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    Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:41am PST

    A hooked marlin sinks a fishing boat? Well, something like that

    By: David Strege



    A fisherman off Panama was battling a huge black marlin when the battle took a turn for the worse. The fish sank the boat.

    Or as Marlin Magazine put it on its Facebook post, "Marlin Wins!"

    Not all the details are in, but apparently the captain began backing down on the huge fish, a common practice in big-game fishing when a fish is taking line. He puts the boat in reverse to chase the fish.

    One commenter on Marlin Magazine's Facebook post who apparently had some knowledge of the incident said that the captain fell as he was backing down on the fish at full throttle. The boat took on too much water and, finally, there was no correcting the situation.

    Marlin Magazine reported that the boat went to the bottom of the sea and everybody on board was rescued by the photo boat. And, of course, the fish got away.

    More photos as the boat sinks and the fish continues to jump:



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    Default Re: Hooked marlin sinks boat

    Marlin: 1

    Humans: 4,650,997,847,692,983,740.

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    He must have been holding the throttle lever as he fell. No experienced fishing skipper backs down on a fish at full throttle on purpose. Yes its unsafe, but beyond that, nobody can reel that fast so you end up running over the line and cutting it with the props.

    Too bad.

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    I'm guessing the rudder went over as well, and the boat heeled far enough to the outside of the turn to put the corner of the cockpit under.

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    Its a bit simple of them to state the marlin got away. Not with 1ooo m of line ,a rod and great big penn or similar attached it didn't.

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    gamefishing:its another cruelty to animals type activity disguised in the name of 'sport' that should be stopped. i hope his boat sank to the bottom and cannot be recovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernadette View Post
    gamefishing:its another cruelty to animals type activity disguised in the name of 'sport' that should be stopped. i hope his boat sank to the bottom and cannot be recovered.
    I agree
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    It's a stand-up flyer, so the skipper was likely standing with his butt against the dash, helm neutral, keeping the stern to the fish with the throttles. As he slipped you can see from the pix how he'd easily catch something - shirt tail, elbow, whatever - enough to gun the engines. To throttle back he'd have to get turned around, something that's just not on.

    Sport fishing today has quite a few ethical strikes against it besides animal cruelty. Think of the astounding waste of fossile fuels and the attendent 'carbon footprint'. In the summer of '66 I was a mate on a charter boat at Montauk and was frequently lent out by my captain to Frank Mundis - legendary shark killer, real inventer of post-war charter industry, and Benchly's model for Quint in "Jaws". In his sunset years, Frank became an ardent conservationist who figured that he and the rest of humanity had done more than enough harm to Mother Ocean in the name of manly sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernadette View Post
    gamefishing:its another cruelty to animals type activity disguised in the name of 'sport' that should be stopped. i hope his boat sank to the bottom and cannot be recovered.
    Ok, but now can someone here please describe "ethical" fishing.
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    So the green and white blob tumbling off the flying bridge is the skipper going head over heels?

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    Firstly, it's for food.

    Our human understanding of ethical killing rests mainly on the victem's ability to make us aware of its pain in death. Plants, for example, do not gain any human sympathy as we dig potatoes or harvest wheat with no thought of the pain a living organism might feel. Even when we move to killing animals, those that are cold blooded and mute - fish, reptiles, amphibians (frogs' legs anyone?) - just don't readily gather human sympathy.

    We don't really know if death by being hauled up in a net and dropped live on ice is somehow preferable to a fight with a hook in the jaw that ends being clubbed on the head, maybe.

    In the spirit of non-vegan non-judgement we might take it that any catch and kill method that's not about sadistic and thus knowing infliction of pain where the prey ends up being consumed is an ethical part of the chain of life and of our human role as one of the top predators.

    In that context, it's natural and human to take pleasure at doing the job well. The additional human pleasures of surmounting a challenge, danger even, and at some level of life or death conflict should be present as part of the total process. It's only a perversion if one of the ancillary pleasures utterly displaces the final goal of human survival.

    (This ethical sketch comes surprisingly close to the Roman Catholic Church's teachings on sex. Hmmmmmm. At least with sex if we do it for the ancillary pleasures and not for procreation we're not killing something in the same way hunting or fishing for a trophy does. Just goes to show that developing a systematic ethic takes some work.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    He must have been holding the throttle lever as he fell. No experienced fishing skipper backs down on a fish at full throttle on purpose. Yes its unsafe, but beyond that, nobody can reel that fast so you end up running over the line and cutting it with the props.

    Too bad.

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    The lens may be doing some foreshortening as well, but the fish wasn't that far from the boat that an aggressive chase to recover line would even be warranted.

    Boathandling error, plain and simple.
    Thankfully, calm weather and all hands recovered.

    Boat sinks, with hooked marlin attached.
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    how'd you like to have a boat sink from under you, while you were attached via harness to a very pissed off 500 pound fish???
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    paul, how do you know the fish is angry?
    that would imply that the fish is a sentinent being? (and the fisherman is aware that he is causing the marlin distress and physical harm)?

    to be fair, i reckon, the fisherman would be deadly worried. no doubt about that. and yes, given the circumstances, frightful of losing his life...................

    ...................does anyone know how what happened to the marlin? did it live? or does that not matter in this situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davebrown View Post
    Marlin: 1

    Humans: 4,650,997,847,692,983,740.
    My thoughts exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    Ok, but now can someone here please describe "ethical" fishing.
    Sure.


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    Default Re: Hooked marlin sinks boat

    And people get upset when a passing shark or croc reminds them that they're still part of the food chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    And people get upset when a passing shark or croc reminds them that they're still part of the food chain.
    They get much more upset when they remind us that we're part of the food chain.

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    It's been a long time since I have done any fishing. When I was a kid we caught blues, stripers and flounder mostly. Always ate what we caught.
    Went fishing in Costa Rica. 1/2 day close to shore. Reds mostly. Kept a few for the woman whose owned the beach house we rented, released everything else.
    Never could see the sense in burning up 500 gallons of diesel to catch and release a trophy fish.
    I don't hunt either, but I won't pass judgement on those that do.
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    I wanted to assist in clearing up the mystery of the Black Marlin and the 37 Strike.
    As you have read there are many posts and sites that contain justified and unjustified statements. Please know that this is one of those freak accidents and accidents happen anywhere at any time. We are thankful that there were fellow fisherman there and no one was hurt.

    However as the boats manufacture I feel compelled to address some posts. As some think the Marlin did not take down the boat. The transom is 3 feet high from the waterline with a 13 ft. beam and a stepped hull does not play into what happened. The engine room was not filled with water considering the engines were still running. There was not a cracked exhaust, loose hose, the boat is equipped with bilge pumps, alarms and a lower helm station. This boat has been chartering in these same waters and conditions for over two years and has backed down on hundreds of Marlin without issue or concern.
    Direct from Panama I was told that the sea conditions were not as calm as they seem to be in the pictures and the Captain was an experienced Captain. The seas were full of big swells and large waves. A large wave came over the transom and with the anglers all being in the starboard corner the boat leaned and the Captain in the tower lost his footing while the boat was still in reverse another wave came over the transom. At this time the captain slipped and believed to still have his hand on the throttle putting the boat in full reverse burying the transom into the next waves and swells. You can see how this might happen as you know when fighting a fish the Captain is facing aft with his hand on the throttles and when slipped the last thing your hand is holding onto is the throttle controls.

    As mentioned this is freak accident where no one is to blame (not even the Marlin) Guys be careful out there anything can happen…Good Fishing……
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    stability issue it is then?

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    No, I don't see it as stability. The manufacturor's remarks seem likely.

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    i beg to differ ian.
    with all the anglers on one side of the vessel, in moderate seas, either the vessel has inherant stability issues and should not have been operating in the local conditions or, the master of the vessel should have been aware of the riding characteristics of his vessel and insisted on not allowing all the anglers to be on one side of the vessel all at the same time.
    this is what started the sequence of events which lead to the sinking. a stability issue.

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    Bernadette

    Try this: It became a stability issue once the cockpit flooded.

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    Agree Bernadette! Especially when EVERYTHING goes into the chum grinder, as it usually is!
    Maybe now we can consider fishing as yet one more risk factor for underwriters and add a few hundred bucks to the policy premiums....

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    I'm glad the marlin got the better deal this time.glad the boat sank.
    And I'm glad the powerboatboat sank.
    They should all sink to the bottom - in my opinion.

    However, the picture looks strange, since there seems to be a stretched line pulling the boat under, while the marlin jumps in a totally different direction and angle to the line.
    Any comments?

    Cheers to the marlin,
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    Quote Originally Posted by petermirow View Post
    However, the picture looks strange, since there seems to be a stretched line pulling the boat under, while the marlin jumps in a totally different direction and angle to the line.
    Any comments?
    you're not seeing a line from the boat to the marlin, that's the outrigger. . .
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    > I'm glad the marlin got the better deal this time.glad the boat sank.

    Remember, as John B said in post #5, the marlin doesn't appear to "get the better deal" and was most likely dragged down with the boat (or swam away trailing heavy line, rod, etc.).

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    Well, I have been wondering about the legitimacy of the image too! Could be a hoax, so easy to make now day....

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    kevin
    its still a stability issue as to why the "cockpit" flooded.

    one has to ask: in moderate seas, with all anglers off to one side, a wave poops the stern. this destabilisers the vessel which disrupts the skippers footing which in turn causes him to fall whilst hanging onto the engine controls....and so on.

    its still a stability issue.

    the photograph shows very mild conditions. the manufacturer states the sea state was not as calm as it looks (which is often the case in photographs). so lets say they were experiencing moderate conditions as ive said before. given that the vessel has a long history of operating in the area, have they experienced near misses in the past? this is not stated. has the vessel been difficult to handle in certain and similar circumstances? none of these points are raised.

    of course the manufacturer will want to shed a good light on his product.

    with all the anglers on one side: this still remains a stability issue. so the next question i would ask, is whether or not this vessel is suited to the role of gamefishing?

    if there had been loss of life, questions of stability and the vessel's ability to carry out her intended role would be at the top of the list.

    you just cant ingnore the sinking as a matter of happenstance (?spelling).
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    You eat or otherwise use it for a good purpose, that is cool. I think most people who hate hunters and sport fisherman are OK with that - my wife is, and we both have hunted and fished for food, pretty much lived off the ocean in the Caribbean during the late eighties and the nineties......
    However, I am very sick already of this site not allowing me to post any pics, even if I reduce them in size....

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    capt joe
    i never even thought along those lines! yep! it could be a hoax.
    that would explain away a lot of the doubts....but....
    more's the pity to the individuals who have nothing better to do with their time than to concoct an elaborate series of photos....
    maybe they are animal liberationists!!!?

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    I don't know and can't say 'cause I, nor any of us, was actually NOT there Bernadette, but I ran a few fishin missions for marlin and the likes on clients' boats and you know, we always have sharp knives on hand, so, why did the line dragging the boat down, NOT GET CUT.
    Cut the line. Simple as that...... I would chew the fuxkin line with my teeth before I let a fish deep six me!
    Did you see the hoax footage of the eagle snatching the baby??? LOL.......
    If this fishstory is real, the POBs involved should be extremely ashamed of themselves.....

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    kevin
    its still a stability issue as to why the "cockpit" flooded.
    Allright, lets establish some sport fishing general procedure. When you hook a large fish, its typical to back down on it, to prevent the reel from being stripped of line, and to make the fight shorter. Backing down means popping the engine in and out of reverse gear to establish modest sternway. (Unlike in the movies and in legend, where backing down on a fish is porytrayed as some kind of full throttle backwards race). If possible, you try to get upsea of the fish, even going in forward if needed, so you can back down downsea. Once in a while, the timing of a wave hits the transom so that some splash comes aboard.

    What I suspect happened here, is the skipper was backing down and fell. As he fell, his hand was on the controls ( often single-lever aboard a sportfish). At that point the boat is now going full throttle in reverse. As you do so, a wave piles up against the flat transom. In short order this wave comes aboard, filling the boat with green water.

    That the crew was all one side would contribute.

    If the rudders were cocked in a turn it would contribute.

    We dont know any of these things. We weren't there.

    But that's what I think happened and why.

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    i would ask, is whether or not this vessel is suited to the role of gamefishing?
    I'm really not trying to pick a fight..

    The boat is a Gamefisherman 40. Cold-molded epoxy ply. Built in Stuart Florida since the 1980's. The builder's resume includes work at both Bertram and Rybovich.

    These boats are proven.

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