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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    From Boatbuilding, page 56, Plate 2. Lines of a 36-Foot Modified Sharpie

    Ok you are right. I lost my copy of that book some years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilberj View Post
    I lost my copy of that book some years back.
    what?!

    it may well have been influenced or inspired by clapham, it seems though that most of the clapham designs were ketches and yawls - i can't recall a schooner. . .
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    What a lovely thread. There are some gorgeous schooners here.

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    How about Garden's Rainbird? Too big? Still an awesome boat:







    Anyone have any sailing pics of her?

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    bamamick's longleaf pine sharpie schooner, about 40' loa; biggest centerboard i've ever seen in my life. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    She's a Susan but a bit different......
    She is American Eagle I believe.She belonged to Dodge Morgan.I was on board her many years ago.Dodge told me she was originally a Malabar Junior that Murray Peterson had re-designed.She was the basis for the Susan.


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    ^ That looks SO INVITING!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    another small one..




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    Can't remember her name, but she's an LFH "Joanne" design, isn't she?

    I gather you have knowledge of some of "Jersey Lily's" history. I only knew her briefly, not long after Robin Harris built her. She's a Bill Garden "Toadstool", so I imagine she's a reasonably smart sailer.
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    She's a custom boat cap. I forget the name of the man who built her and then reconfigured her into that ... she's small, much smaller than you imagine.
    Joanne is substantial boat ... 45 ft on deck ? something like that anyway. There was a steel one on the hardstand at the same time as Jersey Lily and when I bought waione in 1983.

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    Aha! The steel one you mention is the one I was thinking of - I think.

    Obviously I'm going to have to corner and interrogate the owner of "2"
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    Lives in Jacks bay BOI?, very well known man , I've never met him so I can't remember his name but I did have some info on him on a thread way back. That photo would be .. errr whenever we got line honours in the tall ships regatta.. 10 or 11.

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    I just lost a whole post.. dang fingers. ... no I didn't...ah well.

    He's a well known man from Jacks bay Cap. I can't remember his name but I did have some info on an old thread in 2011 sometime .





    That year we came across this boat rounding cape Brett, I always thought she was a Joanne.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    Here there is enough room below for practical off shore cruising and enough space on deck for handeling sails in an uncrowded manner.
    This seems to say you are considering things other than the applicability of the rig, and therefore it works against your conclusion.

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    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    A boatless inlander, searching for the meaning of life-aground.

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    enough strings for you? or are you holding off for a square top sail schooner?
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    Took a sequence of this one dropping sails after coming in to Maple Bay










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    lovely boat jim - thanks for posting it
    i really appreciate the aesthetic its low freeboard provides
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    It looks like it may be the Chappelle schooner. Is she local Jim or from other parts?

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    No idea where it came from, other than from the north entrance to the bay. Not the sort of boat you see very often. I think the pics are from a couple summers ago.

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    Originally Posted by Jay Greer
    Hope there there is enough room below for practical off shore cruising and enough space on deck for handeling sails in an uncrowded manner.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jammersix View Post
    This seems to say you are considering things other than the applicability of the rig, and therefore it works against your conclusion.
    Actually, not so! This is one of the biggest reasons that small boats are less suited to a schooner rig. The prime consideration for the NA in mast placement has to be the boat's sailing ability. On a shorter schooner, this results in large bits of vertical timber in places that aren't ideal for interior and deck layout.

    This is, in fact, a prime consideration for the applicability of the rig, and is a strong support for Jay's conclusion!

    You can deal with the interior by having deck stepped spars, a solution that I don't really like; but the only way to clean up the deck is to move one or both of the spars to a location that is better for use of space and a compromise in the boats sailing. I don't really like this approach either.

    Nobody is trying to say that small schooners are bad. They can be beautiful, fun to sail, and they have all the same strings to play with that big schooners have. If you've never sailed a big schooner on a golly reach with a good breeze, you've never experienced the true advantages of the schooner rig.

    My love of schooners is no secret around here, but if I fall in love with a boat much less than 40', it's probably gonna be a sloop or a cutter.

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    the schooner Valora is (was, she was lost in 2010) began as a design for a 20' catboat, she was stretched by adding even increments to all of her stations to 36' on deck. She retains the original catboat's beam and draft, including centerboard. . .





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    Anyone interested in traditional schooners should check out the Nova Scotia Schooner Association website.
    http://www.nsschooner.ca/

    Lots of great pictures and info.
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    you could rename that the 'heisler, mason, stevens schooner association'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    the schooner Valora is (was, she was lost in 2010) began as a design for a 20' catboat, she was stretched by adding even increments to all of her stations to 36' on deck. She retains the original catboat's beam and draft, including centerboard. . .





    I've always thought that it was a particularly interesting approach to stretch the station spacing (and also add freeboard). I haven't quite determined whether I liked the result.

    So, how was she lost? It was a pretty recent build wasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryfeet View Post
    I've always thought that it was a particularly interesting approach to stretch the station spacing (and also add freeboard). I haven't quite determined whether I liked the result.
    I like the result, i would prefer a different layout and accommodation than the center cockpit for passengers - but that was part of her daysailing charter brief

    Quote Originally Posted by Dryfeet View Post
    So, how was she lost? It was a pretty recent build wasn't it?
    broke loose from her mooring and was dashed against a breakwater
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    I think the larger cockpit for the passengers amidships is about right for the intended purpose.

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    of course
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    I believe Stimson Marine is laying the keel for another schooner soon, which is meant to fill the void that Valora's fate created. New design. Slightly bigger than Valora was I think.

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    My pal Dave Baxter still has the topsail schooner "Leiberschwan" he built over fifty years ago. Although not all that swift to weather, she is a gorgeous sight when running down wind with all her squares set! Once a stunning sight in S. CA she is now berthed at her Daves home on Orcas Island where his facilty is available for tie up and rented cabins. Dave is a spar maker by trade as well as a good boat builder.
    http://lieberhavenresort.com/photo%20album.htm

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    Does anyone remember and or know what happened to Sam Emms "Brigantine", ie: top sail and square rigged on the fore schooner "Rondevous"? She was about sixty feet on deck, the hull was painted gun deck red and was last seen by me in San Diego back in the eighties. She looked a bit like a Baltimore Clipper except for her greater beam and fantail stern with a monkey rail there on.
    Jay
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    John Atkin Florence Oakland:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    me too

    Fame

    Last I heard Dennis Conner f-d that classic up.

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    I don't know about him not doing the right thing for the boat. They upgraded from hemp to synthetic for cordage, added some nice kites, did structural repairs in a proper manner and the boat goes like smoking okum! Check the footos and form your own opinion.
    Jay

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