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    http://[IMG]http://i1166.photobucket....jpg[/IMG]Greetings, All--
    Last summer I built my first wooden boat, a cedar-strip Peterborough skiff which I modified for sail and oar use. It was a great experience, and so much fun that I am trying my hand at a glued lapstrake boat. It, too, is a sail and oar design, though decidedly more in the sail end of the spectrum. The boat is Francois Vivier's Ilur, which comes as a CNC kit from Clint Chase in Portland, Maine. Above is an image from the designer's website

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    Here is another view.http://

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    The kit arrived on a pallet,, with CNC cut strakes ready for finger jointinghttp://

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    Sorry about the orientation thing.....I will work on this for future posts to avoid inducing vertigo......

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    Nice, gotta love Vivier's designs!
    "The enemies of reason have a certain blind look."
    Doctor Jacquin to Lieutenant D'Hubert, in Ridley Scott's first major film _The Duellists_.

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    No orientation problem here, looks like a great boat.

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    Nice. Standing lug?

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    The boat I am building will have a balanced lug--though there doesn't look to be a significant amount of sail ahead of the mast. There are several rigs Vivier has designed for the hull, including a lug sloop. The balanced lug is around 130 square feet, and the sloop 150 ft sq.....that rig can also be set as a balanced lug without jib and a sail area of about 118 square feet.

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    As the pieces come together, I am struck by several aspects of the build so far. The first is that the CNC cut parts fit to extraordinarily close tolerances. The next is that a very large portion of what will be sawn frames, bulkheads, seat and floor supports, and flotation chambers are built in from the get-go, and won't need building in after the hull is flipped. Jhttp://

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    This, to me, is a remarkable marriage of high tech manufacturing and very thoughtful design.....the interlocking parts are epoxied and/or filleted together, and I imagine the whole will be immensely strong when complete.http://

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    Here is an image of the balanced lug rig, from Francois Vivier's website.http://

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    Before epoxying the stem into the superstructure, I am using it as a pattern to laminate the cutwater. Fourteen layers of mahogany, 3mm thick, and 50 mm wide. I covered the forward surface of the stem with duct tape to prevent permanently bonding the cutwater to it at this point.

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    http://[IMG]http://i1166.photobucket....jpg[/IMG]

    this very nice piece of doug fir will become the inner keelson.....one teeny little pin knot in a work piece 13 and 1/2 feet long, 6 inches wide, and the knot is fortuitously in a bit of timber that will be hogged out for the centerboard slot....I love it when things work out that way.

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    Here we go.

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    Looking good! Perhaps next summer, when I finish my Hvalsoe 13 glued lap, we can get together and sail around a bit.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Whereabouts in VT? Good to see another woodchuck on the forum

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    I am on the western slope of the Greens, in Chittenden (the town, not the county)....it is a stone's throw south of Brandon.
    Rich, that would be great! How is your shoulder healing up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John hartmann View Post
    I am on the western slope of the Greens, in Chittenden (the town, not the county)....it is a stone's throw south of Brandon.
    Rich, that would be great! How is your shoulder healing up?
    & another stone's throw north of Rte. 4. Not to mention about 30 miles (as the crow flies) from me.

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    Very nice John, looking forward to seeing your Ilur progress. I like Vivier too. Glad you are choosing the boomed balance lug, rather than the boomless standing lug. I wouldn't want the sheeting problems, or the sail folding up on me like in that last photo. Ilur looks like a big, burdensome hull.
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    Yes, just the thought of losing hold of the mainsheet and block as you swap from one thumb cleat to another while coming about makes me want to duck! But I guess folks who are used to that set up probably feel the same about having a boom swing back and forth over their heads......http://
    It is a burdensome hull, to my eye both powerful and handsome. It also seems big for a 14 and 1/2 footer....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    & another stone's throw north of Rte. 4. Not to mention about 30 miles (as the crow flies) from me.
    So, you are somewhere along the arc of Mt. Holly-Bridgewater-Bethel-Randolph-Middlebury?

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    Almost - on the Appalachian Gap. It might be 35 miles or so....

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    I'm about 40 minutes south of you in Mt. Holly. The shoulder is healing but still in a sling for another two weeks, but I'm bored out of my mind not being able to do anything. If you want company, give me a shout and I'd love to come see your project.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    That would be great, Rich. Work will be calling me away for several days over the holiday weekend, but then once the keelson is on, it will be time to begin planking; pretty good for three weeks into the project! I'll send along a PM to get you directions here in the near future.

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    Fitting the keelson.

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    The slot for the centerboard still needs final cleaning up before epoxying the keelson into place.

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    Aft, there are mortices in the keelson aligned with an inner longitudinal stringer which will accept tenons to place the skeg after planking.

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    I marked out the centerline before I cut the keelson to shape so I'd have a reference line when the keelson is beveled to accept the garboards.

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    When I am tired from shift work which gets me home very late (or very early, I guess, depending on how you look at such things) , I avoid power tools completely. Hand tools like planes and spokeshaves are safe and when well set, a pleasure to use. Here, beginning to shape the centerboard. It is 40 cm wide, and 110 long, but only 18mm thick, too thin for a foil cross section. Vivier calls for a half round leading edge, with a taper over the aft edge to 5-6 mm, hopefully enough to prevent vibration. Plenty yet to do on it--glassing the perimeter with fg bias tape, skinning the sides in dynel/epoxy/graphite, and fitting a 5/8" bronze pivot.

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    Think I'll taper my centerboard the same way. My design has no details on that. Good idea about no power tools when tired, although I've had my hand plane try to bite me once in a while.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Thanks so much for posting these pics. Ilur is such an excellent boat.

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    You are welcome. I am very excited about the build, and as it progresses, I am repeatedly pleased by one neat and elegant design solution after another. I was initially a little concerned by the fact that the extensive planset is partly in French, which I cannot speak or read. My concern has been unfounded. The plans are exquisitely detailed, and the combined resources of the planset, detailed drawings, and carefully chosen images on Vivier's website make the plans beyond extremely complete. My sense is that Vivier has set the kit up for people who learn visuallly, which is great for me. The build has progressed faster than I would have expected, and has been very satisfying in the thoroughness of the kit design and materials preparation. To top it off, both Francois Vivier and Clint Chase, from whom I purchased the kit, have been readily available to respond to questions along the way.

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    I like the Ilur that you posted with white planking and bright finished sheer strake. I wonder if that's a plywood CNC cut plank, or if the builder made a solid wood plank for the sheer?

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    Yes, it is a striking and classic paint scheme that I like very much. I don't know if that is a ply or timber sheerstrake in the photo.
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    I once saw one of vivier's boats going together from a set of his plans, no kit, and was extremely impressed by the thoroughness of the detail. It was a lap strake and every plank had dimensions to cut it out from the stock and apparently there was very little trimming when they went on the boat!! Vivier even did a layout for free of all the planks of a laid deck on this particular boat.

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