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    Just because...











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    One more for good luck!

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    Yes Looe can be like that!!!

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    Looked over a Pettigrew the other day. EEK!. where are the winches? the runner winches? why are there lines everywhere? what's that funny hatch in the front for? why is the coachroof so low?

    Snowgoose [K127 A&R] had runners on a slide which you tensioned up by hand before putting in a tack, and whacking the other off with a bit of wood/ You had to crawl to the bow to clip on the spinny turtle. and gather in the genny once on a run.

    The wooden masts used to break regularly. Dad looked forward to rebuilding 3 or 4 every winter and kept a half dozen 'blanks' ready to go [I wonder where they are now?]. Dragons, along with Seabird Half Raters and assorted 30squares and WSODs kept us going all winter.
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    Why are you dragon such a nice bunch of boats down into the murky depths?
    (Thanks! )

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    I felt the place needed some Ankering as it was a bit too drifty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    I felt the place needed some Ankering as it was a bit to drifty.

    (No problems! Happy to oblige! )

    Shouldn't that be "Happy to obilge!"?

    How is it that a Dragon thread has been up for several hours without Mick noticing?

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    Well, because I honestly don't do the Bilge that much these days. Too many boats floating about in my head for that, but I do so appreciate Dunc stepping up and injecting a little culture into this place.

    The first boat in the second lot of photos is a Doomernik or I am an Etchells sailor! Absolutely beautiful artwork, Doomerniks!

    My boat got splashed last weekend for the first time in two years (major structural work, my dad's illness, my crew's illness, etc), and she will be raced a couple of times in September. Really looking forward to it. I have a little rigging to do and some rig tuning, but she should be ready.

    Thanks, Dunc.

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    Nice thread. Seems some keep them in the kitchen!

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    Big kitchens they must be Skipper!

    Quote Originally Posted by bamamick View Post
    The first boat in the second lot of photos is a Doomernik or I am an Etchells sailor! Absolutely beautiful artwork, Doomerniks!
    Is that the latest thing Mickey, with the rather truncated traveller atop the barney post? I would have thought a longer traveller gives you more options to position the boom?

    When will you get a sail in Mickey? And is there anyone whose able to be there to take and post pictures?

    Meanwhile for those that rarely step upstairs, here's mine in a stitched together series of three shots as of this morning:



    And a normal shot:

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    The traveler like that is because some people are using four crew now and that allows people to move around.

    I will sail her in a couple of weeks. You never know about photos. Maybe?

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    Yep. The four-in-the-boat thing seems to stem mainly from so many lady drivers coming along, especially in the UK. Of course, Sandy Anderson won the Aussie Nationals a couple of years ago and she is most certainly a lady, but this seems to be a coming trend, and many of those boats are using four crew. Personally I would hate it. The boat is actually pretty easy to sail with two, with the roller furling and 'chute launcher, but to hold it flatter and have it go faster three is better.

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    I really like your shed Duncan.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Yeah, I do too. But there's probably a bloody great toad in there just waiting to spit on someone, isn't there?

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    No toads! Just chickens... Friendly ones at that.

    How much of the traveller do you use Mickey? Are the Doomerniks' travellers less useful because of their shortness?

    I had a look at their web site and they seem particularly proud of their Barney posts.
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    That's Prince Phillip in his Dragon, with a young Charles up front, isn't it Gareth?
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    Hey.... don't worry about the dragons.... here in Oz, we have things that bite the heads off giant crocodiles....



    .... actually, I tell a lie... that was in South Africa
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Dunc, you use the traveler a LOT! As a matter of fact, the Australian gentleman who sailed with us in Cleveland was traveling to weather even in some breeze. I didn't completely agree with how much weather traveler we were using but it was interesting. I do know that if you center your traveler in light air you are going to get killed.

    After coming from the Star class I didn't know much about that, but got schooled in it pretty quickly on Lake Erie. We rounded a leeward mark in first once in a dying breeze and by the time we crossed again we had lost something like six boats. I started spying on the other boats and we started pointing a whole heck of a lot better once I saw what they were doing. That's the tough thing about being an 'independent' member. The guys who race these things week-in and week-out do this stuff as second nature. The first day we ever raced against other Dragons we did pretty well with a couple of thirds (iirc), but when we got in one of the guys from the fleet came by to explain to us that we had all of our sheets run wrong.

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    More is more!



    Interesting! Twin winches!











    Still wondering how effective such a short traveller is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    That's Prince Phillip in his Dragon, with a young Charles up front, isn't it Gareth?

    Is it 'Bluebottle"?
    We don't know how lucky we are....

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    I wish I could answer that about the short traveler, but the four-crew system seems to be working for certain people. I just wouldn't be able to stand it. I would rather sail with as few people as possible (though we always carry three on the Dragon).

    I don't know about that double winch set up. Really rather unneccesary (we just use ratchet cheek blocks on the cabin top for the sheet and guy of the kite), and most certainly a pain in someone's buttocks.

    That Ridgeway looks good. Didn't they build a new one not too long ago? Looks like the deal with flying the kite away from the pole end downwind has spread to Oz? I think they are using a shorter pole to do that and just using it the way we used to use a reaching strut on big boats, as a kind of fairlead. Interesting, I think.

    77 boats in France right now for the World Cup! 13 Russian boats! The Worlds will be held in Weymouth in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to seeing how it goes.

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    It is!

    Bluebottle is now held at the Falmouth Maritime Museum on loan from the prince. She won bronze at the 1956 Melbourne Olympics.
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    I'm hoping to never run out of material for this thread...



    Crown Prince Contstantine of Greece in his ride:



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    One for when you have a spare, lazy hour.

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    One thing that the Dragoni have done that I approve of wholeheartedly is the institution of a 'Corinthian' class at major events. Something that I wish we would do is to dedicate a 'classics' division such as they have in the metre boat classes. How you'd divide things up I don't know, and I realize that up until very recently Frank Berg was winning major events in what I would call a 'classic' Dragon, but honestly, if nothing else it might be a way to encourage more guys like myself or Duncan to enter a major event with our older wooden Dragons. So far I don't see a lot of interest in this classification, but I think it'd be a good idea.

    And I hope you never run out either, Dunc.

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    Or maybe just a short and jaunty film from 1946:



    Here's the blurb from the IDA website:

    Historic film of Dragons sailing, Burnham, 1946

    In a report from the British Dragon East Coast Championship 2011 it was noted that Dragons had been sailing on the River Crouch since the early 1950s. This brought an exciting response from IDA Vice Chairman Richard Blickman who got in touch to let us know that he had film proving that Dragons were sailing in Burhnam as far back as 1946. Here for your delight and delectation is that wonderful historic footage! Many thanks to Richard for sharing this with us.
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    Saw that myself, from the forward turret of HMAS Warramunga which was either the start or finish boat, or both. I was 13, a sea scout and this was my reward for 'working' at the 1956 Melbourne games as a messenger carrying results slips at the athletics and a few other jobs.

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    This original 1936 Anker built Dragon is for sale:



    Reka DEN64 (ex NOR31).
    Asking 77,000 Euro fully restored and race ready.
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    77K euro for a restored Dragon! Wow. I think that Woodwind Yachts in Ontario has a couple of really nice used woodies, one of which was just restored not long ago. I will go see how much they want for it.

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    www.woodwindyachts.com

    $25K CAN. I think that's a pretty good price for a show piece.

    I still throw ideas around about buying one or two older glass Dragons and bringing them down here, trying to sell them locally. That would give us six in the immediate area, but two are about 50 miles away, and those guys only sail with mains and small jibs. I'd like to do it, but I am committed to the six metre project and that's where my ambitions lie. But my heart is in the Dragon, and though I may never get to sail her in a big fleet, I will always do my best by her and keep her as spiffed up as I can. I love that boat.

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    Here's two from Germany:





    Now I know about The Royal Dragon by RL Hewitt and even 1958 first editions are to had at really quite reasonable prices, but there was another tome that was published far more recently, but for the life of me I cannot think of either its name or that of the author(s).

    Rick sent me this one as a nice surprise:



    Along with the name of the recent publication, if anyone knows it, are there other books with Dragons at their centres?
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    Dunc, having someone to sail against would be awesome if you enjoy competition. You will find that it is difficult to keep your edge just sailing against other kinds of boats. Another Dragon to tune with would be awesome (and she'd be a hell of a lot better to look at while you were out sailing). When your friends see your boat out on the water odds are someone else will want to be involved, so Ian's offer might be a good one.

    The first time I traveled to sail against other Dragons I had the best crew I ever had in one of those regattas, and when we got back one of them promptly bought a Dragon (an older glass Borresen). It's for sale now, and I really wish someone from around here would buy it so we could do some racing against each other. And if someone did, maybe we would figure out a way to get another boat down here.

    Please keep this thread alive. I can't tell you how much it is meaning to me these days.

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    Markus Wieser totally in command at the Gold Cup with a 36 point lead with one race to go! He won the 5.5 metre Worlds earlier this year in Curacao, and he is about to add another Dragon title to his resume.

    Those Ukrainian boats sure are fast.

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