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    For a party that ostentatiously ( and supposedly ) champions the military, more utter hypocrisy:

    http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/...-jobs-bill/?hp


    Note the last couple of paragraphs- the bill was paid for. Even McCain voted against it!?
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    So following the rules is not ok?

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    they wouldn't be getting real jobs

    and were now exploiting a technicality to deny thousands of veterans a shot at getting hired as police officers, firefighters and parks workers, among other things.

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    he said the bill violated a cap on spending agreed to by Congress last year. The bill’s sponsor, Patty Murray of Washington, said that shouldn’t matter, since the bill’s cost was fully offset by new revenues.

    The rules were not broken. There is no new spending. Meanwhile, it is a billion dollars, barely a rounding error in today's budget. The hypocrisy charge stands.
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    It’s unbelievable that even after more than a decade of war, many Republicans still will not acknowledge that the treatment of our veterans is a cost of war.
    It's a cryin' shame that Mitt's mouth is stealing all the headlines and air time because this is the kind of thing that could REALLY put it to the whole red machine if it got enough coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm
    For a party that ostentatiously ( and supposedly ) champions the military, more utter hypocrisy....

    Note the last couple of paragraphs- the bill was paid for. Even McCain voted against it!?
    Talk is cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm
    The rules were not broken. There is no new spending.
    Correct. Maybe BrianW will attempt to explain the GOP position to the soldiers he is serving in Afghanistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    So following the rules is not ok?
    What rules?

    You mean the rules they made up so that they can do this sort of thing and pretend they're just following the rules?

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    A vote of 58 to 40 is not sufficient to pass legislation in the Senate. Neither is a vote of 59 to 41.

    Madness.
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    They have no problem sending them off to die in a foreign country but god forbid we help these folks when they return. They should be ashamed of themselves. It's utter bullsh!!t. They know if they had passed this bill it would be seen as a win for Obama and we just can't have that. Especially in an election year.
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    I just read some backstory on this issue because usually there is a lot spin when something gets posted in the bilge, esp from the NYT.

    And every single source I looked at (about 5 others) including WP and Stars and Stripes (usually very unpartisan) all came to the same conclusion.

    What a bunch of (_!_)holes, and I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals
    They know if they had passed this bill it would be seen as a win for Obama and we just can't have that. Especially in an election year.
    Never forget their stated #1 priority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    The rules were not broken. There is no new spending. Meanwhile, it is a billion dollars, barely a rounding error in today's budget. The hypocrisy charge stands.
    eterans won’t be getting a new, billion-dollar jobs program, not from this Senate. Republicans on Wednesday afternoon blocked a vote on the Veterans Job Corps Bill after Jeff Sessions of Alabama raised a point of order — he said the bill violated a cap on spending agreed to by Congress last year. The bill’s sponsor, Patty Murray of Washington, said that shouldn’t matter, since the bill’s cost was fully offset by new revenues. She said Mr. Sessions and his party colleagues had been furiously generating excuses to oppose the bill, and were now exploiting a technicality to deny thousands of veterans a shot at getting hired as police officers, firefighters and parks workers, among other things.
    The wording suggests that even the bill sponsor admits it violates the rule, just that it shouldn't matter.

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    Tell it to the troops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    Correct. Maybe BrianW will attempt to explain the GOP position to the soldiers he is serving in Afghanistan.
    They're used to following rules. So while perhaps disappointed, they would understand.

    You can stand beside me, and give your point of view too.

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    “Instead of meeting us halfway, we have been met with resistance. Instead of saying yes to the nearly 1 million unemployed veterans, it seems some on the other side have spent the last week and a half seeking any way to say no,” Murray said.
    Even McCain voted against it!?
    Yet, being as the US Gov. has paid for him since the day of his birth, and he is a gazzilionair-he still gets HIS pension from the military.
    Disclosed sepLt. Cmdr. John McCain as a POW in Hanoi after being shot down and injured, now an Arizona Senator and Republican presidential nominee-has a lifetime pension income of(2007) $58,358 per year that went untaxed.

    Monday, McCain’s staff identified the retirement benefit to The Times' Ralph Vartabedian as a “disability pension” and said the candidate “was retired as disabled because of his limited body movements due to injuries as a POW.”
    100% service connected of course.
    The 71-year-old pointed out he had recently hiked the Grand Canyon with a son.
    Can our returning Veterans with 100% do that? Now THAT'S a true hypocrite. Donate that to our Veterans..Grrr

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    My point of view is that Patty Murray was saying the bill did not violate the agreement on the spending cap because the bill's cost was offset by new revenues.

    So BrianW-- put aside the Senate's BS arbitrary rules for a moment. Do you think the bill is good on its merits or not?

    How does one explain to the troops that "Rules are rules, sorry for your luck?"
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    It seems Congress did pass some legislation last year...

    Last year, Congress passed sweeping veterans jobs legislation that created new vocational rehabilitation services, a new mid-career retraining program for veterans and tax credits for businesses that employ former servicemembers.
    It was one of the few pieces of legislation make it through Congress, which has been mired in partisan gridlock for the last two years.
    http://www.stripes.com/news/veterans...-vote-1.189978

    ...which negates the theory that they won't pass such bills just to spite Obama.

    Also, 5 Republicans did vote for this Bill. Which negates the theory it was a straight party line vote.

    Hmm... read a different news source, and ge a different perspective. Who'd a thunk it?

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    Veterans already get a hiring preference with Fed jobs. 5 points out of 100. I have had that for 45 years. Most state jobs also have Vet points. What's this bill gonna do?




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    Quote Originally Posted by pefjr View Post
    What's this bill gonna do?
    Nothing, for now. It's been shelved.

    The plan was to hire vets to plant trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    It seems Congress did pass some legislation last year...



    http://www.stripes.com/news/veterans...-vote-1.189978

    ...which negates the theory that they won't pass such bills just to spite Obama.

    Also, 5 Republicans did vote for this Bill. Which negates the theory it was a straight party line vote.

    Hmm... read a different news source, and ge a different perspective. Who'd a thunk it?
    Still trying to pick pepper out of the fly poop, aren't you?

    The Republicans killed a paid-for bill for increasing employment among veterans.

    Spin that. Or don't.

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    as brian said the vets won't mind being unemployed

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljb5 View Post
    Still trying to pick pepper out of the fly poop, aren't you?
    Rofl!

    Quote Originally Posted by ljb5 View Post
    The Republicans killed a paid-for bill for increasing employment among veterans.
    "Paid-for" has nothing to do with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ljb5 View Post
    Spin that. Or don't.
    You spin it enough for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljb5 View Post
    Still trying to pick pepper out of the fly poop, aren't you?

    The Republicans killed a paid-for bill for increasing employment among veterans.

    Spin that. Or don't.
    At least there are 40 of them that honor their commitment to cut spending while 58 ignore their own promise. The TP will take care of those 58. LJ, it is not paid for unless you consider spending money you predict you will have providing everything goes as planned. Since when has that been a paid for bill? OH... never mind we know which party does that, don't we?




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    Quote Originally Posted by ljb5 View Post
    Still trying to pick pepper out of the fly poop, aren't you?
    That response usually means I was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post
    as brian said the vets won't mind being unemployed
    You do yourself no honor when you misquote people.

    But for the record, I was an unemployed Army vet in 1990, and an unemployed Coast Guard vet in 2004. There's a good chance I know how they feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    That response usually means I was right.
    Really? I've never read it before. It's usually the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    You do yourself no honor when you misquote people.

    But for the record, I was an unemployed Army vet in 1990, and an unemployed Coast Guard vet in 2004. There's a good chance I know how they feel.
    i was an unemplyed vet too for a few months

    somebody out of work that wants to work will gladly take a job planting trees if it pays a living wage

    being out of work suks, that's how it feels

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    Nobody seemed real concerned about deficits when they started sending troops over there in 2003.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post

    being out of work suks, that's how it feels
    Obama should have thought of that when he was elected to Change, got the Nobel, and before he and the free spending Congress wasted all that trillion on a pile of rocks and the "good War" in Afghanistan. How many trees can you plant for a trillion? In fact he can cut the DOD budget anytime now that he wants this Vet bill, but he will not.... why? , might lose some MIC votes, that's why.




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    I know it doesn't fit your narrative but he has already cut dod spending. Considerably.
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    "1 Million unemployed."I think it is the discrimination to our returning Veterans. This Bill give's it the "We don't want them either ' look from our own government. Not so much from the Federal contractors and such, but also in the privet sector. This Bill would have given more access to privet sector jobs training. It is documented that they don't want PTSD Veterans.There are many suffering from it. Here is a good article.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1635048.html
    Do Employers Discriminate Against Veterans? Veterans are respected, but deeply misunderstood, according to a recent survey conducted by The Mission Continues, a national veterans service nonprofit, and J.J. Abrams' Bad Robot Productions.

    One of the reasons for the disconnect lies in the fact that many people maintain the perception that veterans return home with problems such as post traumatic stress disorder. The reality is that when it comes to mental health issues, about 20 percent of veterans experience some level of PTSD. Yet the stereotype persists, and consequently, returning veterans struggle to find jobs and are often times forced to deal with employers who view them as potential liabilities.
    Here is one of the comments. I agree completely.
    Battlefield PTSD, financial meltdown PTSD; what a combination!
    I developed PTSD right after the preventable 2008 financial meltdown. I suspect that many Americans who have been foreclosed upon and who are also unemployed and lost 50% of their savings and have to pee into the little cup of humbleness before collecting a pay check; are close to PTSD classified.

    Where are the jobs congress; there is a pent-up demand and a bunch of willing and able workers/taxpayers ready to go.

















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    Just think, someday those cynical, mean-spirited, ungrateful bastards will have a grandchild on their knee, who will ask, “And what did you do to help your country, Granpaw?”
    And they can proudly answer, “I screwed thousands of returning veterans to help with our Number One Priority--messing up the President.”


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    Thank you, Shang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals View Post
    I know it doesn't fit your narrative but he has already cut dod spending. Considerably.
    He didn't cut shinola. The TP forced Congress to agree to it to prevent the BBA being passed. Next time around it will be passed. I know you do not take that seriously now, but you will.




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