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    Interesting article, at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3825477.html


    The most efficient health care in the world: Singapore, Japan, and Hong Kong.

    So, how do they do it?

    Universal Health Care!

    Meanwhile, Singapore's healthcare system is largely funded by individual contributions, and is often hailed by conservatives as a beacon of personal responsibility. But as conservative David Frum notes, the system is actually fueled by the invisible hand of the public sector: individuals are required to contribute a percentage of their monthly salary based on age to a personal fund to pay for treatments and hospital expenditures. In addition, the government provides a safety net to cover expenses for which these personal savings are inadequate. Private healthcare still plays a role in Singapore's system, but takes a backseat to public offerings, which boast the majority of doctors, nurses, and procedures performed.
    Hmmm...sounds suspiciously like ObamaCare, doesn't it? Individuals forced to pay for health care? A safety net for those who can't afford to?

    Despite being considered by some as having the freest economy in the world, Hong Kong's universal healthcare system involves heavy government participation; its own health secretary calls public medicine the "cornerstone" of the system. Public hospitals account for 90 percent of in-patient procedures, while the numerous private options are mostly used by the wealthy. All this government care isn't taking much of a bite out of the state's bustling economy: According to Bloomberg, Hong Kong spends just 3.8 percent of GDP on healthcare per capita, tied for the third-lowest among nations surveyed and good for the most efficient healthcare system in the world.
    So... the wealthy can still buy their concierge services... but Hong Kong doesn't bleed money like the US, to provide health care to the rest.

    Ranking third on Bloomberg's list, the Japanese system involves universal healthcare with mandatory participation funded by payroll taxes paid by both employer and employee, or income-based premiums by the self-employed. Long-term care insurance is also required for those older than 40. As Dr. John W. Traphagan notes in The Diplomat, Japan controls costs by setting flat rates for everything from medications to procedures, thus eliminating competition among insurance providers. While most of the country's hospitals are privately owned and operated, the government implements smart regulations to ensure that the system remains universal and egalitarian.
    Yup, after reading this, it's a miracle that these countries, so intensely socialist, aren't burning in the fires of hell for not following the US model
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    When we hear people tell us they LOVE their Medicare and how they don't want the government involved in health insurance, it sort of says it all.
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    It is just stunning.... how the right wingers could clearly see overwhelming evidence in the rest of the world for how to get control of our health care expenses....

    ...and voluntarily just choose to ignore that evidence.
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    But but but, it's un-American and unpatriotic to even consider that the American Way night be less than The Best.
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    Ontario resident health insurance, OHIP as it's known, would not pay for an operation on my badly fractured foot because I was a smoker.

    The amount of recovery time in the hospital for smokers due to reduced circulation in the extremities and a slower rate of healing is considered uneconomical, so they don't do anything.

    Quitting smoking didn't reverse the decision.

    There are aspects of socialized medicine which are less desirable than private medical insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    Ontario resident health insurance, OHIP as it's known, would not pay for an operation on my badly fractured foot because I was a smoker.

    The amount of recovery time in the hospital for smokers due to reduced circulation in the extremities and a slower rate of healing is considered uneconomical, so they don't do anything.

    Quitting smoking didn't reverse the decision.

    There are aspects of socialized medicine which are less desirable than private medical insurance.

    Mike

    Smoker's are going to die sooner anyway, it's like being your own "death panel" isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    Ontario resident health insurance, OHIP as it's known, would not pay for an operation on my badly fractured foot because I was a smoker.

    The amount of recovery time in the hospital for smokers due to reduced circulation in the extremities and a slower rate of healing is considered uneconomical, so they don't do anything.

    Quitting smoking didn't reverse the decision.

    There are aspects of socialized medicine which are less desirable than private medical insurance.

    Mike
    Their are aspects of Ontario's OHIP that are less desirable.
    Under the UK National Health you would have had the op.
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