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    Hi Duncan. The unscratchable is going from the current owners house 100 metres to the marina hard-stand on Wednesday where it will be anti-fouled and launched with ceremony on the 28th (a long weekend here). Ive booked a berth until Easter so I can take her sailing whenever I get a chance.

    The excitement is off the scale. I flew there today to check out measurements for the engine bracket (spartan) and a flag pole socket (and stroke it). The other day I picked up my large fenders from my catamaran and added felt covers for them. I'll be back there Tuesday

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    Hell! I'd add red velvet covers to the fenders!

    I'm not jealous! Rooly and trooly!
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    Today: ran new fine tune runners on the glass boat, put a coat of varnish on the tiller for the glass boat, scrubbed the woodie from top to bottom and began de-rigging her for the trip to the shop. She will get her damaged stem (we hit something big a couple of years ago and have some damage at the waterline) repaired and the red top sides spray renewed. Hope to put the rig back in the glass boat next weekend.

    Also did some varnishing on my Fish class boat. A busy day.

    Oh yeah, I repaired the yacht club push mower and cut around the Dragon. And I got a new tiller extension for the glass boat.

    Mickey Lake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    Did my 'insane' comment kill this thread? Phil? Is the unscratchable yacht nessled up at home yet? RSEG? Is the 'I've got to scratch this dragon totally before giving it an unscratchable coat of paint nessled up in you workshop yet?
    Yes, it is! In the good old days (when you had to adjust your tie before sailing) dragons were all white. (image courtesy of draakzeilen.nl showing one of her sister boats)
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    We gave her a quick dunk today between trailer and cradle for antifouling to check waterline and leaks. On the 28th we do it for real
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    Hey Mickey Lake,
    I'm off Island for a few days but when I get back I'm going to dig through my pictures and see if I can find some of Scarlett back in the early / mid 80's ...........what a great boat!!

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    We saw a bunch of Dragons when we were in Dournenez last summer. I thought some of you guys might want to see pics.



























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    Some will see this as sacrilege but where I sail has a strong tidal flow between the marina and the sea. At least, being removable, while sailing, nothing is visible. It's the Spartan bracket.

    Outboard by Philip Hart, on Flickr
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    My wooden boat came with a bracket but I have never used a motor. I do carry two good paddles with me.

    Steven, Dournenez is a real Dragon hot spot this time of year when the Northern Europeans are frozen in. They have some major events there every winter.

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    The Dournenez regatta held in May has attracted smaller numbers over the last couple of years. There were over 100 Dragons when I raced there about 14 years ago. It used to be an IDA Grade 1 event but has now lost that status.

    At this time of year most folk are heading to Portugal and Cascais.

    Tim

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    Didn't one sink at the Portugal event last year? IIRC I found a shot or two of it going down. Did they find it and raise it Tim?
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    I don't know what the rules say about it, but I have heard stories of them sailing on the Great Lakes in 40 knots. That is a little too rich for my blood. I really don't enjoy racing in anything above 20 knots. Odd, because when I was just starting out and it was someone else's boat I thought heavy weather was great fun.

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    Racing starts at our club later this month. It'll soon be time to dust down all our kit and get the boats rigged and ready.

    An initiative we are exploring is for our national association to buy a loaner boat, which would spend a few weeks at our key fleets, allowing keen sailors the opportunity to come sailing with us and experience the Dragon. Hopefully a good few of those folk will become Dragon owners.

    So if you find yourselves in the UK this season, let me know!

    Tim

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    If your fleet can afford it that sounds like a great idea, Tim.

    Mickey Lake
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    I'm loving the Dragon. In fact been sailing so much I haven't had time to do the jobs I wanted to do like make a padded bag so the engine can be stored easily below while sailing. I need to clean it's bottom too. Half the time I sail it by myself hence the slides and auto helm. It's quite a tricky harbour to get out of with a 7 knot tide at times

    Sadly in 3 weeks it will be put back on it's trailer for winter :-(



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    Gorgeous!
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    Pass into nothingness; but still will keep" - John Keats

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    She is a beautiful boat.

    I have my woodie taken apart for her trip to the shop. I am doing some exterior varnishing and will paint the deck before I take her in to get the collision damage repaired (we hit something heavy in a race two years ago). Our first Dragon race of the year is the 22nd of April, in the glassfibre boat. Hopefully this year will not be as frustrating as last, with all of the breakdowns.

    Mickey Lake
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    Martin, your boat looks awesome. My woodie has been in the shop for a long time and will take some work to get her back together.

    My glass boat is currently for sale.

    Mickey Lake
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    Hi. I would like to see more images. I am working on similar "problem" for one year now. (see earlier posts and www.27-29.de) Greetings from Germany
    res severa enim gaudium

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    Hi, I have just moved the Dragon into the shed after having in my yard for the past 5 yrs or so. I now finally have the time to work on her. Her name is 'Scampi' 1962 Borresen, KC 102, she along with 'Serendipity' represented Canada in the 1964 Olympics. She's not in too bad shape for her age, right now I'm in the process of lifting her off her keel.

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    I'm very sad to report that my 1955 Børresen, Tip, has serious termite problems. I found out last summer after she arrived from Toronto. The keel is infested, nearly al lthe ribs are paper shells, the deck has soft spots. Most all of the planking is good/great however. I have mitigated the infestation and she has been sitting until I decide what direction to go. I think we are going to remove the ballast, flip her over, and use her as a mold to make local FG versions (which are making quite a few changes to). After we sell a few of these, the funds will partially go to her full restoration. As such, we are taking great care to preservere and not harm her as much as possible.
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    Geez. The boat came down infested? Man, I am so sorry to hear you.

    Mickey Lake
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    Quote Originally Posted by bamamick View Post
    Geez. The boat came down infested? Man, I am so sorry to hear you.

    Mickey Lake
    Indeed. I was heart broken and mentally apraliyzed by the realization. There is no way it got infested and that much damage occured in a matter of just a few months from when I made the purchase to when it arrived in Anguilla, even if it did take me a couple months to arrive back on island to inspect. There was a block of wood that was under the keel of the boat on the trailer and that appears to be the source of the infestation. The first time I got inside I could easily crush many ribs with my finger tips they were so thin and eaten away. Same for much of the keel above the ballast. The entire structure is fatally compramised. I also could literally hear the little bastards munching away and even crawling in the bildge. I was devastated. We ended up using diesel as approriate and funimgating the entire hull shortly after. That was last summer. I guess that's why she was only $5K with trailer. I'm not saying the seller knew about the termites as the boat had been in storage for a couple years and had not been in the water during that time prior to my purchase, but I'm positive that little beasts had starting eating her away during that time.

    She lives under her boathouse we constructed and survived the direct hit by hurrican Irma without so much as a scratch. She does make for lovly eye candy in my backyard tho. Attached is a picture of how to sites right now.
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    1955 Børresen Dragon Class, "Tip"

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    That's rotten luck, excuse the pun.

    If you are serious about building up GRP boats, might I suggest that you discuss your plans with Tim Tavinor at Petticrows? Tim is very approachable and would be able to give you much sound advice, all of which would help you to make informed decisions about building Dragons. I'm sure you'll find him encouraging and helpful.

    Tim

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    Thanks for the suggestion but we are planning on also making some changes in the design to give it a more "local" flair so to speak. In the end, very little will be applicable to a true Dragon, if anything. The idea is to build them as an alternative to the flavours of local race boats, which is 100% by request and demand surprisingly. As such we are making them wider than a Dragon and with a different stern.
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    Pass into nothingness; but still will keep" - John Keats

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    Will they still have a full keel?

    I know that the Antigua fleet races only with working jibs (or they did. I have no idea what has survived of that fleet). That being the case, and looking at what you want to do with the boats, why not just buy old E-22's and import them? There are probably tons of them sitting around needing new homes.

    Where was it they used old J/22 hulls and put a modified deck on them? I love the aesthetic beauty of almost every Johan Anker design I have ever seen, but if I were starting from scratch a full keel is not the direction I'd go.

    Mickey Lake
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    IMG_7032.jpg

    This is what we have been sailing in recently. Lovely 'big' Dragon!

    Tim

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    Awesome, Tim. She is beyond words.

    I am getting geared up for a hip replacement and once that is done we will see. My boatbuilder has not fixed my woodie, but I haven't had a bite on my glass boat so I can sail her once I get my ailments straightened out.

    Mickey Lake
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    Sorry to read that Mickey. Hope it all goes well.

    The boat is a Spirit 46 by Spitit Yachts of Ipswich, UK. They compete in the Spirit of Tradition category at Panerai Classic regattas around the circuit. We are doing Cowes this year in her.

    Strip planked, double laminated, epoxied then Awlgripped. We went to the yard and they have a 111 foot one in build currently. Greatc craftsmanship.

    Tim

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