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    The new flicker (and google pictures) sites give links that are hard to embed... I'm not sure if photobuck is doing this now also...

    The trick, and it's not simple anymore, is to look at the link and edit it...

    for flicker when you ask for a link to embed you get this ---> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/27276881@N00/3215993561/in/dateposted-public/" title="Perfect Beach"><img src="https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3304/3215993561_5e4ed1c00c_z.jpg" width="640" height="428" alt="Perfect Beach"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    which doesn't work: but if you wrap img tags around the highlighted bit, or use that as the link when you use the add img function, it works.

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    For Flickr, use the "bb code" option not the embed option from the image share dialog. That will give you the correct [img] tags. It still adds a second link with your user name and the image title but that's easy to remove.

    Edit: You can paste the bb code directly into the body of your post - you don't need to use the image insertion dialog.
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    Default Re: Pirate ship finally out of the garage and ready for rigging.

    Amazing build!

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    Yes, this is what my friend Pete experienced in this past June's TX 200. He has the 6 hp Tohatsu on a Welsford Pathfinder. At the Port Mansfield jetties, they attempted to go through the land cut leading out to the gulf: directly upwind with an incoming tide and they were pushed back even at full throttle. Granted, it was blowing pretty good that day (I have read). Otherwise, that motor moves his boat around pretty smartly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dryfeet View Post
    The good news is that the 6 hp outboard will give you a lot longer range for getting home. The bad news is that if 'home' is pretty much upwind in much over 15kts true, it will be a very long slog...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoMan View Post
    Yes, this is what my friend Pete experienced in this past June's TX 200. He has the 6 hp Tohatsu on a Welsford Pathfinder. At the Port Mansfield jetties, they attempted to go through the land cut leading out to the gulf: directly upwind with an incoming tide and they were pushed back even at full throttle. Granted, it was blowing pretty good that day (I have read). Otherwise, that motor moves his boat around pretty smartly.
    This is great information. Thanks for sharing. I'm installing a motor well for it this winter under the stern cabin seating, and will probably leave enough room for a future upgrade in HP if the 6hp proves inadequate. I'm 90% sure the Tohatsu 6hp long shaft is what we'll be going with unless something new is learned.

    ****My second question revolves around the motor well itself, and the best way to make sure it is strong and watertight. A fellow Michigan boatbuilder used smooth duradak 2 years ago to line his motor well, and swears by its durability and waterproofing. He just sanded the entire bottom of his plywood sided boat and covered it with smooth duradak after prepping the wood (xylene sound right?). He did this because of the rocky shores by his cottage, and general small leaks that were annoying. I'm very interested to see how that one goes...

    Thanks again for your input on the motor. It is sincerely appreciated.
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    The 6 hp Tohatsu arrived today, and my Dad and I are working through the best way to mount it via a motor well under the stern cabin seating. I am going to download the tapatalk app and see if I can post a couple pics of the present stern. Always appreciative of constructive advice


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    The top pic shows the present mounting of the 2 electrics in their raised position. The plan is have both of them, along with the outboard, exit under the waterline via the well. It should improve the appearance some, along with creating the ability to add stern gunports. Always a bonus...


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    Default Re: Pirate ship finally out of the garage and ready for rigging.

    So cool, are you Tin Tin fans by any chance? She looks like the Unicorn.

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    So nice. I wonder what it would take to get a fleet put together.
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    I have made bravo comments here before but, I should like to add that the workmanship, on building this boy's dream ship, warrants a twenty one gun salute as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woxbox View Post
    So nice. I wonder what it would take to get a fleet put together.
    You are very kind, Guys. Once this winter's updates are finished, I would love to build a larger one. Could probably go another 10' in length and still be trailerable in Michigan. That would be a lot of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lothar4550 View Post
    You are very kind, Guys. Once this winter's updates are finished, I would love to build a larger one. Could probably go another 10' in length and still be trailerable in Michigan. That would be a lot of fun.
    After some sound advice, we decided to add a 6hp outboard in a motor well under the stern cabin seating. This upcoming spring our goal is to sail Grand Traverse Bay, and along the coast of Lake Michigan if the weather serves. If everything with the outboard proves out, we will trailer Fang down to Marco Island, Florida.

    I will post a couple of square sail pics my son took, and a 12lb nautical potato cannon. Sorry about the lack of "at sea" pics.....it is hard to take them of your own ship while on the water.

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    Great to hear all about it and really looking forward to the pics.

    For at-sea pics, you just have to jump overboard and let the ship sail away some distance, then the crew can practice man overboard manouvres while you wave frantically back. Or you could use a dinghy to be safer.

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    And yes, the 12 pounder potato cannon really fires. May 300 yard range, but it still has an impressive whoomff. Adding a little white flour gives it a nice visual effect for the kids and onlookers.


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    Great project! Can't wait to see some underway photos! Maybe some videos too if we're lucky? I'd love to see some close-up shots of the rigging details: how the yards are hung, etc... It looks to me as if you went to great pains to make the rigging as accurate as possible, rather than just being a facsimile or a simplified version of the real thing. She really looks beautiful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by riversailor92 View Post
    Great project! Can't wait to see some underway photos! Maybe some videos too if we're lucky? I'd love to see some close-up shots of the rigging details: how the yards are hung, etc... It looks to me as if you went to great pains to make the rigging as accurate as possible, rather than just being a facsimile or a simplified version of the real thing. She really looks beautiful!


    Thank you very much. We've done as much as possible to keep to the 17th century look, while trying to simplify the setup/takedown process for launchings. It is really just a bunch of little puzzle to work out, and is half the fun.

    This summer we would like to get into some stronger winds to test her out. I have some experienced sailers that usually go aboard with me, and their insights are invaluable. I myself am not that experienced; the building/creation is what brings half of the fun.


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    That is awesome!! I cant wait to see some at sea pics!

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    In consideration of the outboard motor under the stern seating, make sure that any exhaust fumes will not be able to fill the area if it is an enclosed space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    In consideration of the outboard motor under the stern seating, make sure that any exhaust fumes will not be able to fill the area if it is an enclosed space.
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    Jay;

    There is a large opening in the quarterdeck directly above the outboard motor well for venting; the motor manual says the same thing you do for safety purposes.

    As this is my first ever gas outboard, do you have any thoughts on where to locate the 5 gallon plastic gas tank, along with the 12 volt battery? The manual is silent on this, but my "instinct" is saying to separate them and also provide them with good ventilation.

    Thanks for your thoughts. Always appreciated.



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    You'll cause mayhem towing that down the freeway!

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    Recently built a potato gun with the kids. I found putting the BBQ sparker on the barrel like that allowed blow-by due to the round tube and flat sparker body. Placing it on the end (breech) allowed a flat surface that seals better. Risk of burning your hand as the explosion blows past the sparker was our concern.
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    I'm jealous and awed at the same time. Fantastic work. Hope you and your family enjoy it for a long long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lothar4550 View Post
    Jay;

    There is a large opening in the quarterdeck directly above the outboard motor well for venting; the motor manual says the same thing you do for safety purposes.

    As this is my first ever gas outboard, do you have any thoughts on where to locate the 5 gallon plastic gas tank, along with the 12 volt battery? The manual is silent on this, but my "instinct" is saying to separate them and also provide them with good ventilation.

    Thanks for your thoughts. Always appreciated.



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    Not being able to see the plans places me at a bit of a quandary other than to say that the tank might be placed where it is simple to access, safe if it spills and both the battery and tank should be placed as close to the center of moments as possible for weight distribution and balance. Don't forget that they should be away from sail storage, and clumsy feet. You look to be doing just fine without my chatter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    Not being able to see the plans places me at a bit of a quandary other than to say that the tank might be placed where it is simple to access, safe if it spills and both the battery and tank should be placed as close to the center of moments as possible for weight distribution and balance. Don't forget that they should be away from sail storage, and clumsy feet. You look to be doing just fine without my chatter!
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    Ha! Thanks, but I am extremely humble when it comes to new things involving boating of any type. The building is great fun, but at the end of the day my overall sailing experience has a lot of room to grow.

    I may post some internal cabin pics and see if you guys have any opinions. The bunks had to be redesigned and raised to accommodate the outboard.



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    Ah Yes, some interior photos would be nice to see!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    Ah Yes, some interior photos would be nice to see!
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    Here are a few below. The one above I mistakenly added because I have keyboard issues. We temporarily removed all of the stern cabin bunks, tiny galley, etc; Everything basically, inside the stern cabin in order to install the wells and motors. Once everything has been placed, the plan is to have fold down bunks on the port and starboard sides, with a fold down captain's seat over the 6hp center outboard area. The biggest factor will be making sure everything is easily reachable with little fuss, and ventilated.

    Here (above) is an external showing all 3 motors in down position, which will probably never occur other than at the initial launching.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lothar4550 View Post
    Here are a few below. The one above I mistakenly added because I have keyboard issues. We temporarily removed all of the stern cabin bunks, tiny galley, etc; Everything basically, inside the stern cabin in order to install the wells and motors. Once everything has been placed, the plan is to have fold down bunks on the port and starboard sides, with a fold down captain's seat over the 6hp center outboard area. The biggest factor will be making sure everything is easily reachable with little fuss, and ventilated.

    Here (above) is an external showing all 3 motors in down position, which will probably never occur other than at the initial launching.



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    Here is a view down from the quarterdeck opening into the motor wells. The 2 outboard electrics are mainly for maneuvering in and out of dock. They'll drive her easily at 4 knots, but the outboard was added because I just wanted a safety factor in case we got offshore, in a bad spot, etc. The 6hp was what was recommended.





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    The electric head were removed and the wires extend up to the captain's seat above. That allows the person on the helm to never have to look away from a forward view.


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    These are the last couple of the motor area. The next step is figure the best placements for the outboard battery, and the 3 gallon fuel tank. Thanks for any input.


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    If you have an AGM or other sealed type battery, it can go anywhere, although keeping weight out of the ends of the boat is a good idea, as is keeping it low. The gas tank needs careful placement. It must be in a ventilated area and it needs to vent away from all enclosed spaces. If you buy a standard portable fuel tank like those 6 gallon molded things you can pick up anywhere, it should be on deck. They are not designed to be placed below deck in any way. This is an area where you don't ever cut corners.
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