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    trolling for ed harrow

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    Continuation...

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    WOW!

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    What it's racing cousin was propelled by.

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    Have we had an AC 428 before?

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    The piggish 917/20

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    Hard to believe... same era

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    and a Lancia Stratos HF Zero

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    and a Lancia Stratos HF Zero

    England? No windshield wipers?!?!?!?

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    Don't think it's England unless they changed the drive direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredvv44 View Post
    Don't think it's England unless they changed the drive direction.
    Found a source that says Italy. There's at the minimum Italian, German and French cars in sight

    This was a 1970 prototype...

    Found this. Sothebys sold it for 761,600 Euro in 2011

    https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/v...tratos-hf-zero

    Quite a full description at the link... which I couldn't C&P. There is a pop-up windscreen wiper concealed at the bottom of the windscreen
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    115 bhp, 1,584 cc narrow angle V-4 engine, two twin-choke Solex C42 DDHF carburettors, five-speed gearbox, independent front suspension with coil springs and vertical McPherson telescopic dampers, independent rear suspension with double-wishbones and telescopic dampers, four-wheel disc brakes. Wheelbase: 2,220 mm (87.4")

    - From the Collection of Bertone S.p.A.

    - Unveiled at Turin Motor Show (28 October, 1970)

    - Fully functioning prototype of a landmark and trendsetting Marcello Gandini design

    - First prototype of the Stratos production car and successful rally car

    - Fully and professionally restored in 2000

    At the turn of the 1970s, the great design rivalry between Bertone and Pininfarina reached an all-time high, with both companies seemingly determined to pull out all the stops to outdo one another. Bertone had perhaps opened the hostilities with the Marzal and with the first “wedge-shaped” supercar concept, the mighty Alfa Romeo Carabo. Italdesign had joined the fray with the Bizzarrini Manta and the Alfa Romeo Iguana. Pininfarina had replied using all its Ferrari firepower with the striking P5, the 512S berlinetta and the Modulo. The latter had caused quite a stir at the Geneva Motor Show in March 1970, yet nothing, not even the outlandish Modulo, could really have prepared visitors of the 1970 Turin Motor Show just a few months later to what they were about to see on the Bertone stand. The car was officially labelled “Stratos HF.” Nuccio Bertone had initially wanted to call it “Stratolimite,” as in “limit of the stratosphere,” clearly inspired by its space-age design. But after some time, it came to be known simply by its internal nickname: Zero.

    With the Stratos Zero, Bertone transcended the limits of automotive styling and chiselled a shape that appeared as though it were made of a solid block of metal, evoking speed and the sensation of travel. More remarkable still was the fact that the Zero was not only a design statement but a fully functioning prototype. There was a clear continuity of style and intent between the 1968 Carabo, 1970 Stratos and 1971 Countach prototype. The three projects showed a linear progression in formal research, to the extent that, randomly looking at the preliminary sketches done for each car and omitting the dates, it is difficult to tell which of those three projects they were for. If the Carabo was the radical dream car that broke new ground and the Countach the final step before production, the Stratos was a sculpture on four wheels if ever there was one, a true dream car that married concepts of architecture and pure artistic expression and applied them to the automotive object.

    Everything about the Stratos looked futuristic. Its full-width row of ultrathin headlights made for a dramatic front view, echoed at the rear by the minimalist but highly effective combination of mesh grille, ribbon taillights, fat tyres and dual exhaust offset to the side of the protruding gearbox case. The front headlight strip was backlit by ten 55W bulbs at the front, the rear strip by no less than 84 tiny bulbs spread all around the perimeter of the truncated tail. As for turn signals, the same lights simply lit up in succession from the centre to the edges!

    According to Eugenio Pagliano, who had joined Bertone’s styling studio a couple years earlier and would become its longstanding Interior Chief Designer, the initial concept behind the Stratos Zero for Bertone’s creative task force was simply to see how low a car they could build! Besides the tongue-in-cheek, slightly provocative aspect of this stated target, it made sense with regard to aerodynamics, where a minimal frontal section is always a prerequisite. It was possibly also a response to Pininfarina’s Modulo. Indeed, where the Modulo had been only 93.5 cm tall, the Stratos peaked at a mere 84 cm (33 inches) from the ground!

    According to Pagliano, the Zero was assembled by sourcing from existing Lancia parts. The efficient, no-nonsense mid-ship mechanical layout followed almost effortlessly from that height target, and the diminutive yet spritely 1.6-litre Lancia V-4 engine of the Fulvia HF was chosen for its minimal size as part of that quest for a sleek profile. The chassis was crafted onsite, and the engine was sourced, complete with its own sub-chassis and suspension, from a Fulvia coupé that had been involved in an accident, unbeknownst to Lancia. The double-wishbone with transverse leaf spring arrangement at the rear was simply the Fulvia’s front axle. At the front, the wheel fairings which dominated the narrow cabin were just wide enough to accommodate short McPherson struts. Disc brakes were fitted on all four wheels. A 45-litre fuel tank found space in the right side of the engine bay, and twin fans assisted radiator cooling. The spectacular triangular engine cover incorporated slats shaped to direct air towards the radiator, which was set all the way to the rear.

    The cabin was so far up front that access was by way of a flip-up windscreen, and a sourced hydraulic linkage was devised so that, as the steering column was pushed forward to enable access to the driver’s seat, the windscreen would lift. The black rectangle at the bottom of the windscreen was in fact a small rubber mat intended to make climbing in easier by first stepping onto the bodywork. The Lancia badge at the centre of the mat cleverly concealed a pivoting handle that popped the windscreen open.

    Certainly the seating position was as horizontal and as close to the ground as it could possibly get. With the two occupants sitting between the front wheels, the car could have hardly been any narrower as well. Once seated, the driver had nothing but the road in front of him and the sky above him, with a futuristic instrument panel offset to the side behind the front wheel-arch. Its graphics, hand-etched in the green Perspex, were certainly futuristic looking but probably difficult to concentrate on at any speed! Headroom was adequate for the average-sized driver, but one felt slightly “compressed” with the fully enveloping windscreen closed.

    The steering wheel was made by Italian manufacturer Gallino-Hellebore. Rear-view mirrors sunk inside the side scallops allowed for somewhat limited rear vision. A small overhead mirror was occasionally installed for road tests atop the windscreen! In this extremely tight package, room for a spare wheel and luggage was found right behind the driver. The “chocolate bar” pattern of the seats themselves was carried through to the Lamborghini Countach LP500. The top side-windows slid backwards into the bodywork, while a “pop-up” wiper was concealed underneath a trap door at the base of the windscreen. Overall, the cost of building the Stratos Zero in 1970 was reportedly 40M Lire (equivalent then to $65,000 or roughly $450,000 in 2010 dollars), when a brand new Lancia Fulvia Rally 1.6 HF coupé cost 2.25M Lire.

    Despite being a very abstract vision of the automobile, Italian magazine Quattroruote actually took the Stratos prototype on the road back in 1971, driving it from Milan’s beltway to the historic town centre in front of the Duomo, where it caused, as one could only imagine, quite a sensation. The driver must have felt a certain degree of insecurity looking up at scooters as well as all other forms of traffic, dwarfed by trucks and buses passing by…

    Nuccio Bertone had personally already driven the car on public roads when he went to meet Lancia’s top brass a few months earlier to discuss a more realistic sports car project which eventually became the Stratos Stradale. On that occasion, it is reported that the car passed underneath the closed entrance barriers at Lancia’s racing team headquarters, which earned it a most positive reception!

    It would be a wild exaggeration to say that the Stratos that eventually made it to showrooms bore much resemblance to the original prototype, but without the Zero, the car that would become one of rally racing’s most memorable icons would likely never have been.

    Marcello Gandini himself never commented much about the Stratos he had penned. In an interview granted to Giancarlo Perini in 1977, he simply remarked: “The very first Stratos was designed as freely as the [Autobianchi] Runabout and reached the aim for which it was intended: to establish a bridge between Lancia and Bertone. Having established the bridge, Lancia asked us to come up with an idea for a new sports car that would go rallying in the world championships.”


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    The Stratos Zero was subjected to a full restoration in 2000, conducted entirely in-house at Stile Bertone in Caprie. In the process it regained its original bronze livery, which had made way for a more traditional silver soon after its initial presentation. It is now presented in its full glory, just as it was on 28th October, 1970, the day it was launched upon unsuspecting show-goers.

    Current chief designer Michael Robinson cites the Stratos Zero as the car that made him decide to become a car designer whilst he was studying to become an architect. Without doubt, he isn’t the sole top designer in the industry today to have embraced the profession spurred on by a Bertone show piece. In 1987, Renault Design executive Serge Van Hove, who worked with Marcello Gandini for many years, wrote the following in Italian magazine Auto & Design: “What Gandini cares about more than anything else, what makes him unique, is the dreaming.” Match that to Nuccio Bertone’s ability to transform dreams into reality, and you have the unrepeatable Stratos Zero.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    At the time of the Stratos Zero there were several similarly themed concept cars,even Vauxhall indulged.

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    While it might be heresy to some I actually prefer the Roadrunner Superbird to the porky 917.

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    Betcha can't guess this one!
    Mouse over the pic should give the answer.

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    Ah, mid engine. There's no way you're getting an E-series under that bonnet.
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    There's a hint !!!

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    I wonder where it ended up.It certainly wasn't at Gaydon when I went there a few years ago,but this creation was and if either of them deserved to reach production it shouldn't have been this .

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    Is that the mid engined Rover V8 powered prototype? One of the mags tested it and were very impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
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    A bit less exotic, but I have always wanted one of these.
    Very advanced for 1938- all round independent suspension, and a V-4 engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew2 View Post
    Is that the mid engined Rover V8 powered prototype? One of the mags tested it and were very impressed.
    A collaboration between Rover and Alvis.I expect it would impress journalists who came from the everyday world that included Triumph Heralds and ford Anglias,it must have seemed like a missile in comparison.The sad part about Gaydon is the evidence of so many missed opportunities over the years.




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    Not seen one of the Bats from this angle before!

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    Couldn't resist this pic of three Bats in a row....
    I think the nearest one, Bat 9, is the most successful design; it was the last of the three built.

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    I have wondered whether the BATs begat this or if it was the other way round.




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    Bat 5, 1953; Bat 7, 1954; Bat 9, 1955.
    Nibbio 2, 1957.

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    A cyclecar from the US- kinda cute too.
    A 1914 Trumbull.

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    Here are 2 that Pete would have loved to see.
    Austin 10/4 Cabriolet, Austin 16/6 Pass & Joyce Coupe
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    This forum was off line for about a week, for me at least. When it came back it was in text format. It finally got to normal but still some photos are not showing such as my last post. One of the photos is missing. Fred

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    Hmmm, after sending that last message the photos are all showing now. ???

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    Got two pics from the start, fred.
    Anyway, one more special bodied Austin- Swallow coachwork on a Seven.
    And we all know who Swallow morphed into.....

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    I have to smile when I see the cowl vents on the Swallow bodied Sevens.

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    This is the Seven's German cousin,the Dixi and we know what happened to that particular company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Meachen View Post
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    This is the Seven's German cousin,the Dixi and we know what happened to that particular company.
    We do?

    If it were "Dixie" an American could come up with all sorts of answers.
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    Dixi-cups?

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    The US did build the Austin 7- pic below.
    The American Austin company started in 1929 and went bust in 1934. It re-emerged as American Bantam, and the company went on to develop the first Jeeps. They lacked production capability, so Willys finished up with the big contract. Google will tell you what became of Dixi- a rather more successful story.

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