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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I do love that first black and white shot in post #61 Duncan! Where did that one come from?
    From the Drakenklasse Flickr group:

    http://www.flickr.com/groups/938202@N22/pool/

    Taken in 2012 at the Hans Detmar Wagner Cup on Lake Garda, Italy.

    Great PDF Gernot! Thank you!!

    I'll have a look at the sale notices when I get back from work tonight.

    TMP had an outing two weeks ago (first time in three months) and with a good 10 knot breeze I won my division!
    I think I'm going to try and rig up some barber haulers on the jib sheets this weekend, along with a bit of maintenance that's needed.

    Mickey, maybe the lines are for the vang and mast ram?
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    When i was young, there was a fleet in Rochester. Some even went as far as Louisiana to race. I do remember being at the Dorval Yacht Club in Quebec in 1968. I nice looking piece of mahogany had run out of wind and ended up on the rocks when she was carried downstream on the St. Lawrence. The sight was very much like looking at a victim of a bad accident. Which is what she was, actually. Never forgot it.

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    Whoops! I drifted back to my Lightning days. What I called 'barber haulers' in the post above should have been 'twings', and the twing lines are what you would normally find inside the coaming where I mentioned it. The barber haulers are a jib tension adjustment and on my boat are on the shelf under the coachroof, so they could be part of what we are looking at, but then again, who knows? I would think that the mast ram would be midships somewhere to reduce friction. On my boat I did not have a ram, so I rigged a mast puller like we have on the later Star boats, but it didn't work that well. In all honesty, my telephone pole-like mast ain't moving that much, even at the tip. I have a very early alloy mast from the '70's, and it is quite stiff (he says with a smile on his face. 'stiff' is an extreme understatement). I have sailed on two wooden Dragons that did not even rig runners, and I once sailed mine with a broken runner, and there was no difference in the mast on either tack.

    But I don't imagine that Doomernik has that problem.

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    Dragons in Ireland in 30 knots of wind, 2012:

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    They will take 30 knots. I have been out in 30 in mine, but I broke some stuff. The Cleveland guys tell tales of racing in 40 knots, but I am not doing that. If they say 25 I will leave the harbor, but I won't be enjoying myself very much, thinking of the check I am going to be writing later.

    Duncan, I have changed my tune on the thing about the Bilge. You were definitely correct about moving this thread, and I am with you in that I really just don't need to go there any more. A few people I will miss, but just reading through the thread titles is mighty damn depressing. Too depressing, in fact. The world is a sad enough place without adding to it in any way if it's avoidable, and I won't.

    Thanks!

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    Tonight's entries nicked from an old thread of yours Mickey... Pictures from Ingo in Kiel, Northern Germany and some proper camp cruising Dragons!







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    wasn't this a bilge thread???
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    It was indeed Paul! I thought better of its location after my response to a particularly pusillanimous and vile post was given censure and the said post wasn't. I've been back there twice since, and then only briefly.
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    And tonight's shots come from the Netherlands and a different time. These are all wooden Dragons:





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    I see German, Dutch and Belgian boats in that top shot, so that must have been a pretty big event. Does anyone recognize that venue?

    Thanks, Duncan. I am getting to the point where I look for this thread as soon as my eyes open each morning!

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    Here's a little something to assist the daily wake up Mickey!







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    Wow. Just 'wow'. My boat looks like a piece of junk compared to that. Geez. Now I am depressed.

    Thanks, Dunc.

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    Cheer up, Mickey, you don't have to maintain all of that brightwork.
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    My boat IS a heap of junk compared to that boat: Very well built junk, but needing many hundreds of hours before I can even think about actually sailing her, let alone having her look like this German boat... Yeah! So cheer up!
    I've got a few more like that waiting in the wings for this thread.
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    Such work is always admirable but ...... I have to say, it doesn't say 'take me sailing' to me! But we're just not used to the idea of boats that are out of the water, being revarnished etc., for many months every year.

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    Most Dragons are pulled from the water after each race and live on the hard in class specific cradles, and I wouldn't think a Dragon would take much work to maintain as opposed to vessels of similar lengths but larger displacements. I was able to sand the entire hull of Looe back to bare timber in three goes. Having said that Looe's hull will be glassed and painted white and bright work will be limited to coamings, cabin sides, small bits about the boat and significant parts of the interior.
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    That's almost exactly how mine is set up, Duncan. I would love to do a teak deck one day, but I probably won't. Too much to worry about in our sun.

    Oh, but my hull is red. White bootstripe. Black bottom. White coachroof, with varnished coamings and coach sides. The interior is varnished. Sort of.

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    We need a photograph of your boat in this thread Mickey: You do know that, don't you? Email me one and I can post it for you.
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    Dunc, I am not sure I own a photo of my boat. There ws one floating around that Harry Miller posted some time ago when we were racing together, but I don't know where to find it. We will be racing the next couple of weekends after this one and maybe someone will do something on Facebook.

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    I'd love to see some shots of your boat Mickey. Be sure that someone is at hand with a good camera and an eye for the shot when you do sail next. I'd be most appreciative!

    Prince Phillip's Dragon is still afloat and sailing on:



    I need to actually sail on a Dragon one of these days and see how many of these actually get pulled:

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    They all get pulled. It's a very 'active' boat. My youngest daughter has sailed with me on the Dragon, 210, J/24, a couple of other boats. The Dragon is by far her favorite because she is always doing something. Like most young people she'd rather be busy than not.

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    I keep waiting for someone to chime in that they are hooked and are getting a boat! Lots of good'uns for sail at www.nadragons.org, at Woodwinds Yachts, and other places. The British Dragon Association has a stack of them listed, along with my buddy Ernst Cancrinus in the Netherlands.

    I have to tell you that this thread has really given me a warm fuzzy feeling about the class and boat that I have loved for so long. They are quite beautiful, aren't they?

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    I just go down to the shed and gaze at Looe thinking that, even her dilapidated and semi deconstructed state, she really is a stunning boat to behold. I am thinking that the day I relaunch her will be amongst the happiest of my whole life. I'm glad this thread has given you a such a kick Mickey, and here's hoping young Ben gets a boat and soon!
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    Back to the shed Duncan !
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    That was the plan Peter, but as you know my health was lacking, but should hopefully return for a crack at it in a fortnight's time.

    In the meantime...







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    Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Poul Richard Hoj-Jensen won the first race (UK). Ulli Libor 2nd (Switzerland). Markus Brenneke (Ger), 3rd (with Star class Olympian Marc Pickel as crew). Top Australian was Marcus Blackmore in 33rd. I did not realize my old friend Robert Alpe (Aus) was sailing in this fleet. Robert was 1st VP of the Dragon class when I was trying like crazy to get some support for an event of some kind in North America, and he was easily the most supportive of any of the class officers (although everyone was sympathetic, I don't think anyone really knew HOW to support us). Robert is a really good guy, and I am happy to see him getting to sail another major event like this.

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    Robert Alpe was critical in helping me get Looe up here, insofar as he sourced the trailer that I was able to borrow for the job. I must get back in touch with him when he returns. John Moncrieff, who is sailing from the RFWYC over in Perth, is a classic owner IIRC. When I was having a big chin wag with Alwyn Jarman, who built Looe with his dad 51 years ago, told me that John restored his old wooden Dragon and promptly went out and won every race he sailed her in.
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    Tell Robert I said 'hello'. He will get a kick out of that.

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    Tonight's shots are from my home city of Melbourne at the 2011 Worlds on Port Philip Bay:





    This one was sent from Sweden to Melbourne for the event:





    The bathing boxes are a Melbourne icon, once slated for demolition can now fetch a hundred thousand dollars or more.

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    Great shots, Duncan. There was a little controversy over having that event in Melbourne, as the Europeans were strongly in-favor of having it in Sydney (or not having it anywhere outside of Europe). The Aussies had to hold their ground, as I recall.

    The Dragon World's are a relatively new event, and was created to try and spread the bigger events around to places like Australia or North America, since the Gold Cup is always in Europe. But as time has gone by it seems that more and more often even the World's are somewhere in Europe. The last time there was a World's regatta in mainland North America was (iirc) in 1991, in Toronto. They held one on the island of Martinique at some point, and called that our turn in the rotation, though very few North American boats participated (because of the expense). Now they are talking about having a World's in Barbados, though I have already begun protesting that idea. If you want to have a World's in North America why not Toronto or Vancouver or one of several great places instead of somewhere we can't haul our boats and participate?

    When I was trying to get international support for a Dragon event the class was all in favor of it, as long as it was in Newport or Marblehead. The best I could offer was New Orleans and the idea sort of died on the vine. Oh well. I'm not dead yet. Something positive can still happen along those lines. The Australians remained more active all along and never really lost their place at the table, and I am happy to see the fleet so healthy and active there once again.

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    I think the fact that Prince Phillip's boat Bluebottle won bronze in the 1956 Melbourne Olympics on Port Philip Bay may have played it's part in securing the venue.

    At any rate I've heard the event was rated as a terrific success.
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    40,000 will get you this lovely, 2001 cold moulded lady from Petticrows, with trailer, covers, sails, fenders...









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    Very nice boat. I'd love a chance to drive her.

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