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    Beautiful work, John.

    The details in the mast have me really admiring your handiwork.

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    Ever since the hull was flipped, I have been looking at a mildly unfair region in the sheerstrake, and mulling how to address it. The spot which has been getting my attention is aft, where the 9 mm bulkhead which forms the front side of the lazaret stops at bench height. There is no sawn frame above the bench level to spread the top two strakes. It is subtle, but one of those things that would have been an annoyance to me if I just left it alone. The picture isn't great, but the pencil points to the low spot of the flat area:
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    I initially thought that I'd insert a temporary spreader, then attach the rub rails. As I thought about it, the inner layer of the gunwales are made up of two 3/4 inch thick laminates. While FV recommends installing the middle layer in three sections for ease of fitment, a full length piece would be a strong batten to provide a powerful spring to bring the errant strake into a sweeter line........
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    Although it was fussy business to get the length exact and the beveled cuts where the inner gunwale meets stem and transom, it worked a charm to spring the flat spot into a better line.

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    I used a bit of cut off from the rub rail to check the top edge of the inner gunwale was at the proper height as it was epoxied into place.

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    All my glued lap boats (no frames or ribs at all) always had squiggly spots along the sheer. inwales and outwales always put things perfect.
    With temps in the teens today, I would imagine that you've got your shop heaters on full blast to help the epoxy cure.
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    John, that's brilliant to use the inwale as the batten to spring the sheer...since you pinch the ends in with the tight fit, you actually push the sheer out, the low spots. In almost all cases, I find that the rubrails do the same effect, but right at the ends of the inwale they don't so much. Good going.

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    With the clamps removed, I was relieved to see that my strategy for springing the sheer worked.....with that off my mind, it was time to go to work on the rub rails. Plenty of detail work here! I started with a scrap of the rubrail, which I used to make a pattern for the finish pieces:

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    Better to nibble my way to correct on a scrap than make a mistake on the finished work piece.......
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    A decent fit, ready for epoxy at this end of the rubrail, except for one detail......

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    At the transom end, I did not make a pattern, but simply scribed to fit in place and made some careful cuts with a Japanese saw......

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    Back to the bow for that last detail I referred to before. The rub rail is an inch deep, top to bottom. I tapered at the bow, to a final depth of 3/4" to keep the rubrail in better visual balance with the top strake, which is pretty narrow where it joins the stem. To get the tapers the same port and starboard, I clamped them together side by side and upside down on the stronback, and planed/spokeshaved till I was satisfied. With that complete, it was time to epoxy them into place.

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    Tapering the rubrails might seem like a little thing, but it makes a big difference to the discerning eye. Will the thwarts and trim be epoxied and painted or just painted, perhaps stained?
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    I am thinking that topstrake and gunwales will be Petit "Brightwork brown", possibly transom as well, and seats, floors, and spars coated in Deks Olje. Hull interior will be Petit "sand tone". An attempt at a varnish free finish in keeping with work boat roots.....

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    The "sand tone" will be easy on the eyes on a sunny day. The Deks will look great on the larch. Sometimes, I think I'm nuts for using so much varnish on my boats, but I just can't resist. At least I'm not varnishing the outside of the hull this time as I usually do. Your boat is being built for some hard core voyaging, whereas mine is for afternoon sails around the lake. Therefore, the workboat finish on yours is a great idea.
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    I think a bright finish can be stunning.....But I tend to take the view that applying finishes is often my last, best opportunity to ruin an otherwise perfectly adequate bit of woodworking--I just never feel confident that I can control the variables enough for consistently good end results....varnishing well is a not so minor art form, in my book.

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    Lovely work John, crack on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John hartmann View Post
    I think a bright finish can be stunning.....But I tend to take the view that applying finishes is often my last, best opportunity to ruin an otherwise perfectly adequate bit of woodworking--I just never feel confident that I can control the variables enough for consistently good end results....varnishing well is a not so minor art form, in my book.
    My varnishing jobs are best looked at from 10' away.
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    Before putting on the "third rail", there was a bit of work to do. The middle layer of inwale was attached with silicon bronze screws through the planking, tying it to the rubrail:
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    Next, I drilled from the top down into the bulkheads, to fill an epoxy plug which will be re-drilled for screws holding the rail to the bulkheads. Those will be countersunk and plugged.http://

    The twinn screw clamp was just insurance that I didn't split the ply of the bulkheads while drilling.....

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    At the forward end of the inner inwale, there is a bird's mouth to fit snugly to the stem. Due to the curve and sweep of the sheer, it's an interesting set of compound cuts.

    Before glue up, I radiused the inner exposed edges with a small Japanese style edging plane--it's a 1/8th inch radius.

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    The completed gunnel will be 1" thick, and 2 & 1/4" wide.....very strong.

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    Here is the image of the radius plane which I managed not to upload in that last post......

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    Looks great! When I scrolled down to the pic of the interior in post 563, I let out an involuntary "whoa-ho." Now THAT'S a boat!
    "near it, a small whale-boat, painted red and blue, the delight of the king's old age."

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    Thanks for the kind words, Falcon. I am starting to get seriously excited at the prospect of getting her on the water this spring!

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    John - Your radius plane caught my eye. At some point in the future, I am going to need to put a 1/2" roundover on the chine of my Lightning build (forward half of the boat). I am not skilled enough with my router to try to do that free-hand. I was wondering if your radius plane would be a good candidate for that job? If you think it would, please provide info about the plane and where I could pick one up.

    Thanks, Mike

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    Mike, the little ebony radius plane is a Lee Valley/Veritas item. If you want a larger radius than 1/8th inch, there is a company called JapanWoodworker that makes one that cuts both 1/8th and 1/4 inch radii. Before I purchased the little veritas plane, I used a very small squirrel tailed plane to do chamfers which I rounded with a sanding block. It worked, but the radius plane does a beautiful job quickly and easily.

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    The epoxy has cured sufficiently to get the clamps off the gunwale. It is still cold out, so My garage is cool enough that the epoxy cures slowly. I will give it several days more to cure before I start smoothing and final cleanup. With the clamps off, the gunwale shows sensuous but muscular lines:
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    And the flat spot that had me concerned is flat no more:
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    I also began work on fitting quarter knees. I used some of the locust which has been in my shop since I did the outer keel for these. The kit came with a pattern, which I laid out along the grain this way:
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    After cutting and cleaning up a bit, the face which meets the transom was scribed and cut. The fit is pretty good.
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    Hanging the quarter knee beneath the gunwale is per Francois Vivier's plan. It simplifies installation, and allows for an epoxied joint as well as screws through face grain for reinforcement

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    "The fit is pretty good" Pretty good??? It's perfect! Is the hole simply for a dock line or is it for some part of the running rigging? Those gunwales look like you could dance a jig on them.
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    Rich, the holes will likely be where I tie off a line to act as a mainsheet traveler, though I have been letting the mainsheet set up roll around in the back of my mind without actively thinking about it for a while now.....that set up will probably be a simple rope traveler, with the mainsheet running from a block w/ becket at the clew to a single block on a bull's eye on the traveler, back up to the block at the mainsail clew, snubbed around a thumb cleat, and then to hand.....that is just an off the top of my head description, some details may vary as I get it sorted out.....My balance isn't good enough to dance a jig on that rail, but I am confident that it is good enough to plant my latter end when hiking is required......the rail will certainly be strong, and I think wide enough to be a comfortable perch.

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    If the quarter knees also act as a base for the mainsheet traveler, that may be why FV mounted them under the inwale. They'll be a lot of upwards strain on that piece of wood. Mounting flush with the rail wouldn't give it half as much strength.
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    I began work on the foredeck today. Frst item of business was cleaning up the epoxy squeeze out which was drooling from the underside of the gunwale, then making patterns of luan, which were later transferred to the 3 boards which comprise the foredeck. Those began the day as rough sawn 5/4 stock, of the same batch of larch that I used for floors, thwarts, and benches. I planed those to 22 mm thick, transferred the patterns, and we were off to the races.....
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    Installed, it will look like a simple flat sawn bit of planking.....
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    But the fit requires bevels on the front surface which mates with the stem, and the surfaces which rest beneath the gunwales......

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    The aft most board of the three required some thought so that final installation will go smoothly.....there is a bulkhead that it is notched around, and it will be supported from below by elliptical supporting brackets which also notch around the bulkhead, and which are glued/screwed through the topstrake......the end you are looking at was left with a full notch intact, the other end is shaped so that the plank can be swung into position past the bulkhead:
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    The finished foredeck willalso be tied together fore and aft with 30mm by 50mm carlins 320 mm long.....these will also serve as the attachment points for the bronze mast clasp, which will be through-bolted top to bottom.

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    Truly stunning, John. Thanks for the inspiring posts.

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    Working on the supporting backets for the foredeck. These were parts of the kit, CNC cut of 3/4 ply like the bulkhead. The edge face which will be seen has had a 3mm mahogany lamination epoxied on to prevent edge grain exposure. Like most everything in this part of the boat, everything is beveled:
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    Or curved:
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    And once everything is in it's permanent home, will look something like this:
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    Curved lines is what I love about boatbuilding. Being a carpenter, everything in my career was nothing but straight lines. Boring....
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    Lovely workmanship as always, John.

    Does the foredeck itself get epoxied or screwed to the structure? I assume it must be solidly fastened in some way as it looks like it will function as mast partner and breasthook.

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    Dave, the elliptical supports will be epoxied to the inside of the hull, and screwed through from outside. I am mulling options for the fastening of the foredeck--the boards are 5 1/2" wide, which is wide enough that there will likely be some seasonal movement as moisture content of the wood changes.....I am leaning toward a flexible epoxy like West G-flex, with screws through the gunwales into the foredeck. I might also use silicon bronze bolts, maybe 10-24 (3/16ths) in place of screws, figuring the bolts would be stouter than the screws. The rig is big--120 sq ft in the mainsail, so the foredeck will be handling substantial loads

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    The gunwale has cured to the point where I can begin clean up. A quick going over with a Shinto rasp, first coarse, then fine, followed by a random orbit sander with 80 grit, and we are looking much tidier:
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    I will go over it at least twice more with the random orbit sander at 100, and then 120 grit before encapsulating with epoxy and paint.
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    While I was working with the Shinto rasp, I spent a little time on the stemhead....I had left it in it's very rough post-assembly state until now. It was very big, and very rough. It was what Jimmy Durante would have called "a shnozzola".....I may accentuate the curve of the top face a little bit more, but not until I have looked at it for a good long while first.....

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    I stared long and hard at my stemhead before the final cut. Made it a bit lower but pretty much the same profile as the design. I'm still pondering whether to drill a hole in it for a painter or not. John, the hole in yours... is that for a painter?
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