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    okay funny
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    I think you may have that wrong, When crackers talk about folks they aint referring to their own. Jus sayin
    "para todo mal, mezcal, y para todo bien también" (for everything bad, mezcal, and for everything good, as well.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby of Tulsa View Post
    I think you may have that wrong, When crackers talk about folks they aint referring to their own. Jus sayin
    Exactly! you don't think there's crackers in Portland, Oregon???
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    I never heard anyone referred to as a 'cracker' until I was an adult and they talked about the Atlanta Crackers minor league team on the radio from time to time. As I understand it, a 'cracker' is a white person from rural north Florida/south Georgia, usually someone who works with their hands and usually someone from a fairly low income backround.

    Pretty stupid thing to call a person, I guess. As far as that sign in that grocery store goes, it seems funny to me that anyone would even notice it. As I say, if someone were to call another a cracker where I live it really wouldn't register.

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    Well... I'm a White Boy. When I'm out and about with a certain group of friends (blues aficionados) that's mostly black/asian/hispanic... that, in fact, is what they call me. But, after cancer treatment and gall bladder surgery... I'm more of a Rice Cracker.
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    Too funny!
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    Grits!

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    lol. I just asked my wife if someone called her a 'cracker' would she know what that meant? No, she wouldn't. What does it mean?

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    Cracker ain't been used in Virginia for generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamamick View Post
    lol. I just asked my wife if someone called her a 'cracker' would she know what that meant? No, she wouldn't. What does it mean?

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    The references I've heard have always talked about poor white rural southern folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by bogdog View Post
    Cracker ain't been used in Virginia for generations.
    I heard the term growing up in southeast Virginia, but it was a joke not a commonly used term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Well... I'm a White Boy. When I'm out and about with a certain group of friends (blues aficionados) that's mostly black/asian/hispanic... that, in fact, is what they call me. But, after cancer treatment and gall bladder surgery... I'm more of a Rice Cracker.
    "Honky" (also an ancient term) would probably be more appropriate. "Cracker" was commonly used during the civil-rights battles of 50 years ago to mean a violent racist.

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    There have been several bands named The Georgia Crackers. One is still playing now. Here is one from 1927.


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    I've regarded it as in insult, occasionally used by those to whom it applied as a term of pride, as the N-word is now used in hip-hop jargon.

    Here's some stuff from Wikipedia:

    There are multiple explanations of the etymology of "cracker", most dating its origin to the 18th century or earlier.[3]

    One theory holds that the term derives from the "cracking" of whips, either by slave foremen in the antebellum South against African slaves, or by rustics to guide their cattle.[4][5][6][7] Those white foremen or rural poor who cracked their whips theoretically became known as "crackers."

    A "cracker cowboy" with his Florida Cracker Horse and dog by Frederick Remington, 1895

    Another whip-derived theory is based on Florida's "cracker cowboys" of the 19th and early 20th centuries; distinct from the Spanish vaquero and the Western cowboy. Cracker cowboys did not use lassos to herd or capture cattle.* Their primary tools were cow whips and dogs.[8]

    The term "cracker" was in use during Elizabethan times to describe braggarts. The original root of this is the Middle English word crack meaning "entertaining conversation" (One may be said to "crack" a joke; a witty remark is a "wisecrack"). This term and the Gaelic spelling "craic" are still in use in Ireland, Scotland and Northern England. It is documented in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this... that deafes our eares / With this abundance of superfluous breath?"

    An alternative theory holds that the term comes from the common diet of poor whites. The 1911 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica supposes that the term derives from the cracked (kernels of) corn which formed the staple food of this class of people.[9]

    Examples of usage

    As early as the 1760s, this term was in use by the upper class planters in the British North American colonies to refer to Scots-Irish and English settlers in the south, most of whom were descendants of English bond servants. A letter to the Earl of Dartmouth reads:
    "I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode."[3]
    Frederick Law Olmsted, a prominent landscape architect from Connecticut, visited the South as a journalist in the 1850s and wrote that "some crackers owned a good many Negroes, and were by no means so poor as their appearance indicated."[10]

    "Cracker" has also been used as a proud or jocular self-description. With the huge influx of new residents from the North, "cracker" is used informally by some white residents of Florida and Georgia ("Florida cracker" or "Georgia cracker") to indicate that their family has lived there for many generations. However, the term "white cracker" is seldom used self-referentially and remains an offensive racial slur used to demean Caucasians.[11]


    *This is mistaken, as lassos are not used to herd cattle and one can't catch them with whips and dogs, unless there's a pen to drive them into.
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    "Well... I'm a White Boy."

    Ha! Yeah, right...a white boy...that's what you are...Ha!

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    White boy is a relative term...
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    Crackers are poor white agriculturists. Peckerwoods are poor whites who live on the fringes.

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    In New Jersey it was unwise to travel south of Hackensack unless you hugged the jersey shore..

    Im brave but not brave enough to go into the deep south..

    I Saw that documentary... My Cousin Vinny.

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    A - the sign is funny

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    "Cracker" has also been used as a proud or jocular self-description. With the huge influx of new residents from the North, "cracker" is used informally by some white residents of Florida and Georgia ("Florida cracker" or "Georgia cracker") to indicate that their family has lived there for many generations.
    That's correct. Florida Cracker is a term of historic pride and denotes a multi-generational rancher / farmer (from the crack of the long whips used to drive cattle)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    In New Jersey it was unwise to travel south of Hackensack unless you hugged the jersey shore..

    Im brave but not brave enough to go into the deep south..

    I Saw that documentary... My Cousin Vinny.
    Guess we need a sequel. Still too many yankees coming south.
    As to documentaries, I saw the MTV one about the Jersey Shore...
    Talk about scary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    Guess we need a sequel. Still too many yankees coming south.
    As to documentaries, I saw the MTV one about the Jersey Shore...
    Talk about scary!
    When I first moved to Savannah they referred to sand gnats as Yankee repellent. And were all hush-hush as to the wonders of Skin-So-Soft...

    And quite frankly they were waiting for a critical mass of yankees to build homes on Skidaway Island so they could cut it loose.

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    The only time I heard the term 'cracker' was on a very old SNL skit with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor. Very on-the-edge-comedy, but very funny.


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    I have a few old glass tumblers with pictures of US States on them. The glass for Georgia calls it "The Cracker State". These glasses come from the time around WW2. How things change.

    I still think the sign is funny.
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    My mother was a "Tarheel." When she moved to Virginia to work at NACA she was openly harassed by Virginians who used "Tarheel" as a pejorative. I gather a big thing to do was make public comments on the bus about how unusual it was to see a "Tarheel" wearing shoes. My mother of course was raised with the knowledge that North Carolina is a valley of humility between two mountains of conceit, meaning the Virginia and South Carolina spawn of the dregs of English aristocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    Guess we need a sequel. Still too many yankees coming south.
    As to documentaries, I saw the MTV one about the Jersey Shore...
    Talk about scary!
    My relatives in Georgia loved the movie 'Deliverance'.

    They say it kept the Yankees out for another 10 years.

    Truly though, we Southerners have only one man to blame for their continuing occupation: Willis Haviland Carrier!

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    When we started looking for property in SC I was surprised at the number of Lutheran Churches. Turns out a lot of Germans emigrated to SC. Lots of Ritters (my name) in the Charleston phone book.
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    The first Lutheran College in the United States was founded in South Carolina, Newberry. Its still there.
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    Mornin' Paul!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    My relatives in Georgia loved the movie 'Deliverance'.

    They say it kept the Yankees out for another 10 years.

    Truly though, we Southerners have only one man to blame for their continuing occupation: Willis Haviland Carrier!
    Ha! That is funny...

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    One would have thought Carrier's invention would have made the South more civilized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogdog View Post
    One would have thought Carrier's invention would have made the South more civilized.
    How so?

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    "Cracker" is a band from Austin,Texas.
    One of the best I've seen live.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Domesticated_Mr. Know It All View Post
    "Cracker" is a band from Austin,Texas.
    One of the best I've seen live.
    Yes, indeed.

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    now we're getting somewhere

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    what came first? the brand name? or their customer base?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    what came first? the brand name? or their customer base?

    I don't know, but their chicken fried steak is AWESOME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    How so?
    Air conditioned schools.

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    Air conditioning was invented to maintain the moisture content of paper in printing plants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    When we started looking for property in SC I was surprised at the number of Lutheran Churches. Turns out a lot of Germans emigrated to SC. Lots of Ritters (my name) in the Charleston phone book.
    A lot of the old property owners, of the rice and cane plantations, in southwest Louisiana, were Germans, and there are a lot of German names still around over there. The Acadians who moved to Louisiana from Canada were (iirc) very cautious of government and moved farther up into the wetlands to live lives of relative independence, while the Germans bought up all the good land and started farming.

    In the county where I live there is a town called Elberta, which was settled by Germans, and there is a hall there from a social club for Germans, Poles, and Swedes. Been around since long before I was born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Air conditioning was invented to maintain the moisture content of paper in printing plants
    No, it was invented to make it easier to mill cotton in North Carolina, it was all about denim.

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