Did Clint Eastwood jump the shark?

[Norman Bernstein]

I really, really dislike Michael Moore.....

....but I think he's right about this one.

Did Eastwood Ruin His Legacy?

Michael Moore: "The footage of Eastwood rambling and mumbling to his 'Harvey'--President Obama--will be played to audiences a hundred years from now as the Most Bizarre Convention Moment Ever. The people of the future will know nothing about Dirty Harry orJosey Wales or Million Dollar Baby. They will know about the night a crazy old man hijacked a national party's most important gathering so he could literally tell the president to go do something to himself (i.e. f$#k himself). In those few moments (and these days, it only takes a few moments--see Anthony Weiner), he completely upended and redefined how he'll be remembered by younger and future generations."

PS Unlike many people, I admire celebrities who take a risk to their careers by taking political stands... it matters not whether they are left or right. Of course, how WELL the celeb takes a position and expresses his beliefs does matter.

[Figment]

Politically obsessed criti-junkies may latch onto this moment of Eastwood's career and forever hold it in their sack of voodoo dolls, ready to be drawn and prod in convenient moments of venom, yes.

I'd like to think that the other 98% will still recall him in his prime.
Personally, he'll always be Gunny Highway, or occasionally Philo Beddoe if I'm feeling orangutanish.

[Donn]

A hundred years from now, Clint will be 182, and probably won't give a hoot what people think. Come to think of it, he probably doesn't give a hoot today.

[PhaseLockedLoop]

If there are people of the future who give a rap, I think they might be appalled at the bombastic bull$hit provided by the other speakers. Who expected Clint to be Foghorn Leghorn?

[Rum_Pirate]

What is with the thread title "Did Clint Eastwood jump the shark?" ??

Did Eastwood Ruin His Legacy?

Michael Moore: "The footage of Eastwood rambling and mumbling to his 'Harvey'--President Obama--will be played to audiences a hundred years from now as the Most Bizarre Convention Moment Ever. The people of the future will know nothing about Dirty Harry orJosey Wales or Million Dollar Baby. They will know about the night a crazy old man hijacked a national party's most important gathering so he could literally tell the president to go do something to himself (i.e. f$#k himself). In those few moments (and these days, it only takes a few moments--see Anthony Weiner), he completely upended and redefined how he'll be remembered by younger and future generations."

I think that is wrong, that 'clip' will not be played regularly on mainstream TV for entertainment.

He will be remembered for what he played/took part in ie:

Clint Eastwood Movie ListActor

• Gran Torino (2008)- Walt Kowalski
• Million Dollar Baby (2004)- Frankie Dunn
• Blood Work (2002)- Terry McCaleb
• Space Cowboys (2000)- Frank Corvin
• True Crime (1999)- Steve Everett
• Absolute Power (1997)- Luther Whitney
• The Bridges of Madison County (1995)- Robert Kincaid
• A Perfect World (1993)- Chief Red Garnett
• In the Line of Fire (1993)- Secret Service Agent Frank Horrigan
• Unforgiven (1992)- William ‘Bill’ Munny
• The Rookie (1990)- Nick Pulovski
• White Hunter Black Heart (1990)- John Wilson
• Pink Cadillac (1989)- Tommy Nowak
• The Dead Pool (1988)- Inspector ‘Dirty’ Harry Callahan
• Heartbreak Ridge (1986)- Sergeant Thomas Highway
• Pale Rider (1985)- Preacher
• City Heat (1984)- Lieutenant Speer
• Tightrope (1984)- Captain Wes Block
• Sudden Impact (1983)- Harry Callahan
• Honkytonk Man (1982)- Red Stovall
• Firefox (1982)- Mitchell Gant
• Any Which Way You Can (1980)- Philo Beddoe
• Bronco Billy (1980)- Bronco Billy
• Escape from Alcatraz (1979)- Frank Morris
• Every Which Way But Loose (1978)- Philo Beddoe
• The Gauntlet (1977)- Ben Shockley
• The Enforcer (1976)- Inspector ‘Dirty’ Harry Callahan
• The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)- Josey Wales
• The Eiger Sanction (1975)- Dr. Jonathan Hemlock
• Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974)- John ‘Thunderbolt’ Doherty
• Magnum Force (1973)- Inspector ‘Dirty’ Harry Callahan
• Breezy (1973- uncredited role)- Man in Crowd on Pier
• High Plains Drifter (1973)- Stranger
• Joe Kidd (1972)- Joe Kidd
• Dirty Harry (1971)- Inspector ‘Dirty’ Harry Callahan
• Play Misty for Me (1971)- Dave
• The Beguiled (1971)- Cpl. John McBurney
• Kelly’s Heroes (1970)- Private Kelly
• Two Mules for Sister Sara (1970)- Hogan
• Paint Your Wagon (1969)- Pardner
• Where Eagles Dare (1968)- Lieutenant Morris Schaffer
• Coogan’s Bluff (1968)- Coogan
• Hang ‘Em High (1968)- Marshal Jed Cooper
• El magnifico extranjero (1967)- Rowdy Yates. The English title of the film is ‘The Magnificent Stranger’.
• Le steghe (1967)- Charlie. The English title of the film is ‘The Witches’
• Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo (1966)- Blondie. The English title is ‘The Good, the Bad and the Ugly’
• Per qualche dollaro in piu (1965)- Monco. The English title is ‘For a Few Dollars More’.
• Per un pungo di dollari (1964)- Joe. The English title is ‘A Fistful of Dollars’.
• Ambush at Cimarron Pass (1958)- Keith Williams
• Lafayette Escadrille (1958)- George Moseley. There are two English titles of this film, ‘Hell Bent for Glory’ and ‘With You in My Arms’.
• Escapade in Japan (1957- uncredited role)- Dumbo Pilot
• The First Traveling Saleslady (1956)- Lieutenant Jack Rice, Roughrider
• Away All Boats (1956- uncredited)- Marine (Medic)
• Star in the Dust (1956- uncredited)- Tom, ranch hand
• Never Say Goodbye (1956- uncredited)- Will
• Tarantula (1955- uncredited)- Jet Squadron Leader
• Lady Godiva of Coventry (1955- uncredited)- First Saxon
• Francis in the Navy (1955)- Jonesey
• Revenge of the Creature (1955- uncredited)- Jennings- Lab Technician.

Director and Producer

• J. Edgar (2011)
• Hereafter (2010)
• Invictus (2009)
• Gran Torino (2008)
• Changeling (2008)
• Letters from Iwo Jima (2006)
• Flags of Our Fathers (2006)
• Million Dollar Baby (2004)
• Mystic River (2003)
• Blood Work (2002)
• Space Cowboys (2000)
• True Crime (1999)
• Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil (1997)
• Absolute Power (1997)
• The Bridges of Madison County (1995)
• A Perfect World (1993)
• Unforgiven (1992)
• White Hunter Black Heart (1990)
• Bird (1988)
• Heartbreak Ridge (1986)
• Pale Rider (1985)
• Sudden Impact (1983)
• Honkytonk Man (1982)
• Firefox (1982)

Director Only

• The Rookie (1990)
• Bronco Billy (1980)
• The Gauntlet (1977)
• The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)
• The Eiger Sanction (1975)
• Breezy (1973)
• High Plains Drifter (1973)
• Play Misty For Me (1971)
• The Beguiled: The Storyteller (1971)

Producer Only

• The Stars Fell on Henrietta (1995)
• Thelonious Monk: Straight, No Chaser (1988)- executive producer
• Tightrope (1984)

[TomF]

Yep. I'm fine with Clint expressing his views, though in expressing them ... he should be given no more slack for muddled thinking or lack of firm proposals than anyone else. And frankly, he badly needed a writer, and to run his lines more. He missed the polish and attention he ordinarily brings to his craft.

Bottom line, his legacy is his movies. But it must be hard to say "no" when invited to get up there and be feted as an icon.

[Norman Bernstein]

Will Michael be speaking in Charlotte?

I certainly HOPE not!

[Norman Bernstein]

Yep. I'm fine with Clint expressing his views, though in expressing them ... he should be given no more slack for muddled thinking or lack of firm proposals than anyone else...

That's why I said that I admire celebs who are willing to take a big risk with their careers by speaking out, politically.

The risk is palpable... there are celebs whose 'public speaking' has indeed damaged their careers... but I have to at least applaud them for being willing to speak up.

Hopefully, when they DO speak up, they do it well... and even then, they can still pay a price... think of the Dixie Chicks (although their best song was the one Natalie Manes wrote about how she got trashed for speaking her mind... one of my favorite songs)

[Bob Cleek]

It was tacky and classless to put an elderly man in such a position, but then, everything about that convention was disgustingly tacky and classless. (It remains to be seen if the Democrats will be any better.) I consider it elder abuse of a sort. Certainly, they didn't think Eastwood had anything of any substance to say. They merely wanted to capitolize on his screen personas: "Dirty Harry" appealing to the baser instincts of the mob. I worked with him on "Escape from Alcatraz" briefly many years ago. He was a very nice guy and without a doubt one of the great entertainers of the age. That said, there ought to be a law that anybody in the entertainment business cannot be associated in any way with politics. They are professionals at making us believe they are somebody they aren't and we enjoy it when they do that well. At least the people have a fighting chance at survival when the politicians who do the same thing are only amateurs at it and we all suffer when they play us for fools.

[Tom Montgomery]

I'm with Bob Cleek.

I like Clint Eastwood. He was used by the RNC. What a shame.

[Tom Montgomery]

You bet. I still have my wits about me. Do you?

[Nicholas Scheuer]

They would'a used John Wayne, if they could'a.

[TomF]

...Liberals think conservatives are stupid and conservatives think liberals are wrong.

I just think Clint's script needed work, and his delivery wasn't up to his usual standard. But he's far from a stupid guy. Hell, he was a Mayor himself; Clint's not new to having and expressing opinions on public issues, or presumably knowing how nuances of public decision making actually work.

I'll grant you though, that some conservatives are stupid ... and some liberals are wrong.

[leikec]

Michael Moore is an ideologue with all of the limitations of the breed. Clint Eastwood is a talented man, but he isn't relevant in any way to the coming election.

Eastwood was merely a bit of harmless fluff in a convention/infomercial that was basically a schlock-fest of disambiguation and deceit.

The American political process is reaching new heights of absurdity, and I can only hope that someday the American people will get tired of the escalating dog-and-pony show.

The republican party has become a complete joke--a national disgrace...and the democratic party sometimes seems to be aspiring toward the same goal. I can only hope that they manage to deliver something better.

Jeff C

[Peerie Maa]

Are you implying that Clint has lost his mind? Typical liberal response, there must be something wrong with you if you don't agree with me.

Liberals think conservatives are stupid and conservatives think liberals are wrong.

Actually no. This liberal (using US English here) thinks that conservatives have a poor grasp of how society really works and are locked into failed dogmas. What is defined by repeatedly trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?

[johnw]

Surely, there's a little room for entertainment in a modern-day convention, which does no business and is all a big show.

By the way, Andrew Sullivan had a nice collections of tweets about the Eastwood show:

.@InvisibleObama has 34,000 followers!


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Andrew Kaczynski @BuzzFeedAndrew

! RT @igorbobic: Ari Fleischer says Eastwood had a script but threw it out prior to speaking

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Mark Jones @jonesmarkh

Romney team says Eastwood was ad-libbing #nos**t

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Jamelle Bouie @jbouie
This is a perfect representation of the campaign: an old white man arguing with an imaginary Barack Obama.

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Josh Rogin @joshrogin
Eastwood/Chair 2012 pic.twitter.com/rPXNyw3S


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delrayser @delrayser
Backstage somewhere, Clint Eastwood is yelling at people for almost sitting on Invisible Obama.

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Respect to Clint. 82 years old and putting Twitter over capacity.

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[Keith Wilson]

Clint Eastwood debates an empty chair - and loses!

That said, I think Michael Moore is mistaken; in ten years, nobody will remember this, and we'll still watch his movies.

[Donn]

What is defined by repeatedly trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?

Bilge Debates.

[pefjr]

Michael Moore? Consider the source. IMO it was a very creative approach, with humor, which is what people will remember. An empty chair, with a Nobel PP

[Tom Montgomery]

I just think Clint's script needed work, and his delivery wasn't up to his usual standard. But he's far from a stupid guy.

Of course he is not stupid. He is simply 82 years old and not as mentally limber as he was 15 years ago. Putting him in that situation without a script was unreasonable, IMHO.

[Chris Coose]

Clint Eastwood is a talented man, but he isn't relevant in any way to the coming election.

I heard that the exhumation and reconditioning of the Reagan corpse didn't come quite life-like. The Reagan plan came a close second to hauling up John Wayne from the grave and they couldn't bring him around either . The 3rd choice for the featured speaker was Eastwood.

Republicans adore ancient Hollywood leading men.

[Tom Montgomery]

I was hoping the mystery speaker would be Moses.

[Chris Smith porter maine]

It was late, he was tired, perhaps his meds were wearing thin, or he had a few to many beers, he got distracted by audience comments, and thus onto a topic, twice even, that was more appropriate to Saturday night live or an HBO late nite show than the big nite of the Republican Convention. He was unable to keep on a topic and focused, he rambled at best, they should have just left it to Rubio who was the best of the nite, perhaps the convention, he speaks very well, Obama like skills better even, and used Clint in later campaign adds. He gave Joe B a run for his money last nite.

[Glen Longino]

Bruce Willis could have done a far better job of it!

[James McMullen]

You guys touting Eastwood are all old. The twenty-something and thirty-somethings who are the future don't have hardly any idea who Dirty Harry or the Outlaw Josey Wales is, but they are certainly tweeting the "Eastwooding" Internet meme all over the bandwidth at a viral rate.

And it's not because they were glued to their seats, breathlessly watching the convention either. Republicanism doesn't have all that many draws for the younger generation.

However, I daresay that the GOP ought to be glad that there's at least a little competition for the Lyin' Ryan meme that has also gone irretrievably viral.

[Rum_Pirate]

You guys touting Eastwood are all old. The twenty-something and thirty-somethings who are the future don't have hardly any idea who Dirty Harry or the Outlaw Josey Wales is, but they are certainly tweeting the "Eastwooding" Internet meme all over the bandwidth at a viral rate.

And it's not because they were glued to their seats, breathlessly watching the convention either. Republicanism doesn't have all that many draws for the younger generation.

However, I daresay that the GOP ought to be glad that there's at least a little competition for the Lyin' Ryan meme that has also gone irretrievably viral.

That comment reminded me of these groups of phrases. (I was going to type 'joke' but realized it might upset some posters)

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college.
She considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, but her father was a staunch Republican.
One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to high taxes and welfare programs.
He stopped her and asked how she was doing in school.
She answered that she had a 4.0 GPA, but it was really tough.
She had to study all the time and never had time to go out and party.
She didn't have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all
her time studying.
On top of that, the part-time job her father insisted she keep left absolutely no time for anything else.
He asked, 'How is your friend Mary?'
She replied that "Mary was barely getting by.
She had a 2.0 GPA, never studied, but was very popular on campus, didn't have a job, and went to all the parties.
She was always complaining about not having any money, but didn't want to work.
Why, she often didn't show up for classes because she was hung over."

Dad then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the Dean's office and request that 1.0 be taken off her 4.0 and given
it to her friend who only had a 2.0.
That way they would both have a respectable 3.0 GPA.
Then, she could also give her friend half the money she'd earned from her job so that her friend would no longer be broke.

The daughter angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair. I worked really hard for my grades and money, and Mary just loafs. Why should her
laziness and irresponsibility be rewarded with half of what I've worked for?"

The father slowly smiled and said,
'Welcome to the Republican Party'."

[I would suggest that this one could be interchangeable dependent on to whom you are telling it.]

A popular Des Moines Barber shop had a new robotic barber installed.
A fellow came in for a haircut. As the robot began to cut his hair it asked him, "What's your IQ?"
The man replied, "130."
So the robot proceeded to make conversation about physics, astronomy, investments, insurance, and so on.
The man listened intently and said, "This is really cool."
Later, another gent came in for a haircut and the robot asked him as it began the haircut, "What's your IQ?"
The man responded, "100."
So the robot started talking about football, baseball, and so on. The man thought to himself, Wow, this is really cool."
Later on, a third guy came in to the barbershop.
As with the others, the robot barber asked him, "What's your IQ?"
The man replied, "70."
The robot then said, "So, I understand you Democrats are really excited about Obama running for a second term as president?"

[Tom Montgomery]

You guys touting Eastwood are all old. The twenty-something and thirty-somethings who are the future don't have hardly any idea who Dirty Harry or the Outlaw Josey Wales is, but they are certainly tweeting the "Eastwooding" Internet meme all over the bandwidth at a viral rate.

Along those lines, James...

I stopped at a local supermarket on the way home today and found an entire aisle stocked with foods catering to Hispanics. This was in an affluent section of Metro Louisville-Jefferson County.

I purchased a jar of Goya Recaito and two packages of Discos Grandes. I intend to make some Pastelillos de Carne.

The U.S. Hispanic population is young and growing. The GOP appears to be virtually ignoring that segment of the population. It does not bode well for the GOP future.

[Tom Montgomery]

Rum_Pirate: Since you do not reside in the U.S.A. I would respectfully suggest you have no concept of the changing demographic here.

[Rum_Pirate]

Along those lines, James...

I stopped at a local supermarket on the way home today and found an entire aisle stocked with foods catering to Hispanics. I purchased a jar of Goya Recaito and two packages of Discos Grandes. I intend to make some Pastelillos de Carne.

The U.S. Hispanic population is young. The GOP appears to be virtually ignoring that segment of the population. It does not bode well for the GOP future.

A significant segment as i understand that the US Hispanic and Latino population is larger than the US Afro-American population.

[Rum_Pirate]

Rum_Pirate: Since you do not reside in the U.S.A. I would respectfully suggest you have no concept of the changing demographic here.

May I respectfully ask what prompted that statement?

[Tom Montgomery]

How could I be any clearer?

[Norman Bernstein]

A significant segment as i understand that the US Hispanic and Latino population is larger than the US Afro-American population.

I believe that to be true... but Tom is right: the GOP has essentially failed in capturing demographics that they have traditionally alienated. Latino, black, young, women (especially college educated women), are all demographic groups that are not interested in voting Republican... and the Republicans are obviously not especially interested in them, either.

Having a strong base is good... but you can't win elections that way. If Obama wins, it will largely be because of those same demographics.

(and NO, i'm not saying that Obama will win... as I see it, it's neck and neck until November).

[Rum_Pirate]

How could I be any clearer?

So you just up and decided to post 'Rum_Pirate: Since you do not reside in the U.S.A. I would respectfully suggest you have no concept of the changing demographic here." ?

While some may consider on that basis, it is posted as a direct antagonistic goad, I would merely point out that where somebody resides does not pre-empt them from taking an interest in and having a concept of what is happening in the rest of the world.

[Tom Montgomery]

I would merely point out that where somebody resides does not pre-empt them from taking an interest in and having a concept of what is happening in the rest of the world.

True as far as it goes.

I am merely pointing out that unless one resides in the U.S.A. one cannot fully appreciate factors (such a ethnic demographics) that affect domestic U.S. politics.

I have noticed a huge change over the last 10 years. That is only two and a half general election cycles.
z

[Garret]

That comment reminded me of these groups of phrases. (I was going to type 'joke' but realized it might upset some posters)
[I would suggest that this one could be interchangeable dependent on to whom you are telling it.]

R_P: Your first one is mighty long in the tooth & IMO, complete horsefeathers.

The second one is far more appropriate for today's Republicans - as it's their party that counts on them being gullible.

[hanleyclifford]

"...whenever I get to liking someone they don't stay around very long..." (Josey Wales)

[pefjr]

Rum_Pirate: Since you do not reside in the U.S.A. I would respectfully suggest you have no concept of the changing demographic here.

He knows a good joke when he sees one though. He also knows his audience, and what bait to use to catch you every time.

[Tom Montgomery]

I am merely pointing out that unless one resides in the U.S.A. one cannot fully appreciate factors (such a ethnic demographics) that affect domestic U.S. politics.

I have noticed a huge change over the last 10 years. That is only two and a half general election cycles.
z

And it is not just Hispanics.

I have noticed a huge influx of Africans, Asians, Indians, and Pakistanis over the last decade.

I am fine with that. Many others are not.

[Kevin T]

And the reality of the situation is that the GOP and the beliefs of the Republican party are a dying brand.

One does not grow a party based on the "Angry Old White Guy" demographic, and rolling Clint out didn't help.

Hispanics could have been a big part of their constituency moving forward, but you can check that off the list of possible growth areas based on the GOP's anti immigrant policies and rhetoric.

We have posters "right cheer on this here internet forum" who display on a near daily basis how pissed they are to see their world shrinking and disappearing. Darwinism at its best, evolve or die off.

[hanleyclifford]

If Obama loses in November it will be because the "angry old (blue collar) white guys" voted Republican.

[Tom Montgomery]

And if he wins?

[pefjr]

And the reality of the situation is that the GOP and the beliefs of the Republican party are a dying brand.

One does not grow a party based on the "Angry Old White Guy" demographic, and rolling Clint out didn't help.

Hispanics could have been a big part of their constituency moving forward, but you can check that off the list of possible growth areas based on the GOP's anti immigrant policies and rhetoric.

We have posters "right cheer on this here internet forum" who display on a near daily basis how pissed they are to see their world shrinking and disappearing. Darwinism at its best, evolve or die off.

Evolve? that survival of the fittest KT, doesn't fit in a dems ideology. You sure you are a lefty? If the Repubs die off, who's gonna keep this boat afloat? You will sink and drown.

[Rum_Pirate]

Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate
... it is posted as a direct antagonistic goad, I would merely point out that where somebody resides does not pre-empt them from taking an interest in and having a concept of what is happening in the rest of the world.

True as far as it goes.

I am merely pointing out that unless one resides in the U.S.A. one cannot fully appreciate factors (such a ethnic demographics) that affect domestic politics.

Hmm, you admit that you were trying to goad me, I guess ( a wild guess) that you must feel disappointed in its lack of success.

I respectfully suggest that you reread your post '"Rum_Pirate: Since you do not reside in the U.S.A. I would respectfully suggest you have no concept of the changing demographic here.", 'no concept' ie NONE, not the backpedalling 'cannot fully appreciate factors'.

I would not even consider stating that because you live in Kentucky, you would have no concept on what was going on in say California, Alaska or even Hawaii even though those states are further away from you than you are from me.

As has been pointed out to me the internet is a great source of information and I would point out that where I live gives me added insight into the issue of factors (such a ethnic demographics) along with the other information available to me that affect domestic politics.

Happy posting.

[Jim Bow]

Didn't watch the convention, probably won't go out of my way to see the Dems.
I have, however, seen the clips of Clint's performance. I was immediately reminded of Adm. Stockdale's intro as Ross Perot's veep selection. I cringed.

I will remember them both for their bodies of work, rather than these slips.

[hanleyclifford]

And if he wins?

Then they didn't.

[Tom Montgomery]

Hmm, you admit that you were trying to goad me, I guess ( a wild guess) that you must feel disappointed in its lack of success.

I admitted no such thing. I said, "true as far as it goes," regarding the portion of your statement that I quoted. But full marks for attempting to misconstrue my intent.

I would not even consider stating that because you live in Kentucky, you would have no concept on what was going on in say California, Alaska or even Hawaii even though those states are further away from you than you are from me.

As has been pointed out to me the internet is a great source of information and I would point out that where I live gives me added insight into the issue of factors (such a ethnic demographics) along with the other information available to me that affect domestic politics.

True.

Yet I would not presume to comment on the domestic politics of your tiny isle despite the info available on the interweb.

Your tiny isle's foreign politics are a completely different story.

[Kevin T]

Didn't watch the convention, probably won't go out of my way to see the Dems.
I have, however, seen the clips of Clint's performance. I was immediately reminded of Adm. Stockdale's intro as Ross Perot's veep selection. I cringed.

I will remember them both for their bodies of work, rather than these slips.

Plus a thousand. I saw a few minutes of it and it was cringe worthy to the extreme.

I've met Clint, sat at the table immediately adjacent to his when the Gene Autry Museum was honoring him back in the late 90's, sat so close in fact I was part of a conversation he was having with the two tables. A smart, well spoken man, who deserves better than to be apparently used this way.

And to Delecta above and your comment that Clint can do anything he damn well pleases or whatever it was you posted, I think you are confusing the man with the characters he's played on screen, get real. The really striking thing about him is how skinny he is, I'd bet he's no more than a 40 long, but he is tall, maybe 6'3" and 170 pounds, maybe 175 but that would be a stretch.

[Tom Montgomery]

I have, however, seen the clips of Clint's performance. I was immediately reminded of Adm. Stockdale's intro as Ross Perot's veep selection. I cringed.

I will remember them both for their bodies of work, rather than these slips.

+1

The subsequent political crucifixion of Admiral Stockdale was shameful. He was a true American hero.

[Kevin T]

Evolve? that survival of the fittest KT, doesn't fit in a dems ideology. You sure you are a lefty? If the Repubs die off, who's gonna keep this boat afloat? You will sink and drown.

Who said I was a lefty? Besides is there some growth in the demographic that the GOP is apparently trying to appeal to? Further it wasn't little ol me that came up with the angry old white guy demographic bon mot, it was no less a party stalwart than Lindsay Graham who can take the bow on that one. No, I don't have a link, but it's out there.

[Rum_Pirate]

I admitted no such thing. I said, "true as far as it goes," regarding the portion of your statement that I quoted. But full marks for attempting to misconstrue my intent.

You have edited your post to suit your comeback/reply. That is underhanded and disingenious.
See post #48 for the full copy of your post (I confirm that I did highlight the word 'True' in C&P'ing it )
That is why I C& P the posts in my responses.

. . . Yet I would not presume to comment on the domestic politics of your tiny isle despite the info available on the interweb.

I applaud you for that good decision on your behalf.

That Sir is your prerogrative.

You will appreciate that there is however a heck of a lot more information available on the internet regarding ethnic demographics, and as you have now added domestic politics, pertaining to the USA rather to the tiny isle on which I reside.

Lets keep our posts honest and polite. I know I shall.
Naturally I cannot speak for anyone else.