Oz Politics.

[skuthorp]

Realignment.
George Megalogenis reckons that a major political realignment is under way, and the last Fed election was just a foretaste of what is to come. For the first time city voters elected the government, and professional women made up a bigger proportion of the voters than male tradies. And tight results in regional cities will likely see many of them falling to independents and changing hands. Strategic voting is becoming the norm, in Victoria voters largely did not follow party instructions.

And on the LibNat Feds, if you think that Robodebt was the only bit of nastyness from them then todays Saturday Paper should provide some enlightenment. Right doaw two refusing to allow Canberra police to investigate matters concerning federal politicians, or allowing Canberra territorial government to investigate their own police.

Some of these turkeys should be in jail, but I doubt that any of them will be.

[WX]

Tasmanian forestry practices.
This massive tree after being felled was too big to put on a log truck and because it is solid all the way through could not be busted up into flitches for wood chipping, so they just left it.
massive stringybark.jpg

[skuthorp]

And there's another 'industry' that's had it's financial claws into both political parties, but in the longer run it's just another nail (trunnel?) in the climate coffin. It's up to the voters to stop t by reducing both majors to a rump, and outlawing industry funding of politics.

[WX]

Back in the comparatively civilised days of selective logging, that would have been considered a seed tree.

[skuthorp]

Semms that the only people in Aus not to get a free vote in the Voice referendum will be the Nats, and probably the Libs………………
Of course they do get to vote twice I think…………

[Hallam]

Spud head wrote a letter to Albo re the Voice, never sent it to him but sends it to the media……….

[skuthorp]

Well, it looks like he's in a dead end job after all. He doesn't want to end up like his predecessor, unemployable.

BTW, If I wan't the age I am I'd take bets we'll never see a US built nuke sub in the Aussie navy. We may see a few non-essential personnel aboard one of theirs as a sop…………
Scomo scuppered what was a pretty dodgy situation re defence procurement already. And of course smart, remote or AI controlled missiles and sleeper mineswill likely make them all obsolete.

[Hallam]

Pell is dead. Heart complications after a hip operation in Rome. Regressive culture war protagonist….. and likely guilty of much worse…..



May this be his epitaph. A follower of Jesus in the position he held in Ballarat at the time would have every reason to be ‘interested’. Having advocated for victims and attended the launch of “his” Melbourne Response, I have good reason to believe his errant ways were worse than this obvious dereliction of duty.

[WX]

A good end to a waste of oxygen.

[skuthorp]

Someone today referred to him as "a servant of the church', sounds about right. Certainly not a servant of god.

[Hallam]

Infamous for the Ellis Response: https://nswcourts.com.au/articles/th...abuse-victims/

among many other equally callous examples of hypocrisy

some would conclude I’m a nutter and I may be for other reasons but I think this tweetvive been posting could well be closer to the truth than I realise especially given BA santamaria’s legacy:

Massive support,$$$ and political advocacy for Pell came from conservative USA Catholics. Top of the list is Pope JP 2’s biographer, Neo Con George Weigel in cahoots with Howard, Abbott et at and team Murdoch. I’m inclined to think US foreign policy and influence operations

[WX]

The cleric also faced criticism as an architect of the Australian Church's first victim compensation scheme.Called The Melbourne Response, the scheme was hailed by Cardinal Pell's supporters as evidence of his keenness to address the crisis. But it capped compensation payouts, forced many survivors to waive their right to lawsuits, and was accused of generally lacking compassion.



A review of the scheme's operations between 1996 and 2014 found it spent as much money on administration as it did compensating more than 300 victims.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-64231852

[skuthorp]

Doesn't deserve more publicity. He's dead, good.

[WX]

He was persecuted, just like Jesus....excuse me while I vomit.

[Hallam]

https://johnmenadue.com/george-pells...d-out-of-time/

Pell was an ideological warrior that resisted the changes of liberal society and its tolerance for diversity and individualism.
Cardinal George Pell died as he lived, a fierce defender of the Catholic church and of conservative Catholicism. He had an agenda and knew how to achieve it. Striding from the back blocks of Ballarat to the marbled floors of the Vatican, Pell demonstrated a sure-footedness many of his episcopal brothers envied. He was a political operative of the highest order. Little wonder present and past prime ministers have lauded his career. They know a political asset when they see one.
Pell’s style of leadership was “old school” – authoritarian and uncompromising. It portrayed an absolutist and unflinching approach of the church to modern life. He was an ideological and cultural warrior within the church that resisted the changes of liberal society and its tolerance for diversity and individualism. His brand of Catholicism has proved to be unpopular and alienating to most Australians. His public persona became a lightening rod for discontent on many social issues, particularly those related to child sexual abuse. By his own design he was perceived as the head of the church in Australia and he bore the brunt of any anti-Catholic sentiment, justified or not.
But try as he might, the fortunes of the church defied his best efforts. These days most Catholics do not attend regular mass, nor do they subscribe to conventional Catholic sexual and social ethics. The public regard for and trust in the church has declined. The revelations of episcopal mismanagement of the clerical sexual abuse crisis has accelerated the church’s irrelevance in Australian society. Pell, like other bishops of his time, has had to preside over a diminished church and, in many ways, his death symbolises the demise of a church out of touch and out of time.
The future of Catholicism in Australia is and has always been bigger than Pell. Even in his latter years, Pell could not turn around the inclusive and consultative approach of Pope Francis. He tried to knock it off but to no effect. The Pope has set the church on a course of inclusive discernment and decision-making, called synodality, that would have been unheard of under a Pell administration. Now lay women and men are at the decision-making tables alongside clergy, religious leaders and bishops. Now ordinary Catholics are being consulted about the state of and future direction for their church. Now the very principles of a liberal and democratic society are being given due regard.
For Australian Catholics, their church needs to reflect the realities of their lives. It needs to mirror the diversity of lifestyles that constitute our local communities and family situations. It needs to be authentic enough to speak with integrity to the daily challenges of living decent and fulfilling lives, establishing sustainable livelihoods and building healthy and supportive communities. It needs to worry less about personal sexual ethics and busy itself more with the structural causes of injustice, poverty and exclusion. It needs to be “women friendly” and cease any covert discrimination against same-sex attracted and non-binary people. And that doesn’t come from clinging to an institution where medieval hierarchical power is exercised and male clerical dominance is perpetuated……
cont in the link

[Lugs]

What a weird thread. Does the left think, or just parrot?

Re the subs... a friend of mine, a Frenchie, now a professional gambler (online poker) is a former Naval Group employee. We have had several interesting discussions on the issue of the subs.

Just so I don't get pigeon-holed, I will give a couple of thumbs ups. First to Penny. She's doing a good job. Second... Albo - he's doing a good job too... if we ignore the idiocy of the racist Voice proposal. He's using his new PM after a long time in opposition capital well... for example, his intervention in Alice Springs. On one side we've got the out of touch mob celebrating the oldest continuous culture... and then Albo rushes in to try a stifle the publicity surrounding how that culture is panning out in the Alice.

Here's my tip. The Voice is going down.

[skuthorp]

Welcome aboard Lugs.
I am inclined to agree and it's a great shame that it's become, as usual a political football. And I do not think it is racist, that has been the situation since Banks, not Cook, declared the continent Terra Nullis. Murdoch is of course true to form, and the LibNats are not happy with Parliament deciding the actual contents because they do not control parliament. We are a tiny minded country at times.
As PM Albo had no choice but to turn up, that's his job, turning up. And of course he's dammned either way. I am still hopeful, after all europeans stole the place and declared the occupants non existent. It's about time we put that right.

[Lugs]

England considered Ireland as terra nullius

Terra nullius - Wikipedia

[skuthorp]

Ha! one of my grandma's, ferociously anti-catholic, held that view. Relations were subsequently strained by a series of catholic Irish girlfriends………

Now,it'a a wooden boat forum, so hopefully you have an interest?

[Lugs]

I'm down to one

[Paul Pless]

I'm down to one

what is it?

[Lugs]

what is it?

14' skiff. What do you have?

[Paul Pless]

nothing at the moment
just moved back from the desert one month ago
hope to have another boat by ice out this spring

[skuthorp]

I'm down to 3, a 60 year old Sabre dinghy and a Macgreggor sailng canoe. (One FG sea kayak in the shop roof as well).

[Besserwisser]

I'm down to 3, a 60 year old Sabre dinghy...

Must have been a premature one; the Sabre was designed in 1974.


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[Besserwisser]

Here's Rex with the first one...

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[skuthorp]

My mistake, but that's old enough. There was an establishment fleet professionally built with numbers allocated to different states I'm told. Mine is 474. I have the aluminium builders plate, hull number, what was a phone number and initials long since corroded away.

[skuthorp]

Invasion day rallies
The RW were energised, neo nazis causing trouble, the left (Burney) holding out for a treaty were just as bad and abetted them. Add what's been happening in the Territory and Aus. may fail in it's obligations to itself again. The LibNats are beyond the pale, encouraging such behaviour.

But as I say, humans are like that.

[WX]

I think there are a number of people/factions trying to shoot themselves in foot over the voice.

[Lugs]

Invasion day rallies
The RW were energised, neo nazis causing trouble, the left (Burney) holding out for a treaty were just as bad and abetted them. Add what's been happening in the Territory and Aus. may fail in it's obligations to itself again. The LibNats are beyond the pale, encouraging such behaviour.

But as I say, humans are like that.

I'm sorry, but I would like to ask for clarification please. What exactly are the LibNats encouraging that is "beyond the pale"?

On another note, the ABC has become so woke that I've had to change the channel several times recently. That or throw up. After the third acknowledgement of elders past, present and emerging at the Australian of the Year, I gave up and watched something else. Amazingly, a whitey won it (and well deserved, even if she does have a fat arse).

And what is it with this never-ending warning to aboriginal and torres strait islander people that the following show may contain images of deceased persons. Right, we get it. Watch TV or old movies, even log in to the internet, and you will be exposed to that. The real kicker on that theme is the Australian War Memorial. You can't get into their web page without that warning. The dumbing down of our society in aid of wokism is incredible.

[skuthorp]

"And what is it with this never-ending warning to aboriginal and torres strait islander people that the following show may contain images of deceased persons."
Religion, custom, though it's likely more complex than that. It does no harm, and after all we are living on their country…….

[Lugs]

"And what is it with this never-ending warning to aboriginal and torres strait islander people that the following show may contain images of deceased persons."
Religion, custom, though it's likely more complex than that. It does no harm, and after all we are living on their country…….

Outdated at best, disingenuous at worst. We are living on our country.

[Hallam]

Outdated at best, disingenuous at worst. We are living on our country.

Hi Lugs, welcome to the forum. I agree with your early comment that this is a strange thread. I assume it was a reflection on the absence of differing perspectives as the vast majority of contributions are broadly in agreement politically speaking.

Do you subscribe to the notion of Terra Nullius?
In the absence of a treaty are we who’s country it is now notionally ‘still at war’ with those who’s country it once was?
I ask the questions because I think there are a number of unresolved issues that flow on from unpacking your statement. In broad terms, in some respects you are right, we are living on our country as in everyone with Australian citizenship. The possible answers to my two questions above with a closer examination reveals a more complicated situation I think, the notion of ownership being one issue.

[gypsie]

Lugs, are you a religious person? I'm not at all, but I was raised in very Catholic Ireland.
For Catholics there are things and places that are sacrosanct; like the tabernacle that houses the holy sacrament.

It's all voodoo and nonsense to me but I respect that they have their religious beliefs and that they are widespread, very old, and that's the way it is. It's religious and cultural and without it Ireland wouldn't be Ireland. It's not unique to Ireland but it does form a goodly chunk of the national identity, and Ireland does have its own unique slant. I say embrace the idiocycracy, the difference, and let it live. I don't believe but I am also unaffected in my daily life. Does that make me woke?

[WX]

Outdated at best, disingenuous at worst. We are living on our country.

Except we've never really come to terms, or truly adopted the pre white history and culture.