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Thread: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

  1. #386
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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    Beautiful job! I notice your side benches are lower than other Arctic Tern/Sooty Tern builds I've seen. Most are in contact with the centerboard seat/thwart.

    Others are almost flush with the end tank decks. I'd love to hear from options on the side bench height.

    Also I see your oars are tied under the benches. How long are your oars?

    Thanks


    Rob Macks
    Laughing Loon Custom Canoes & Kayaks
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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    Thanks Rob. I've admired your kayaks.
    Oars are 9'8" and not really hard to deploy. I can lash them above thwarts and forward.
    At this point I don't recall the seat height rationale, but believe It was a comfort issue so the gunnel was above the hip bone. Didn't reduce the cockpit area. Boat is a good fit for me. Build one!
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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    Thanks for your reply. Gunnel above hip, good point.

    I have Arctic/Sooty plans from Ian I bought several years ago and I've been reading threads here and everywhere and I'm on a mental merry-go-round of Sooty-Artic-Sooty, open-stem tanks- stem and side air tanks, and all there other variables, but I am going to build a strip version so I'm looking at all the great ideas out there and hope to steal the best.

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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    Strip? Interesting. What wood thickness, species and glass weight?
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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    I'm thinking 3/8" x 1" western red cedar, with 6 oz. glass inside and out and a second bias layer below the waterline inside and out.
    West Systems testing indicates the bias glass will add extra strength, with twice as many threads crossing strip joints.

    It will be interesting to see the weight of an Arctic Tern (current direction) strip built with my methods. I think the estimated weight is 240 pounds.
    I built a "Liz" style pulling boat (see - http://www.laughingloon.com/otherdesigns.html) with a suggested finish weight of 125 pounds, @ 80 pounds.

    I currently use bias orientated cloth on the interiors of my kayaks for added strength without added weight.

    All the best,
    Rob Macks
    Laughing Loon Custom Canoes & Kayaks
    http://www.laughingloon.com/

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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    I'll be curious to see what a smooth-sided ST looks like. I've always personally felt that the laps were a huge component of the aesthetic appeal of these boats, but I certainly don't see why a strip one wouldn't be practical enough, other than requiring several orders of magnitude of more fiberglass work. But to each cat his own rat.

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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    it'll look like a Maine Peapod!

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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    it'll look like a Maine Peapod!
    You mean other than the rake of the stem and sternpost, the flare in the bow, the deadrise in the sections, the rocker, the jaunty sheer line, the interior layout, and the rig and its fittings? 'Cause then I totally agree with you! It's totally pointy at both ends too. Just like a baguette or a brontosaurus.

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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    My training as an artist would allow me the option to employ Trompe L'Oeil to make it appear I indeed have laps on my smooth surfaced hull, interesting thought!
    But at my age I would find it difficult to look at the hull exterior while sailing.

    Fiberglass work is not much different than applying a coat of paint. Everything is difficult, before it is easy.

    James, I've noticed your ST has side benches snugged up to the centerboard thwart. Any guidance on seat height? (classic straight man opening)

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    Default Re: New build (yes, another) Sooty Tern.

    Just back from a couple days of sailing UNA at Janes Island, MD. Studied her a bit. I did drop the side seats. Had forgotten. I think I questioned several of the details save for lines and rig to adapt to my frame or desires. That is the cool thing when building your own.
    For my length the gunnel distance from the seat is better raised. I can rest my elbow while sitting to leeward for hours. Oh, and that Norwegian tiller is a marvel! I also like to sit more inside the boat than on it. Seat drop was only 2", but that made a positive difference for me. No perceived loss to the cockpit width, oars fit under seats, and stowage in bags there works well.
    Two cents-
    EB
    Last edited by EeBe4; 04-23-2017 at 05:31 PM.
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