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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Coose View Post
    I wanna know why conservatives commit suicide at twice the rate of libertarians.
    Actually, I'm not so sure it's the conservatives that are killing themselves, although when they are running things, suicides do seem to increase.
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    Suicide and conservative rule?

    #1 by Seven_Magicians Sep 16, 2011 8:54 pm
    I've seen two separate studies now conclude that living in a more politically conservative environment pushes people towards suicide. One done by British researchers back in 2002 which is very detailed, and a more recent one done by a Columbia and Johns Hopkins' researcher on gay and straight teen suicide rates in Oregon. I don't know what it is about conservativism that is so toxic, and conservativism isn't just about gay suicide, heterosexuals are negatively affected too ... Anywho here are the studies which suggest politically conservative governments have more suicides on average!


    The suicide rate increases under Conservative governments, research suggests.
    Australian scientists found the suicide rate in the country increased significantly when a Conservative government was in power.

    And an analysis of figures in the UK seems to suggest a similar trend.

    The Australian team analysed suicide statistics for New South Wales between 1901, when the federal government was established, and 1998.


    Click here to see suicide rates under British prime ministers
    They then looked at the political regimes dominating both state and federal governments in New South Wales, which have consistently been under either Labour or Conservative control.

    The researchers took into account periods of drought and World War II, because of their economic and psychological impact.

    Suicide rates were higher during periods of drought and lower during WWII.

    But after adjusting for these factors, the figures clearly showed the highest rates of suicide occurred when both Conservative state and federal governments were in power. .....

    Interestingly, the authors point out that although suicide rates tend to increase when unemployment is high, they were also above average during the 1950s when Britain "never had it so good," but was ruled by the Conservative party.
    Overall, they say, the figures suggest that 35,000 people would not have died had the Conservatives not been in power, equivalent to one suicide for every day of the 20th century or two for every day that the Conservatives ruled.

    The UK Conservative Party refused to comment on the research.


    Suicide rates per million 1901-1998 England and Wales by prime minister
    Period Suicide rate Main prime minister in power
    1901-1905 101 Balfour (Conservative)
    1906-1910 102 Campbell-Bannerman (Liberal)
    1911-1915 96 Asquith (Liberal)
    1916-1920 85 Lloyd-George (Liberal)
    1921-1925 101 Baldwin (Conservative)
    1926-1930 123 Baldwin (Conservative)
    1931-1935 135 MacDonald (National coalition)
    1936-1940 124 Chamberlain (Conservative)
    1941-1945 92 Churchill (Conservative)
    1946-1950 106 Atlee (Labour)
    1951-1955 107 Churchill (Conservative)
    1956-1960 116 Eden (Conservative)
    1961-1965 137 Macmillan (Conservative)
    1966-1970 118 Wilson (Labour)
    1971-1975 101 Heath (Conservative)
    1976-1980 112 Callaghan (Labour)
    1981-1985 121 Thatcher (Conservative)
    1986-1990 118 Thatcher (Conservative)
    1991-1995 110 Major (Conservative)
    1996-1998 103 Blair (Labour)
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2263690.stm



    CHICAGO -- Suicide attempts by gay teens – and even straight kids – are more common in politically conservative areas where schools don't have programs supporting gay rights, a study involving nearly 32,000 high school students found.

    Gay, lesbian and bisexual teens living in counties with the lowest social index scores were 20 percent more likely to have attempted suicide than gays in counties with the highest index scores. Overall, about 25 percent of gay teens in low-scoring counties had attempted suicide, versus 20 percent of gay teens in high-scoring counties.

    Among straight teens, suicide attempts were 9 percent more common in low-scoring counties. There were 1,584 total suicide attempts – 304 of those among gays, lesbians and bisexuals.
    Hatzenbuehler said the results show that "environments that are good for gay youth are also healthy for heterosexual youth."

    The study is based on 2006-08 surveys of 11th-graders that state health officials conducted in Oregon classrooms; Oregon voter registration statistics; Census data on same-sex couples; and public school policies on gays and bullying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waddie View Post
    They get exhausted pulling the wagon while everyone else rides......

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    Ask inveterate liar Willard Mitt Romney.
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    Rod,

    I'd like to address the topic of this thread: Why do liberals lie so much?

    But first, a question for you. Do you think the thread title is an example of 'Begging the Question'... or 'Circular Reasoning'?

    Begging the Question

    The term “begging the question” is often misused to mean “raises the question,” (and common use will likely change, or at least add this new, definition). However, the intended meaning is to assume a conclusion in one’s question. This is similar to circular reasoning, and an argument is trying to slip in a conclusion in a premise or question – but it is not the same as circular reasoning because the question being begged can be a separate point. Whereas with circular reasoning the premise and conclusion are the same.

    The classic example of begging the question is to ask someone if they have stopped beating their wife yet. Of course, the question assumes that they ever beat their wife.

    In my appearance on the Dr. Oz show I was asked – what are alternative medicine skeptics (termed “holdouts”) afraid of? This is a double feature of begging the question. By using the term “holdout” the question assumes that acceptance is already become the majority position and is inevitable. But also, Oz begged the question that skeptics are “afraid.” This also created a straw man (see below) of our position, which is rather based on a dedication to reasonable standards of science and evidence.
    You see... when one's cognitive functioning is so stunted, or so unexercised (or, I suppose, both)... when one resorts to easily identified logical fallacies to make ones arguments... life gets confusing. Muddleheaded my gramps used to call it. It's easy, then, to misunderstand the truth - to think that someone is lying to you when they're not, or to be perplexed by the propaganda, and become confounded by exactly WHO is lying to you, and who isn't.

    Wishing you a speedy recovery, and better times ahead! To that end... here's some study material on logical fallacies: http://theskepticsguide.org/resource...fallacies.aspx
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    This certainly clears things up....



    Understanding Liberalism


    A lot of conservatives just do not get what liberalism is all about. Having no clue as to how any rational person can have a view like liberals do, conservatives simply dismiss liberals as "libtards." The fact of the matter is that the average liberal is just as intelligent as the average conservative even if both sides will not admit that about their opponents. Most conservatives think that liberals just do not get it, where "it" covers just about everything. Actually that is the key clue to understanding liberals. They simply have a totally different worldview from conservatives so they are operating from a totally different set of assumptions about the world and people than conservatives are.

    Here is the key thing to understand about liberals: they do not believe in evil. There is no such thing as an evil person in their view. People can be misguided or burdened by their upbringing and hence do bad things but they cannot be inherently evil. That is why liberals think that if enough money is thrown at societal problems such as poverty, poor education and poor parenting, no one will be doing bad things. Even if they are already adults and doing bad things, they can be rehabilitated and persuaded to stop doing bad things. Of course, they do understand that there are insane people who do really bad things but that is because they are sick and need the proper treatment so they will stop their bad behavior.

    This refusing to believe in evil explains a great deal about why liberals hold the views they do. Liberals are nice people who wear their hearts on their sleeves and champion the poor and downtrodden so it never occurs to them that some people just cannot be rehabilitated or persuaded to stop doing bad things. Another way of saying this is that liberals view the world as it should be and not the way it is. They have been fitted with rose colored glasses and never take them off. Once you understand this key assumption on their part, you can understand why liberals consider conservatives as cold hearted skinflints who do not give a damn about their fellow human beings and the planet.


    Conservatives just feel that they are merely being realistic and that liberals are totally unrealistic about the real world. That is why conservatives just marvel about how liberals just don't get it. Once you understand that liberals are soft hearted folks who are constantly tilting against the windmills of societal injustice even though some problems are so intractable that no amount of money and government programs will solve them. They simply do not believe that poverty cannot be cured or that there will always be a bottom group on the socioeconomic ladder even if the ladder is moved to a higher level which it certainly has been in the last few centuries. The poor of 1810 in America would give anything to be the poor of 2010 here.

    This is also why liberals are so attracted to socialism and redistributing wealth so that everyone is on an equal footing. They do not understand that even if they succeed and everyone has the same amount of money and assets that everyone would then be equally poor and not equally rich. They simply do not understand the role of incentives in human nature. If everyone is the same and any extra income is taken from a person and given to others who have done nothing to earn it, then there is no longer any incentive to do anything but the bare minimum to get by. Where is the incentive to save up money and start your own business and hire other people so that they will have a job when you know the government is going to take those savings and spend it on government programs to alleviate poverty?

    Liberals are so concerned with helping the poor and downtrodden that they do not see the forest for the trees. Conservatives understand that taxing the rich who have too much to give it to the poor who have so little is totally counterproductive to the professed goal of alleviating poverty. After all, letting the rich remain rich as a solution to alleviating poverty is counterintuitive even though it does in fact work better than any other approach. Of course, some of the rich do not help matters any by spending fortunes on lifestyles of the rich and famous instead of putting their wealth to work to create more businesses to hire more people and hence play right into the hands of the liberals.

    This refusal to accept that there are evil people even explains why liberals are not only so blind to jihadists but are so antisemitic as well. Liberals see that most Jews have an inborn talent for making money so most of them are "rich". On the other hand, the Palestinians are obviously poor and downtrodden. Hence it is a given that the members of Hamas, Hezbollah and the like cannot be evil merely because they have been brainwashed to accept the teachings of the Koran in the worst possible interpretation. No, they are merely poor and downtrodden because they are oppressed by the rich Jews. Indeed, they have even convinced most Jews that they should feel guilty about being rich and for not giving the Arabs whatever they want. That is why most American Jews are liberals.

    This even extends to a lot of Jews in Israel. There are a lot of leftist Jews in Israel even though most Israelis have found out the hard way that some of those Arabs are very evil, indeed. A lot of people understand that a suicide bomber is the very height of evil but not liberals. Suicide bombers are so determined to destroy their professed enemies that they are will to die if they can take a bunch of their enemies with them. Being willing to die in defense of one's ideals is heroic but being willing to die in an offense against women and children merely because of their religion or ethnicity is just plain evil because it is nothing more than genocide. Most liberals do understand that genocide is a bad thing so help them to make the connection between suicide bombers and genocide so they will understand that not all Palestinians are deserving of their sympathy.

    Obviously since liberals do not believe in evil, they do not believe in the dictum that government is evil, albeit a necessary evil. That is why given that rich people and rich big corporations are greedy entities that will not share their wealth with the rest of us, the liberal always chooses government as the perfect instrument to cut these people down to size. After all the government works for all of us since we choose who runs the government. The flaw here is that while the politicians make the laws and set the policies, they do not run the government. The government is run by its various agencies which hire employees to actually run the government.

    These agencies are divided into various bureaus and hence their employees work for these bureaus and are thus bureaucrats. What is worse, these bureaucrats make the rules we have to live by as opposed to the laws and policies that the politicians set. These rules are codified into the federal register. Thus it should be no surprise even to liberals that volumes of the federal register fill every last bookcase in a truly huge room. That is what happens when bureaucrats get to make their own rules. With that many rules requiring reams of paperwork it should also be no surprise that all of this tends to get in the way of accomplishing even "good" things. We have all had experience with the petty bureaucrat who delights in making us jump through the many hoops of their rules.

    Thus these rules prevented the federal government from accepting help from foreign governments to help clean up the oil spill since this help did not meet the standards set by these rules. Likewise, these rules required permits from various governmental agencies before anything could be done about the mess. These rules of the federal government create such a huge mass of red tape that a proper response to a disaster in an emergency is impossible. Liberals believe that this oil spill is a real disaster as opposed to weather related disasters that merely inconvenience residents of places like Nashville except in places like New Orleans where the residents are the poor and downtrodden.

    The bottom line is that you cannot convince a liberal to change his worldview but you can convince him that bad things are happening as a result of this worldview. Genocide and oil spills are bad things and jihadists and the federal government rules are preventing us from fixing these things. Let them work backwards up their thought chain to see in their own good time that the real problem is their first axiom: there is no such thing as evil. From this all things flow and so maybe that first principle needs to be revisited. Bad things do happen and often they are caused by bad people. Indeed, some people do such bad things that they truly are evil and that nothing you can do or say will change them.
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    Love the title of that blog. The words "wake up America" have a long and storied history in paranoid right-wing letters to the editor.

    But it's a little disappointing that instead of quoting something totally loony from it, you had to settle for a post that is nothing but hackneyed stereotypes. I'd hoped for something more amusing.

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    You see... when one's cognitive functioning is so stunted, or so unexercised (or, I suppose, both)... when one resorts to easily identified logical fallacies to make ones arguments... life gets confusing. Muddleheaded my gramps used to call it. It's easy, then, to misunderstand the truth - to think that someone is lying to you when they're not, or to be perplexed by the propaganda, and become confounded by exactly WHO is lying to you, and who isn't.

    Wishing you a speedy recovery, and better times ahead! To that end... here's some study material on logical fallacies: http://theskepticsguide.org/resource...fallacies.aspx
    Heres some non-circular logic for you.... liberals seem to lie a lot.... and to avoid facts that get in the way. Tell me... the essay in my previous post ... do you think it logical?

    Love the title of that blog. The words "wake up America" have a long and storied history in paranoid right-wing letters to the editor.

    But it's a little disappointing that instead of quoting something totally loony from it, you had to settle for a post that is nothing but hackneyed stereotypes. I'd hoped for something more amusing.
    JohnW... dont't you think the analysis of your thinking rings true to some extent??

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    Hey partner what you been smoking down there in Texas?

    From today's New York Times:
    Truth and lies. Evidence continues to emerge that Romney is one of the most dishonest, duplicitous candidates to ever seek the presidency. He criticized Obama for telling then-President Dmitri Medvedev of Russia that he would have “more flexibility” to deal with sensitive issues between the two countries after he won re-election. Romney said this was particularly troubling given that Russia “is without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe.
    However, according to a report on Friday in The New York Times, Romney’s son Matt recently traveled to Russia and delivered a message to President Vladimir Putin:
    “Mr. Romney told a Russian known to be able to deliver messages to Mr. Putin that despite the campaign rhetoric, his father wants good relations if he becomes president, according to a person informed about the conversation.”
    It sounds as though he was signaling that Mitt would do exactly what he had castigated Obama for: operate with “more flexibility” after the election.
    This is the kind of hypocrisy that just makes you shake your head in disbelief.

    And I could mention his story about moving the entire Jeep production to China...a whopper...

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    This is also why liberals are so attracted to socialism and redistributing wealth so that everyone is on an equal footing. They do not understand that even if they succeed and everyone has the same amount of money and assets that everyone would then be equally poor and not equally rich. They simply do not understand the role of incentives in human nature. If everyone is the same and any extra income is taken from a person and given to others who have done nothing to earn it, then there is no longer any incentive to do anything but the bare minimum to get by. Where is the incentive to save up money and start your own business and hire other people so that they will have a job when you know the government is going to take those savings and spend it on invading other countries ?


    I hope you don't mind that little change Rod, bye the way have you ever been to that socialist paradise Germany? It makes you wonder how they produce so many innovations and such good products .

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    JohnW... dont't you think the analysis of your thinking rings true to some extent??

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    Evidence continues to emerge that Romney is one of the most dishonest, duplicitous candidates to ever seek the presidency. He criticized Obama for telling then-President Dmitri Medvedev of Russia that he would have “more flexibility” to deal with sensitive issues between the two countries after he won re-election. Romney said this was particularly troubling given that Russia “is without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe.”
    However, according to a report on Friday in The New York Times, Romney’s son Matt recently traveled to Russia and delivered a message to President Vladimir Putin:
    “Mr. Romney told a Russian known to be able to deliver messages to Mr. Putin that despite the campaign rhetoric, his father wants good relations if he becomes president, according to a person informed about the conversation.”
    It sounds as though he was signaling that Mitt would do exactly what he had castigated Obama for: operate with “more flexibility” after the election.
    This is the kind of hypocrisy that just makes you shake your head in disbelief.
    Romney's quote:
    At the United Nations Security Council, "who is it that always stands up for the world's worst actors?" Romney asked on CNN on Monday. "It is always Russia, typically with China alongside."
    Political statements during campaigns are not direct talks with a country's leader. Romney's son's actions are only good sense when you realize Romney's business background and his ability in the past to get things accomplished. I'd say at least t 50% of the people in the country trust him.... and do not trust Obama.

    http://zbigniewmazurak.wordpress.com...foe-of-the-us/
    After Obama made his promise to the Russians that he would sell America out on missile defense and other issues after the November election, which he’s arrogantly confident of winning, Mitt Romney criticized him for that, saying, quite rightly, that Obama should not be offering concessions to America’s “Number One geopolitical foe”.

    As soon as he said that, pro-appeasement figures in DC, in and out of government, went furious and accused Romney of clinging to Cold War stereotypes and trying to start another Cold War. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev also reacted sharply, making the same claims. (Russia has officially endorsed Obama, knowing that he’s a softie whom the Russians can push around and force to make unilateral concessions.) State Secretary Hillary Clinton claimed that Romney had “dated information” and that he doesn’t know what the US and Russia agree on and what they disagree on.

    But Romney is right. While Russia is not strictly America’s #1 geopolitical foe (that dubious distinction belongs to China, whose rise is the biggest challenge to America), Russia is indeed a hostile state, based on it actions, not Medvedev’s pretty words.

    Russia supplies anti-American regimes around the world with weapons, a shield from sanctions at the UN Security Council, and oftentimes, nuclear reactors and nuclear fuel. It supports the Communist regimes in Cuba and Venezuela (and supplies the latter with tons of modern weapons, including SAMs, fighters, and rifles). It shields North Korea and Iran from serious sanctions at the UNSC and supplies the latter with nuclear reactors and fuel (which Iran is using to produce nuclear weapons). Indeed, if Russia hadn’t done that, there would’ve been NO Iranian nuclear crisis today. It also sells weapons to Tehran, as it does to Syria (where those weapons are used to slaughter civilians), whom it also shields at the UNSC from accountability with its veto....

    http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/20...ut-russia.html
    Many Democrats, some Republicans and the Russians themselves suggest that Mitt Romney is stuck in a cold war mind-set.
    I think it can be argued that Romney has a more realistic view of Russia.

    Russia is an adversary that is making bombastic threats against non threatening missile defense installations in Europe that are designed to stop Iranian missiles and would be ineffective against Russia's overwhelming arsenal.

    Russia has blocked effective sanctions against Iran and Syria. In the latter case it is still supplying weapons to the despots in Syria that are using them to kill civilians. In both these cases they see these two despotic regimes as a counterweight to US interest rather than for what they are.

    It is not a cold war attitude that motivates criticism of the Russians it is their bad anti American anti human rights policies.

    The question should be why the democrats want to pretend that their "reset" button has produced something of value.


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    So, when Romney promises to be more flexible after the election, it's a virtue, and when Obama does, it's a problem? With that kind of pretzel logic, no wonder you have a problem telling who's lying and who's telling the truth.

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    My thinking always rings true to those with the wit to understand it.
    So now you resort to personal attacks. I have stated the main reason the emails sent during the Benghazi attack had value... ie., illustrating clearly that the Obama administration deliberately lied about the "video causing the attack"... and still you persist in multiple repeats that one of the emails was not true. Don't you get it...the truth of who was taking credit for the attack or not is not relevant to the deliberate lying by the Obama administration to mitigate political fallout. They knew the story they were spinning was not true but it would hopefully make them look better with such a terrible incident happening in spite of their "wonderful foreign policy efforts".

    I hope you don't mind that little change Rod, bye the way have you ever been to that socialist paradise Germany? It makes you wonder how they produce so many innovations and such good products .



    As the other respondents have said, Germany and the majority of European Countries are what would be best described as Social Capitalists, they encourage private enterprise and private wealth creation but impose high levels of taxation in order to fund extensive social provision.

    As do many Americans, you seem to have confused Socialism with Communism, socialist in a European sense doesn't mean Communist. It simply means there is a 'social' dimension in the State.

    The UK, despite years of New Labour, is among the least 'social' countries while the Nordic and Mediterranean countries are among the most 'social', Germany is roughly in the middle.

    Germany is a Federal State similar to the US, in that it has sixteen 'Bundesland' or states each with their own parliament (they are actually parliamentary republics for the most part) which were for the most part originally independent countries, although three are actually cities, Berlin, Hamburg and Bremen.

    The separate states and kingdoms in the German locality were first formed into the Holy Roman Empire then became the German Empire after the Napoleonic War, then became the Federal German Republic after the second world war, with the last five states in East Germany joining in 1989 as you said.

    Social Federal State just means a Federal State with a large social sector.
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    So, when Romney promises to be more flexible after the election, it's a virtue, and when Obama does, it's a problem? With that kind of pretzel logic, no wonder you have a problem telling who's lying and who's telling the truth.
    You forget, I have seen Obama lie hundreds of times with my own ears.... he has been beating the drum so long he doesn't even think about it any more. Lies flow out like Niagra Falls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waddie View Post
    They get exhausted pulling the wagon while everyone else rides......

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    Conservatives do seem to pull something, but I don't think it's a wagon.

    Maybe if they all pull together they'll get the happy ending they seem to be looking for...and who knows, maybe Romney will pull it for them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodB View Post
    I have seen Obama lie hundreds of times with my own ears......
    Now there's one for posterity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodB View Post
    This certainly clears things up....


    They simply have a totally different worldview from conservatives so they are operating from a totally different set of assumptions about the world and people than conservatives are.

    Here is the key thing to understand about liberals: they do not believe in evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Love the title of that blog. The words "wake up America" have a long and storied history in paranoid right-wing letters to the editor.
    Deutschland Erwache ! (Wake up, Germany !)

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    This refusal to accept that there are evil people even explains why liberals are not only so blind to jihadists but are so antisemitic as well. Liberals see that most Jews have an inborn talent for making money so most of them are "rich". On the other hand, the Palestinians are obviously poor and downtrodden. Hence it is a given that the members of Hamas, Hezbollah and the like cannot be evil merely because they have been brainwashed to accept the teachings of the Koran in the worst possible interpretation. No, they are merely poor and downtrodden because they are oppressed by the rich Jews. Indeed, they have even convinced most Jews that they should feel guilty about being rich and for not giving the Arabs whatever they want. That is why most American Jews are liberals.

    This even extends to a lot of Jews in Israel. There are a lot of leftist Jews in Israel even though most Israelis have found out the hard way that some of those Arabs are very evil, indeed. A lot of people understand that a suicide bomber is the very height of evil but not liberals. Suicide bombers are so determined to destroy their professed enemies that they are will to die if they can take a bunch of their enemies with them. Being willing to die in defense of one's ideals is heroic but being willing to die in an offense against women and children merely because of their religion or ethnicity is just plain evil because it is nothing more than genocide. Most liberals do understand that genocide is a bad thing so help them to make the connection between suicide bombers and genocide so they will understand that not all Palestinians are deserving of their sympathy.
    Take time to read the post... theres certainly some references to what evil is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RodB View Post
    You forget, I have seen Obama lie hundreds of times with my own ears.... he has been beating the drum so long he doesn't even think about it any more. Lies flow out like Niagra Falls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    Have liberals stopped beating their wives?
    let's hope not

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    Remember liberals - affirmative action is NOT institutionalized racism.... Just ask any dem.

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    why does liberal math show that historically the vast majority of americans have done better under progressive policies than conservative ones.

    From child labor laws, public education, social security, work place regulation, and even economically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post
    why does liberal math show that historically the vast majority of americans have done better under progressive policies than conservative ones.

    From child labor laws, public education, social security, work place regulation, and even economically.
    Perhaps they are the government of the people for all of the people, not just for the greedy ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodB View Post
    So now you resort to personal attacks. I have stated the main reason the emails sent during the Benghazi attack had value... ie., illustrating clearly that the Obama administration deliberately lied about the "video causing the attack"... and still you persist in multiple repeats that one of the emails was not true. Don't you get it...the truth of who was taking credit for the attack or not is not relevant to the deliberate lying by the Obama administration to mitigate political fallout. They knew the story they were spinning was not true but it would hopefully make them look better with such a terrible incident happening in spite of their "wonderful foreign policy efforts".









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    Read the title of your thread, Rod. If you want people to treat you with courtesy and respect, you might try treating them that way.

    As to the fact that I keep pointing out that the basis for your other thread was not true, have you forgotten the title of that thread?

    Over 300 government folks knew our consulate was being attacked and by whom

    And yet it turns out, the subject of that thread was based on inaccurate information. You now claim that the title of the thread, the subject of it, is irrelevant. Keep squirming, that's the subject of the thread, and it wasn't true, and now you even claim the factual basis for the thread wasn't true doesn't matter.

    As for the cliched piece stereotyping liberals, it's just dumb. Liberals think there is evil, they just don't think you've solved the problem when you label something evil. You seem to think calling something evil is a deep understanding, but it doesn't tell you how to solve the problem. Liberals tend to be pragmatic. They think in terms of solving problems, not in terms of the lovely catharsis you get from calling someone evil and striking out at them, even if striking out only makes the problem worse.

    In my youth, I thought conservatives were hard-eyed realists, at least about foreign policy (on civil rights, some conservatives just came across as evil.) But after watching them embrace an unnecessary war and torture, I see that they are ruled by their emotions, and far too often willing to throw reason and fact-finding over the side, just as you have done by starting a thread claiming 300 government folks "knew" something that wasn't true.

    You want to believe that the other side lies so that you can keep embracing the lies your own side tells. Wouldn't it be better to pay closer attention and not believe lies at all? But to do that, you'd have to take off your blinders.

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    The entire premise is stupid and profoundly simple-minded.

    There are indeed huge differences between liberals and conservatives. But they have absolutely nothing to do with the nature of evil.

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    This thread scares me a little. I live in a country where even our conservatives are considerably more liberal than your liberals. So, that means I live in a country populated by liberals... over 30 million of them. The lying part is pretty obvious, I mean, our conservatives are liberals compared to your liberals, so they aren't conservatives at all, they're liberals lying about being conservative. Now I don't trust anyone. Nancy brought me sirloin tip roast for dinner, but it might be cat!! Wow, this place is a real eye opener. Thank god for the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Malcolm Jardine View Post
    This thread scares me a little. I live in a country where even our conservatives are considerably more liberal than your liberals. So, that means I live in a country populated by liberals... over 30 million of them. The lying part is pretty obvious, I mean, our conservatives are liberals compared to your liberals, so they aren't conservatives at all, they're liberals lying about being conservative. Now I don't trust anyone. Nancy brought me sirloin tip roast for dinner, but it might be cat!! Wow, this place is a real eye opener. Thank god for the internet.
    Excellent Peter !
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    The Ultimate Romney Flip Flop Collection!!! Get it now!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcford View Post
    The Ultimate Romney Flip Flop Collection!!! Get it now!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x2W4...&feature=share
    is mitt a liberal?

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    Sometimes liberals tell the truth..........





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    Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post
    is mitt a liberal?
    No. Mitt is a severe conservative....No wait!! Mitt is a middle of the road...wants to work with everybody kind of guy. Yeh, that's the ticket!

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    Read the title of your thread, Rod. If you want people to treat you with courtesy and respect, you might try treating them that way.

    As to the fact that I keep pointing out that the basis for your other thread was not true, have you forgotten the title of that thread?

    Over 300 government folks knew our consulate was being attacked and by whom

    And yet it turns out, the subject of that thread was based on inaccurate information. You now claim that the title of the thread, the subject of it, is irrelevant. Keep squirming, that's the subject of the thread, and it wasn't true, and now you even claim the factual basis for the thread wasn't true doesn't matter.

    As for the cliched piece stereotyping liberals, it's just dumb. Liberals think there is evil, they just don't think you've solved the problem when you label something evil. You seem to think calling something evil is a deep understanding, but it doesn't tell you how to solve the problem. Liberals tend to be pragmatic. They think in terms of solving problems, not in terms of the lovely catharsis you get from calling someone evil and striking out at them, even if striking out only makes the problem worse.

    In my youth, I thought conservatives were hard-eyed realists, at least about foreign policy (on civil rights, some conservatives just came across as evil.) But after watching them embrace an unnecessary war and torture, I see that they are ruled by their emotions, and far too often willing to throw reason and fact-finding over the side, just as you have done by starting a thread claiming 300 government folks "knew" something that wasn't true.

    You want to believe that the other side lies so that you can keep embracing the lies your own side tells. Wouldn't it be better to pay closer attention and not believe lies at all? But to do that, you'd have to take off your blinders.
    Your mind is like a steel trap... unable to get the jaws loose. Obama lied about the cause of the attacks to hopefully minimize any negative political fallout... and you can't stand it that he was busted .... Your man directed his "team" to lie to the world and both he and Hillary lied to the familys of those who died. This is despicable behavior no matter how much you dig in the weeds for parts of emails that were true or not... The emails simply illustrated Obama and his team knew plenty early on... and were lying and that is a fact. No matter how many times you try to totally negate the Benghazi incident as a problem for the President... it will continue to cause a negative effect until he comes clean and shows a little transparency. Do you think he will ever admit they lied and it was a stupid lie and that there was no real reason to even lie... except for poor judgment by Obama and his administration ... and their panic with the upcoming electon????

    Good night.

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    KNOCK OFF THE FUNKEY COLORS, please... they're hard on my eyes
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    RodB sure has a point of view, doesn't he? Migod...


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