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    I'm interested in a 32 ft junk rigged schooner in Portugal. I'm wondering what it would cost to transport it as deck cargo to Australia...any idea anyone?
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    From Scandinavia it would cost around $30,000 , then there are the import duties and varies fees and charges.
    Including land transport charges when it gets here.
    Is it near a shipping port in Portugal ?.
    Who would make up the cradle ?.
    That is with a specialised boat transporter , I don't know how you would go getting it on any old cargo ship going to Aust.
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    Yikes. I was thinking it would be a lower number. I know someone who has imported boats as 'roro' freight (of course this boat has a trailer) and it wasn't very expensive. But that was from Rotterdam to New York.

    $30K is a bit of a tough one for transport costs.

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    If it would fit into a standard container (internal dimensions: 39' 4" ft long, 7' 7" wide, 7' 9" high) then it would be less costly to ship. But I'm guessing it's too broad in the beam, and likely too deep as well.

    Could you find an Oz yachtie outfit that's shipping a racing craft back and get a break on the cost for helping to fill the shipment quota?

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    It's a good question, but not the right one. The real question is, when do we leave?

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    Sailing it back is an option but not one I would take lightly. My offshore experience is basically nil.
    This I should point out is at best a logistics and costing exercise. I don't have the money yet and may not for another 6-12 months, if I'm lucky.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Understood, and I was being a fair bit tongue-in-cheek

    Good luck with the search and investigation Gary, it does look to me to be a worthwile design.

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    Duty I think is around 5% of purchase price and GST around 10% which is calculated on purchase + transport costs. Rough enough guide for your estimates I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnno View Post
    Duty I think is around 5% of purchase price and GST around 10% which is calculated on purchase + transport costs. Rough enough guide for your estimates I think.
    With some of the overseas prices that could quite acceptable.
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    I've been offered a JR rigged Challenger 35 in Spain, sans rig and needing cosmetic (fibreglass) work below the waterline. Lower priced and the seller is even willing to wait for the money...shame I don't have any.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Sailing it back is an option but not one I would take lightly. My offshore experience is basically nil.
    This I should point out is at best a logistics and costing exercise. I don't have the money yet and may not for another 6-12 months, if I'm lucky.
    There's only one way to gain offshore experience Gary and I'm honestly not talking tongue in cheek.

    I have an enduring memory of a comment by my favourite nautical author, William Crealock, which had a significant influence on me. It was in answer to a question after his first book ("Vagabonding under sail" - after which I named my TS16) asking essentially how he managed to loose the shackles of shore and head off on his sailing adventures.

    His response was along the lines of: "You need three things to go sailing on a world adventure, a yacht, finances and experience. Of those, the only thing you need to actually leave is the yacht, the rest you can gain as you go". Granted that was said in the late 1940's/early 50's sometime when things were somewhat simpler and less expensive, but I can attest to the fact that the experience is what you gain along the way.

    If you are blessed with good common sense, a healthy respect for the ocean and good practical skills (all of which we know you are) and if you have a well founded yacht that you are confident with and if you are careful with your passage planning and timing and if you do not try to meet deadlines, there is really no reason why you should not start watering the seed in your mind which is obviously already sown, of buying a vessel abroad and starting your world cruising from somewhere else than Australia.

    And if that doesn't get you thinking, remember that there are plenty of guys here and on other forums with offshore experience enough to help.


    I know this is an exercise in logistics and costs, but I say this to give you a cost comparison option, ie imagine how much cruising you could do for a 30k transport fee.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    There's only one way to gain offshore experience Gary and I'm honestly not talking tongue in cheek.

    I have an enduring memory of a comment by my favourite nautical author, William Crealock, which had a significant influence on me. It was in answer to a question after his first book ("Vagabonding under sail" - after which I named my TS16) asking essentially how he managed to loose the shackles of shore and head off on his sailing adventures.

    His response was along the lines of: "You need three things to go sailing on a world adventure, a yacht, finances and experience. Of those, the only thing you need to actually leave is the yacht, the rest you can gain as you go". Granted that was said in the late 1940's/early 50's sometime when things were somewhat simpler and less expensive, but I can attest to the fact that the experience is what you gain along the way.

    If you are blessed with good common sense, a healthy respect for the ocean and good practical skills (all of which we know you are) and if you have a well founded yacht that you are confident with and if you are careful with your passage planning and timing and if you do not try to meet deadlines, there is really no reason why you should not start watering the seed in your mind which is obviously already sown, of buying a vessel abroad and starting your world cruising from somewhere else than Australia.

    And if that doesn't get you thinking, remember that there are plenty of guys here and on other forums with offshore experience enough to help.


    I know this is an exercise in logistics and costs, but I say this to give you a cost comparison option, ie imagine how much cruising you could do for a 30k transport fee.....
    An exceedingly valid point Greg. My biggest sticking point is Kerry, she doesn't want to know about Somali pirates or the Aghulas Current. However as I said to her, by the time we are ready to step up to a bigger yacht we will have acquired some coastal experience and should be more confident.
    This all a very new idea as of last Sunday and I'm considering things here I would not have believed last week.
    Last edited by WX; 02-05-2013 at 10:59 PM. Reason: wrong new
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    You'll be very surprised how quickly an idea can grow.I started fostering my idea from Alice Springs by doing a coastal nav' course through WA Maritime College and got a few friends in Alice to do it at the same time.......worth doing for Redwing anyway.
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    Join the local coastguard or whatever Gary.
    They will help you with the Nav course , and it is free.
    Do what I did , do a radio operators course , and get the CG licence.
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    Its easy Gary... just keep the coastline on your left until you pass Cape York, then turn right and keep it on your right.

    Incidentally, I had dinner at the club last night with a mate who sold his boat to a guy from Tassie recently. The guy didn't seem too up on it... killed a $3,500 battery bank on night one by leaving everything on... got up to a dead system in the morning.... then he busted his hand by tying on to a bollard and crushing his hand because it was in the rope loop. Set out for Tassie, left in bad weather against advice I believe. Left Eden and ran into 70 knots winds and waves bigger than the Fatal Storm ones of '98, according to the chopper pilot who rescued them (who'd done '98 too). Boat didn't sink... insurance company kept spotter planes on it and got a recovery crew on board. Methinks you'd be a bit smarter than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Its easy Gary... just keep the coastline on your left until you pass Cape York, then turn right and keep it on your right.

    Incidentally, I had dinner at the club last night with a mate who sold his boat to a guy from Tassie recently. The guy didn't seem too up on it... killed a $3,500 battery bank on night one by leaving everything on... got up to a dead system in the morning.... then he busted his hand by tying on to a bollard and crushing his hand because it was in the rope loop. Set out for Tassie, left in bad weather against advice I believe. Left Eden and ran into 70 knots winds and waves bigger than the Fatal Storm ones of '98, according to the chopper pilot who rescued them (who'd done '98 too). Boat didn't sink... insurance company kept spotter planes on it and got a recovery crew on board. Methinks you'd be a bit smarter than that.
    Probably smart enough to know that you wouldn't come back to The Tweed from Portugal via Cape York with the coast on your left.
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    I wonder if you could find such a thing as a junk rigged Carbineer......????? 'twould make a good liveaboard for you.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    There's only one way to gain offshore experience Gary and I'm honestly not talking tongue in cheek.

    I have an enduring memory of a comment by my favourite nautical author, William Crealock, which had a significant influence on me. It was in answer to a question after his first book ("Vagabonding under sail" - after which I named my TS16) asking essentially how he managed to loose the shackles of shore and head off on his sailing adventures.

    His response was along the lines of: "You need three things to go sailing on a world adventure, a yacht, finances and experience. Of those, the only thing you need to actually leave is the yacht, the rest you can gain as you go". Granted that was said in the late 1940's/early 50's sometime when things were somewhat simpler and less expensive, but I can attest to the fact that the experience is what you gain along the way.

    If you are blessed with good common sense, a healthy respect for the ocean and good practical skills (all of which we know you are) and if you have a well founded yacht that you are confident with and if you are careful with your passage planning and timing and if you do not try to meet deadlines, there is really no reason why you should not start watering the seed in your mind which is obviously already sown, of buying a vessel abroad and starting your world cruising from somewhere else than Australia.

    And if that doesn't get you thinking, remember that there are plenty of guys here and on other forums with offshore experience enough to help.


    I know this is an exercise in logistics and costs, but I say this to give you a cost comparison option, ie imagine how much cruising you could do for a 30k transport fee.....
    Noted also Greg, I may be a bit older before I can cut the ribbon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Probably smart enough to know that you wouldn't come back to The Tweed from Portugal via Cape York with the coast on your left.
    You've done pretty much that trip, haven't you?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    You've done pretty much that trip, haven't you?
    Not back from Portugal, no, I've not crossed the Pacific nor the Atlantic. But turn left outside Sydney Harbour and keep the dirty bit on your left until you get to Darwin? Yes, a couple of times, North and west etc after leaving Darwin, more than a couple of times.
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    Here's something in Maryborough...
    http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-...gazelle/115859
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    O boy, you've no idea how fast this idea is growing.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnno View Post
    Interesting! Don't write off steel for a cruising and liveaboard boat Gary, it'll bounce through canal locks, onto beaches, sandbars and unmarked reefs, against dodgy piers and wharves and against anchor dragging and poorly moored yachts much more forgivingly than anything else. Just gotta keep the paint up to any damage.
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    My first choice would be fibreglassed ply, 2nd choice fibreglass, 3rd choice timber, 4th steel and lastly fero. Timber is 3rd only because I feel traditional timber is a fine art.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnno View Post
    Doesn't seem an unreasonable price for what you seem to get Gary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Doesn't seem an unreasonable price for what you seem to get Gary.
    The price is too high and I don't want a stayed rig, also she's a bit too big for my taste. Colvin has a thing about stayed junk rigs and it cripples one of the best aspects and that's the ability to square off 90 degrees to the mast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    I've been offered a JR rigged Challenger 35 in Spain, sans rig and needing cosmetic (fibreglass) work below the waterline.


    For those hail and hearty fellas who are suggesting Gary just cup his gronicles and sail her home, the little bold part above may make the trip home rather exciting.



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    bloody spell predict...."don't right of steel" meant to read "don't write off steel"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    bloody spell predict...."don't right of steel" meant to read "don't write off steel"
    there is a type of steel Peter S mentioned that is some what hardier than the usual.
    Peter L, I would be able to re rig her in Spain. Light pole masts from the Netherlands and sails from the UK. I'm chasing up internal shots and if possible a list of gear still on board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    I wonder if you could find such a thing as a junk rigged Carbineer......????? 'twould make a good liveaboard for you.....
    A Carbineer! Now I do have experience of two of those!
    Last edited by brucemoffatt; 02-06-2013 at 05:56 AM. Reason: typos again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.L.Lenihan View Post
    For those hail and hearty fellas who are suggesting Gary just cup his gronicles and sail her home, the little bold part above may make the trip home rather exciting.



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    The "unwritten" expectation is that he and Kerry would park themselves in Portugal for six months or more having a fat old time exploring Portugal and Spain while preparing the boat........ahhhhh....I can just picture Kate and I ......errrr...... I mean Kerry and Gary ticking off their check lists and planning their provisioning over bottles of Vinho Verde and Moscatel while nibbling on Queijo de Serra and bolacha......
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    I see....so there is food for the monster after all. Fantastic! And very exciting too, in a far off, too far to help sort of way. What a trip!

    As for the steel, would it be Corten or cupronicle? Corten is very good, cupronicle.......the stuff of gods!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    The "unwritten" expectation is that he and Kerry would park themselves in Portugal for six months or more having a fat old time exploring Portugal and Spain while preparing the boat........ahhhhh....I can just picture Kate and I ......errrr...... I mean Kerry and Gary ticking off their check lists and planning their provisioning over bottles of Vinho Verde and Moscatel while nibbling on Queijo de Serra and bolacha......


    Oh! The popper's life then it is! Well in that case, perhaps the boat needs a keel too.Can take a very loooong time to gather up that much lead.

    Oh, and by the way, move over a bit will ya, Nat and I can hardly bend elbows much less reach for the cheese......



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    Just had a look at a couple of Carbineers, do they come in lengths shorter than 46 feet?

    If this trip happens I plan to see a lot more than Spain and Portugal. I've always wanted to drive from Lands End to John O'Groats without going on a single major road while sampling English ales and of course the scotch further north.
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    BTW I don't think I had thought of the food. At 60 it's my favourite 4 letter word.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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