horns as a leader. In doing so he has made himself a big target of the cynical right. In some ways timing wasn't going Dan's way with the hardline lockdown proving too much in the last phase. When Dan was on sick leave James Merlino's press conferences where noticeably different in style in that he wasn't as testy as the Andrews style of leading with his chin, ready for the next punch from hostile Murdoch journalists. As much as I admire Dan Andrews I think the party has a better chance with another leader. I don't know enough to say who the other contenders might be but Merlino would be a great choice if he has no baggage re the current branch stacking dirty laundry.
    If the Libs get in it will be land rezoning heaven for mates of mates. I wonder if they have another go at Pt Nepean National Park and the Quarantine Station or some other land grab By Richard Shelmerdine. So glad The Andrews Govt hit the Pt Nepean Land grsb on the head.
    A prior land grab from the people of Victoria:
    Shelmerdine family secure Point Nepean Quarantine Station development project | Urban.com.au
    In 2008, Richard Shelmerdine secured another piece of peninsula history, The *Sisters estate in Sorrento for around $18 million, later subdividing it for profit after applying to the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal to slice it into five pieces. It was the beach that was the site of Victoria's first European settlement in 1803, in private hands since 1890 and was previously owned by eccentric millionaire Peter Rand.
    These people are leaches.....
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    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    I have to ask, are we being sold an electoral pup? In other words lies and fraud re the climate on the part of the Coalition and the Murdoch press to win the next election upon which it will all disappear into smoke?
    Their record says that they have either had an amazing conversion, or it's all more BS and nothing will change.

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    There's so much going on politically with the momentum of the Right reactionaries that anything is possible. Wouldn't be surprised they are willing to pull a swifty to stay in office for another term of Govt so they are in office when the winds of change pick up.
    Meanwhile a team of researched including CSIRO and Uni Sydney have detected strange not seen before light/ radio waves from the centre of the galaxy. We may be on the verge of being discovered? Im starting a thread about it.
    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    We have probably reached the position of becoming dangerous and we are about to be dealt with.

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    They are all crooked……………...
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...ions/100509026

    …………because the funding system and the parties that suck on the money laundry teat are crooked by design.

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    Oxford University researchers have discovered the densest element known to scienceThe new element, Governmentium (symbol=Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called pillocks.Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact.A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to complete.Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2 to 6 years.It does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganisation in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganisation will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration.This hypothetical quantity is referred to as a critical morass.When catalysed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium (symbol=Ad), an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium, since it has half as many pillocks but twice as many morons.
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    Gladys
    If it looks like a duck………….. and scomo has his hands all over it. No wonder they don't want a NSW style ICAC for the feds!
    The pork is definitly wormy, and on both sides they are either all crooks, or they consort with crooks, or they belong to a crooked organisation.

    Of course the electoral funding system in place is crooked by design, but then it was put in place by politicians with personal gain as the goal. And goal is where they all should go.

    And now watching Craig Rucasle's documentary, nothing I didn't know of course and we all should have known it, it's plain that they are crooks, or maybe just have no princples and mora…………. What am I talking about….they're politicians or 'advisors' or party apparatchiks, or crooks, it's just a matter of semantics.

    Hey, am I the only person watching this and repeating crooks, crooks every 3 minutes?

    And for that matter will anyone, more particularly the mainstream media who are beneficiaries of the corruption, even mention it tomorrow? After all The Block was on in the same time slot……….
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    Hmm, looking at Palmers reported membership………..what say you to the possibility an ALP or Lib/Nat victory but the balance of power in Palmers hands?

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    Did I hear right? A Lib proposal to do a Shorten on capital gains tax?

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    An example of traditional Oz politics. It takes one party to implement the obvious common sense policy of the other party.
    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    Timeframe To Act? IT'S BEHIIINNNNDDD YOU!!!!

    “This is not a pantomime, we’re not grandstanding, we’re not trying to prevaricate but we are going to be diligent,” said Nationals leader and deputy PM Barnaby Joyce this week.

    One of Mr Joyce’s most endearing failings as a spin merchant is his habit of blurting out the exact thing that he’s trying craftily to convince you isn’t happening. (See, also: His remark to colleagues on Monday that “It’s not a case of holding anyone to ransom, or anything like that.”)

    Because – are you kidding? A pantomime is EXACTLY what this week’s whole climate standoff is. It’s basically a huge, blousy reworking of Cinderella with all the ham you can handle.

    The action begins with ageing child actor Scott Morrison as Cinderella, agonising over whether to go to the ball in Glasgow and put out for Boris Johnson. But what to WEAR? Everyone else will be clad in the most remarkable and costly gowns, but poor Cinders is going to have to patch something up out of the carryover credits from the Kyoto ball a quarter of a century ago. Boohoo, all is lost.

    But what’s this? In a twinkling, fairy godmothers appear to assist! The BCA endorses net zero!

    Rio Tinto – the nation’s biggest iron ore fairy - throws in $10 billion to vanish half its emissions by 2030! (This fairy is particularly good at making things disappear. Like ancient and sacred rock caves, the parliamentary report into which act of wanton destruction was handed down on Monday in what one assumes is an entirely unrelated development to the company’s frenzied piece of climate virtue-semaphoring just thirty six hours later.)

    Even the Unfairy Godmother Rupert Murdoch – who hates giving presents and has crushed the dreams of many a climate debutante – chipped in with the most extraordinary policy invisibility cloak, stitched entirely out of supportive front pages.

    Hurrah! Cinders goes to the ball after all!

    But what? OH NO!!!! It’s the wicked stepmother Barnaby Joyce and the ugly sisters – Matt Canavan and George Christensen! They want Cinders to stay home and clean coal instead.

    It’s a showdown!! National High Camp Correspondent Brett Worthington canvasses the biffo between the Coalition partners here, while regional Liberals point out crossly that the Nats aren’t the only ones in Parliament who get their RM Williamses dirty.

    (Imagine the rage when they find out that about a quarter of regional pork-barrelling dollars are spent … in cities!)

    What’s next? Buckets of Monopoly money falling from the sky? A raunchy cameo by Alexander Downer singing in praise of Fishnet Zero?

    Well, you know the main rule of panto is that there’s no such thing as overdoing it. And if you’re going to overdo it in Australian political terms, wait till Thursday night of the sitting week for maximum drama.

    And that’s exactly what happened last night. Mr Joyce made the low-key announcement that he and his mates would be meeting at 5pm to settle on a formal answer to the PM on climate. And after a long and inarticulate silence… nothing happened.

    It’s all grist to the mill. The more chaotic it all looks, the bigger a victory it will seem when it ends.

    Removing the fright wig and giant fake boobs for a moment… don’t miss this excellent piece from Ian Verrender joining up the international phenomena of energy shortages, climate policy, and economic trends. Great pre-Glasgow reading. Sorry about mentioning boobs when introducing your analysis Ian.
    From Sea To Shining Sea

    It’s been another TREMENDOUS week for parliamentary standards. Former Labor influence-mongers Eddie Obeid and Ian Macdonald were jailed yesterday for profiteering off their public positions, while the ICAC in NSW heard that recently-abdicated Liberal premier Gladys Berejiklian had seemed “particularly interested” in sorting out a comedically large grant for a shooting club in the electorate of her then secret boyfriend. Former political adviser Nigel Blunden is an unbackable favourite for Political Email Of The Year for his superb contemporaneous record of the whole, er, shooting match – make a cuppa and enjoy this, if you haven’t already.

    In Victoria, IBAC is rolling merrily along, with a Melbourne mayor confessing to the anti-corruption body that he outlaid $15,000 personally on stacking new members into the ALP’s Heidelberg branch. Mayor Rick Garotti (Oof. Bummer of a handle if you’re hoping to keep your role as a factional enforcer on the down-low, am I right?) confirmed that many of his stackees hailed from the Somali community. All very normal and fine.

    “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”, was Napoleon’s admonition to generations of short, angry men looking for craftier ways to kill each other. This week, the relentless modernisers of the Victorian Liberal Opposition awarded themselves a carve-out to this principle, which reads as follows: “But do feel free, by all means, to amuse yourself by having a lurid shouting-match about gay conversion therapy in a party Zoom that you record and then leak to The Age”. Read Richard Willingham’s account here which is worth it just in general, but especially so because of the bone-dry final line.
    Contd…….

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    Contd….
    Well y’all, that’s what happens when you have an anti-corruption commission. What happens when you don’t? Glad you asked.

    The gentleman who as federal attorney-general was formally tasked with creating a federal anti-corruption body – Christian Porter – is now spending more time with his electorate for reasons of which you are doubtless aware.

    But his invocation of a blind trust to field donations towards his personal legal expenses remains highly controversial. This week, Speaker Tony Smith expressed a view that there was a “prima facie case” for the privileges committee to examine the matter. Yeah, nah, was the formal response from the government, stamping the referral down on Wednesday in the House of Representatives .

    Yesterday, however – possibly conscious of how yucky the whole thing looked – the PM asked the privileges committee to run a “broad” inquiryabout MPs crowd-sourcing legal funds instead.

    The overall effect was strongly reminiscent of those ads for knockoff perfumes – you know “If you like Chanel No.5, you’ll LOVE ‘Camel No.6’! And so much cheaper!”


    “Money makes the world go round” observed the Nationals’ David Littleproud this week when asked what it would take for the Nats to be happy with the PM’s climate plan.

    Handily, the ABC has an entire series ready to go on the role of lucre in our democracy.

    All in all, this does seem like an absolutely brilliant time to revisit the idea of making it easier to deport immigrants on, ah, character grounds.

    Stacks Of Vax

    Huzzah! That sweet vaccine is coursing through us, big time. We’ve now hit 70 per cent nationally. As we edge closer to our reopening (you know… the one that shop-fresh NSW Premier and fertility talisman Dom Perrottet pre-announced for the PM last Friday, occasioning un petit tantette from Kirribilli) we can now get vax certificates for international travel. But do spare a thought for the highly-vaxxed citizens of the ACT, NSW and Victoria, who are a better chance of Christmas in Albany, New York than in Albany, WA.

    WA abandoned its planned reopening to Queensland late yesterday after some absolute nong decided that driving an Uber around the Gold Coast after jetting in from Melbourne would be a good idea.

    The Queensland Premier still reckons people can visit for Chrimbo but it’s come with a warning to young banana benders: GET YOUR BLOODY VACCINE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY OR THE VIRUS WILL VISIT YOU WITH THE FIRE OF MANY SUNS, which certainly makes a nice change from “THIS VACCINE MAY KILL YOU”, from one of the administration’s earlier albums.

    Other Noteworthy Things This Week While We Wait For The Nats To Emerge

    New Greens senator Dorinda Cox this week became the fifth Indigenous woman in parliament — and she wants to be a 'beacon' for others.

    Pharmacists reckon the contraceptive pill should be available over the counter. Not so fast, says the Therapeutic Goods Administration, we love to keep you ladies trudging off to the GP every few months.

    Tax commissioner Chris Jordan possibly looking at an investigation by the Senate after refusing to provide JobKeeper details.

    And… I’m only putting this at the very end because I’m really not ready for it to happen… Fran Kelly hangs up her boots after 17 years at RN Breakfast . Seventeen years of getting up at 3.30am so that she can be fully informed by the time we straggle out for a hot beverage. There’s a reason this newsletter often links simply to interviews with Fran. She breaks stories, asks good questions, is always prepared, and can turn on a dime between politics, business, sport and the arts. Values facts over ideology. Never has a tantrum, never makes the story about herself, always works hard and has a corporate memory you wish you could bottle. She’s not retiring! Just moving on from the breakfast shift. Make sure you’re following The Party Room , her weekly podcast with Patricia Karvelas – always worth a listen.

    OK, that’s about it for now. I’ll text you if the climate wars end. Don’t wait up though.

    Annabel C


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    Well I just had my suspicions confirmed by watching Q&A. People are stupid, especially social media users. Starve the beast lest it take you over.
    I can see the whole house of cards being pulled down on security grounds, if not for public health reasons leaving us all diminished by the actions of far too many disrupters. Do you know the story about the Foo-foo bird? Disappeared up it's own fundament.

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    be modest, and be proud of it.

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    We could of course also mention gas, but scummo carries enough of that around with him all the time anyhow.

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    And as for building our own subs, nuke or otherwise…..ever…………
    It seems we cannot build large vessels………… or medium vessels………. and even the small ones are well behind schedule………..
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...haul/100362244
    and.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...grow/100020268

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    It seems that Stevebaby's thread is as dead as Aussie politics itself

    But then so is the g20, captured by coal and oil, and so will be Glasgow I'd say with an unholy alliance of India, China, Russia and Australia hanging on their coat tails set to sabotage it before it starts.

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    `100 countries signed up to methane reduction………….. Scomo didn't.
    (Tail wagging the dog again)

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    Scomo's climate policy is a sick joke.
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    The electorate cannot complain, they rejected a reasonable future plan last time round, and enough of them will live long enough to see their foolisness bear rotten fruit. Of course with China/russia/and the hangers on like us refusing to act we are all stuffed anyhow, if a little sooner than before.

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    Finally!

    Alan Jones leaves Sky News after being dumped from prime time program - ABC News

    .........and is now without a media platform.
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    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    He has, it seems, an audience no advertiser wants any longer………………….

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    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

    "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
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    Did I hear right? 1.8c is now the new 1.5c!
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    Could this be the beginning of the end for Morrison? It may well be......
    Q&A last night was interesting in that condemnation of Morrison's management of the whole Sub deal, diplomacy with the French and position on Climate came in for severe criticism from the NSW treasurer. Greg Sheridan while trying his best to appear reasonable seems such a partisan hack that he barely meets the qualities needed to be called a journalist! What is even more to the point is the description and rejection of the style of political game being played by team Morrison.

    Australia labelled untrustworthy, a climate change 'pariah' after stoush with French President, COP26 - ABC News

    [ NSW Treasurer Matt Kean]
    "So I think our international reputation is damaged."
    When asked about the leaking of text messages, he was even more blunt in his criticism of his party and the nation's leader.
    "I don't think it's appropriate that we act this way if we want to build trust, particularly with our closest friends and allies, and I think this brand of politics is not in our national interest," he said.
    "[It is] a brand of politics which seeks to divide, seeks to play things out through the media, seeks to push misinformation and play games.
    "We need to be finding common ground and building trust with our allies and friends. That's the brand of politics which I think is in our national interest."
    His comments were echoed by many members of the panel who felt Mr Morrison had damaged Australia's international standing.
    Greens leader Adam Bandt took it a step further, calling for Mr Morrison to apologise to Mr Macron.


    Sort of begs the question who in Matt Kean's faction is being lined up for leadership?
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    I found it ironical that Kene was the only Liberal or National they could find who would appear on the programme. And he was so reasonable as to be on the left of Labour in some respects.

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    I've seen enough disappointment at elections that I wouldn't rule out Scomo sweet talking his way into another term...depressing as it sounds. I can't help feeling voters have become rather numb to the sheer level of corruption and mismanagement in politics. And whenever i hear Albanese i just think, who is this bloke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Shared that one.
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    Man quitting drinking - very funny!


    Something i thought inconceivable.
    The Collaery K fiasco - the government are going to submit evidence that the defense are not allowed to know about. They're not allowed to see it and clearly are incapable of interrogating or responding in any fashion.

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/...#shared-unlock
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