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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post

    Can you id the two boats that appear closest to the camera in this photo?
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    That St Lawrence Skiff in the foreground is a long way from home.

    Aren't they pretty?

    Move to Clayton NY if you wanna see more like that. That's where they were first designed.

    I've never seen another besides mine in Toronto.

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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    Ft. Wayne Indianna.

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    Both are Aeolus Boats, the one in the foreground was built by Bill himself, he referred to it as an "Saint Lawrence skiff". Lapstrake ply - a very capable and fast sail boat as well as row boat. One of the few that are good at both, I have a narrower, sleeker version hanging in the rafters. The other is an interpretation of an 18' Lumbermans Bateau directly from Chapelle except narrowed slightly on the bottom, a trick that will make a work boat a better pleasure rowing craft. Another excellent row boat, but a bit tender for sail. Not built by Bill himself (The odd extended stems identify that) but likely by one of the itinerent builders that found their way through the shop back in the 70's.
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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    Italy. Or Austria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    I would like to get away from humidity. The Ohio Valley is unbelievably humid year-round. Winter does not scare me. I was raised in northern Ohio on the south shore of Lake Erie. I like all the seasons.
    Somewhere's near the west coast of Michigan then. . .
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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    One of the few that are good at both, I have a narrower, sleeker version hanging in the rafters.
    Does your "sleeker version" sail as well as a SLS?

    The Gospel according to Gardner rates St Lawrence Skiffs unparalleled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Somewhere's near the west coast of Michigan then. . .
    Nah, Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    Does your "sleeker version" sail as well as a SLS? .

    Strictly a rowing craft - a pulling boat 19 feet OA w/ 39" beam, with no rocker it was never intended to sail, it takes an acre to turn it around.
    It does sail though, I have put sails on every boat I ever had... This one uses a split rig 110 feet total with small lateen sails and a leeboard from a Naples Sabot. The rudder is ineffective other than a noise maker, you have to sail it like a ship, backing the mizzen to get it through stays. But once it is hooked up on a tack it is fast. A bit like a sailing canoe. I took it to the Port Townsend festival many years ago.

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    Keeeewwl!

    Does "Split rig" mean 'split into two separate masts and sails', like a yawl?

    I'm picturing a mini sunfish style lateen foremast and an even mini-er version aft?

    Are there pics somewhere, before I drift outta Tom's thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Somewhere's near the west coast of Michigan then. . .
    About time somebody mentioned it....

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    Who says you have to stay in the US anyway. New Brunswick's gorgeous, and cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    Keeeewwl!

    Does "Split rig" mean 'split into two separate masts and sails', like a yawl?

    I'm picturing a mini sunfish style lateen foremast and an even mini-er version aft?

    Are there pics somewhere, before I drift outta Tom's thread?

    Mike
    Yes, you have it pictured exactly (a cat ketch) The fore sail is from a 1939 Old Town Otca.
    I don't think there are any photos, but there is a painting, I'll take a picture of that.

    There's this - Almost exactly the same deal except I only use a single lee board.
    (Tom will have to just come out here and check it out - I'll offer him a day sail. Do we think it might be too liberal for him ? It's very close to Marin and all - Nah...



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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    New Brunswick's gorgeous, and cheap.
    and colder than hell. . .
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Sailing in the Sacramento River


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    and colder than hell. . .
    Not much, my bit anyway - it ain't Winnipeg. But colder longer.
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    While I love Wyoming, I can't recommend it for sailing.

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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    If you want you could make a few exploratory trips to the places you are considering. I'm sure there are Forumites that would put you up and get you out on the water in all these locations. I'll volunteer for the Maine trip.



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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    Anywhere around Buzzards Bay in MA. We sail small boats 'til December, have ~ 15 wooden boat builders between Mattapoisett and Woods Hole, moorings can be had for small boats, wind is delightfully unpredictable, summer begins in April and ends in October and there are lobster, striped bass and bluefish to be had. Gobs of small harbors all around, too.
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    Remember, Seattle has an opening day of boating season every year.....but never a closing day.

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    In the past, some of my family (in Maine) has asked me to describe the weather here, and I tell them the very worst day here in the winter is the same as the worst day there in the summer...
    There is no off season for sailing.

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    jmo, but if I could afford it there'd be no contest: the PNW. I don't think the rest of the country understands how big sailing is around Seattle. Man, there are more sailboats on little Lake Union than there are in Maine. It's a sailing paradise.

    I'd love to tell you that Mobile would be a great place to retire to and sail, but it's not. There are a couple of months a year when it is just too hot to go out for long (and I imagine Florida would be the same), and I'd say a good 50% of our racing this year has either been a wash or no fun at all because of a lack of wind. Like today, for instance. I know that almost all of North America suffers from lack of wind from time to time, but in our case there's no wind AND it's 90F.

    If I were willing to move I know where I'd move to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamamick View Post
    jmo, but if I could afford it there'd be no contest: the PNW. I don't think the rest of the country understands how big sailing is around Seattle. Man, there are more sailboats on little Lake Union than there are in Maine. It's a sailing paradise.

    I'd love to tell you that Mobile would be a great place to retire to and sail, but it's not. There are a couple of months a year when it is just too hot to go out for long (and I imagine Florida would be the same), and I'd say a good 50% of our racing this year has either been a wash or no fun at all because of a lack of wind. Like today, for instance. I know that almost all of North America suffers from lack of wind from time to time, but in our case there's no wind AND it's 90F.

    If I were willing to move I know where I'd move to.

    Mickey Lake

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    Mickey Lake of course knows the Gulf Coast, but I was just in Corpus Christie this week watching the Wednesday night race of the Corpus Christie Midget Ocean Racers and the weather was beautiful, the city seemed like a smaller earlier version of Tampa and I was thinking it has to beat Kansas in the Winter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Girouard View Post
    Did we tell you it rains everyday up here? Well it does, summer ain't no diffeerent than winter.
    Mebee. But when it's raining on you there are metre boats, R's and Dragons to sail on!

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    Have lived in western MI all of my adult life. Always have had access to Lake Michigan and inland lakes and rivers. Loved winter until I got into my mid 60's. Now migrate south to western Florida mid winter and have the best of both boating worlds. Recommend it highly. If you don't buy waterfront property real estate is still highly depressed in both locations.
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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    Sell the house, buy a boat, and move onto it. As I recall, there were a number of these for sale in January 2013. This is the marina in front of the Ilikai Hotel in Honolulu.

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    Kind of confusing, mainly due to the idea of sailing a small boat vs. some kind of live-aboard arrangement. Silly as it sounds, metropolitan Detroit has the distinction of being one of the largest small-boat sailing centers in the country. Might add a half-dozen comfortable overnight destinations on Lake St. Clair alone. Maybe 30 or so smaller lakes cluttered with sailing.
    Then there is the Traverse City area, which gives you access to both inland lakes, Lake Michigan, the Great Lakes, and the world, along with the Traverse Bays and surrounding islands. The drawback is the seasonal weather. You have to go skiing in the winter.

    Might also note that Michigan has about a quarter of the coastline in the United States.
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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    I am thinking about the same thing.
    The East Coast is preferred because our relatives and friends will still be within a 1-2 day drive.

    You may want to consider the following locations.

    1. Maine – Belfast - Penobscot bay area.
    The bay is really not that big and after you explore it you will need to either trailer your boat to another area or sail in open water to the next area.

    2. Rhode Island – Newport Area.
    The bay itself is also not that big but you have a short trip to many good gunk holing locations.
    Buzzards bay, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, Long Island Etc.
    You can also trailer your boat a short distance to Cape Cod Bay.

    3. Chesapeake Bay Area
    This is my number 1 location.
    The bay is very large with many town and islands to explore without needed to go into the Ocean.

    4. North Carolina – Pamlico Sound area.
    This is my number 2 location.
    There are many small towns to pick from like New Bern.
    The Sound is very large and lots of places to explore.
    You can even try your hand at finding Blackbeard’s treasure.

    You can get some very good location information from the city data website.
    http://www.city-data.com/
    Just enter in the city or town and it will give you everything from home prices to weather info.
    Good Luck

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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Carter View Post
    Have lived in western MI all of my adult life. Always have had access to Lake Michigan and inland lakes and rivers. Loved winter until I got into my mid 60's. Now migrate south to western Florida mid winter and have the best of both boating worlds. Recommend it highly. If you don't buy waterfront property real estate is still highly depressed in both locations.
    Sounds like you can also avoid the new Michigan retirement taxes that way.

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    The Chesapeake Bay does get hot, humid, and sometimes windless in June, July, and August. That's why having multiple boats might be a good idea. A small motor boat or sea kayak can reach numerous fascinating areas a sailboat could never reach even under ideal conditions. There are also the black-water rivers of the southeastern part of the state(Northwest River, Blackwater River and Nottoway River) that are heavily forested as is the upper Pamunkey River so even on hot days there is some relief in the shade. We also use dry suits as there are few prettier sights than paddling some of the rivers of Mobjack Bay or the Corrotoman River off the Rappahanock or the Mattaponi and Pamunkey rivers in the winter when the water is clear and a snow is falling. All that's just some of the points on the west side of the Bay, then there's the Shore where they grow green sweet potatoes and talk as funny is the folks in Guinea, Gloucester and have some of the best birding in the world. I'd stay away from there, many a promising future has been sucked away by the siren call of the relaxed lifestyle found on the Shore. The other problem is the houses are all of the big house, little house, colonnade, and kitchen design. They're so long it takes minutes just to get from one end of the house to the other.

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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    Quote Originally Posted by bogdog View Post
    The Chesapeake Bay does get hot, humid, and sometimes windless in June, July, and August...
    Maybe the real solution is to sail your boat north to Maine for the summer, then back south to the Chesapeake for autumn and spring. The snow birds already do it in their caravans.

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    Default Re: OK. To where in the U.S. should a Midwestern sailor move after retirement?

    Put an oar over your shoulder and keep walking until a WBF'er tells you exactly what type of oar you have and why you're carrying it wrong.

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    Sounds to me that you should stay in the Midwest. Escanaba MI has a nice cozy harbor and very scenic sailing!

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