Shooter at Texas A & M

[Phillip Allen]

So Phillip, you've heard from me and from others on our stances.

From your perspective, is there any response to violence ... other than lying down to be kicked ... which is not itself implicitly violent?

what scenerio are you asking about?

[Glen Longino]

okay, knights in shining armor... it's still violence by proxie

Go ahead, cling to your pessimism!
You seem comfortable believing that a Feral Arkie howling at the moon is a superior deterrent to crime to a trained police force.
I'm curious about what caused you to withdraw from civilization and become a troglodyte, and when.

[John of Phoenix]

what scenerio are you asking about?

To quote you...

evasion again... YET again!

[Phillip Allen]

lets try another angle...

if you witness a dog savaging a child, will you call the police or become violent yourself?

[TomF]

what scenerio are you asking about?

I dunno, here are a few possibilities:

• A thug wants your wallet - you see him 30 feet away.
• A thug wants your wallet - he blindsides you with a whack to the back of the head.
• You're accosted by a road-rager.
• Your're confronted outside of a bar by an angry drunk offended by how you looked at his girlfriend.
• An angry drunk looks at/talks to your girlfriend offensively.
• A burglar enters your house, with you (and sleeping family members) upstairs.
• You and a family member get into an argument, which becomes dangerously aggressive. (note - this is how most not-gang-related murders actually occur)

[TomF]

lets try another angle...

if you witness a dog savaging a child, will you call the police or become violent yourself?

I'd get a large stick, shovel or something, and get the dog off the child - and probably get savaged myself for my trouble. You?

[Phillip Allen]

I dunno, here are a few possibilities:

• A thug wants your wallet - you see him 30 feet away.
• A thug wants your wallet - he blindsides you with a whack to the back of the head.
• You're accosted by a road-rager.
• Your're confronted outside of a bar by an angry drunk offended by how you looked at his girlfriend.
• An angry drunk looks at/talks to your girlfriend offensively.
• A burglar enters your house, with you (and sleeping family members) upstairs.
• You and a family member get into an argument, which becomes dangerously aggressive. (note - this is how most not-gang-related murders actually occur)

1. 30' away... means there is no violence yet
2. lots of variables but if I am able and thinking clearly I would become violent (violent is broad terms of course)
3. been there... I screwed with his mind and he missed... a kind of violence
4. depends on what he does and what occurs to me at the moment... could be violent
5. we leave
6. call 911 then investigate... could become violent
7. I either give my violent family member a really big hug, or I knock him down... if that doesn't work, I bleed on him violenty

[Glen Longino]

..."I bleed on him violently..."

Unfortunately, that's been my reaction to attack all too often!

[Chris Coose]

The municiple thugs apprehended the perpetrator and peace was restored.

You seeing my use of a cellphone as a weapon and a violent act to call these peace officers is just plain ******.

I give you a couple of personal examples of successfull, non weapon intervention on real violence and you go far beyond what I expected as a return to justify a bunker mentality. It must be very difficult for you to operate within the system. Though I must say that this sparring was far more difficult with TD. He was much more attached to a near future armageddon. Actually, lathered up over it, Not in a million years willing to hear, accept or respect the values of a significantly different life approach.

[Phillip Allen]

The municiple thugs apprehended the perpetrator and peace was restored.

You seeing my use of a cellphone as a weapon and a violent act to call these peace officers is just plain ******.

I give you a couple of personal examples of successfull, non weapon intervention on real violence and you go far beyond what I expected as a return to justify a bunker mentality. It must be very difficult for you to operate within the system. Though I must say that this sparring was far more difficult with TD. He was much more attached to a near future armageddon. Actually, lathered up over it, Not in a million years willing to hear, accept or respect the values of a significantly different life approach.

you called armed men to deal with him... you brandished the 'people's gun'...

[Chris Coose]

??!?!?
You quote my post, but your response seems directed at comments made by Mr. Coose.

He did that because he announced a while ago he would let us (me and Ian) stew in our juices, therefore, unable to write directly. He's a sly one.

[Chris Coose]

you used the 'people's gun'...

They are trained, equipped and I pay them to intervene on lawlessness. The phone is a device to facilitate the best outcome. Which is exactly what happened in both cases.
That is not rocket surgery.

[Nanoose]

Montana is really nice. So are parts of Idaho.

[Phillip Allen]

They are trained, equipped and I pay them to intervene on lawlessness. The phone is a device to facilitate the best outcome. Which is exactly what happened in both cases.
That is not rocket surgery.

thus, calling in artillary is peaceful?

[Chris Coose]

So Phillip, you've heard from me and from others on our stances.

From your perspective, is there any response to violence ... other than lying down to be kicked ... which is not itself implicitly violent?

Making an appropriate phone call is violent. He has spun a bearing.

[Kevin T]

He did that because he announced a while ago he would let us (me and Ian) stew in our juices, therefore, unable to write directly. He's a sly one.

He's something alright, I just don't know if I would use the term "sly" though.

[Phillip Allen]

Making an appropriate phone call is violent. He has spun a bearing.

ever heard of a hit-man? (it's reaching, I know, but Chris is in deep denial about his own violence and I'm trying to help)

[Chris Coose]

thus, calling in artillary is peaceful?

They are trained as peace officers. Artillery guys are trained to fire big guns at an enemy. Did I write they drew weapons? No they did not but they are also equipped and trained to combat massacres, perptrated by crazy gunmen. Which I am happy to pay them for.

Are you able to seperate the good guys from the bad guys or are they all bad guys?

[Glen Longino]

Make no mistake, if Phillip is ever invaded by Mexican Bandidos, Italian Mob, Yellow Jackets, or Leprosy Armadillos, he'll be on the phone to 911 whining like a baby for help.

[Phillip Allen]

Make no mistake, if Phillip is ever invaded by Mexican Bandidos, Italian Mob, Yellow Jackets, or Leprosy Armadillos, he'll be on the phone to 911 whining like a baby for help.

an aside for Glen: My nephew went with me to bump off the armadillos... then I told him about the leprosy and he carried by the tail with many paper towells... then called me the next day saying that he scrubbed and scrubbed and then itched all night... pretty funny!

[Glen Longino]

Armadillos can carry Leprosy if they're infected with it, in a lab.
Since Arkies don't do much Leprosy, armadillos are relatively safe critters.
But I can imagine your nephew scrubbing and itching and imagining his flesh falling off the bone!

[Phillip Allen]

Armadillos can carry Leprosy if they're infected with it, in a lab.
Since Arkies don't do much Leprosy, armadillos are relatively safe critters.
But I can imagine your nephew scrubbing and itching and imagining his flesh falling off the bone!

I guess I'm easy to entertain

[John of Phoenix]

6. call 911 then investigate... could become violent

YOU are going to call the "municipal thugs" to come to YOUR house?

Remarkable!

[Phillip Allen]

YOU are going to call the "municipal thugs" to come to YOUR house?

Remarkable!

I don't much like to... but it's possible... at least they should bring mops

[John of Phoenix]

Yet you give Chris a load of crap for doing the very thing that you would do - calling 911.

How do you reconcile that?

[Phillip Allen]

Yet you give Chris a load of crap for doing the very thing that you would do - calling 911.

How do you reconcile that?

I don't deny the violence of hiring a hit man... Chris does

[John of Phoenix]

No he doesn't. He's said he gladly pays for their trained services, as most of us do.

See post #189.

[Phillip Allen]

No he doesn't. He's said he gladly pays for their trained services, as most of us do.

See post #189.

he claims non violence and pasifism... like a vegetarian wearing a leather belt... I repeated it all day that the point is that we ALL have violence on the menu somewhere so do not preach to me about non-violence while doing the opposite)... he denied it then called in artillary in a peaceful manner, he brandished guns (on someone else's hip)... it was an excercise in not lying to me... I don't like that


BTW... 'Trained' is a red herring

[Glen Longino]

I don't deny the violence of hiring a hit man... Chris does

A "hit man"?
You really are going over the edge.
You might get away with that kind of Feral Arkie BS around your local coffee shop with your toothless cover-alled hick friends, but you only look stupid when you try it around here.
Your reference to policemen as "hit men" defines you as an unmitigated sociopath.
Go find a psychiatrist to help you and try not to scare the hell out of him on your first visit!

[Phillip Allen]

A "hit man"?
You really are going over the edge.
You might get away with that kind of Feral Arkie BS around your local coffee shop with your toothless cover-alled hick friends, but you only look stupid when you try it around here.
Your reference to policemen as "hit men" defines you as an unmitigated sociopath.
Go find a psychiatrist to help you and try not to scare the hell out of him on your first visit!

wanna look at some youtubes of police doing killing?

[John of Phoenix]

You're as screwed up about vegetarians as you are about everything else. It's a real hoot watching that beautiful mind of yours in action!

[Phillip Allen]

hey, Glen, ever heard of Frank Serpico?

[Glen Longino]

wanna look at some youtubes of police doing killing?

Not unless they're killing you!
You choose to view only the negative aspects of any subject.
You don't focus on the positive work policemen do!
No sweat off my cojones...knock youself out and take another anti-depression pill.

[Phillip Allen]

You're as screwed up about vegetarians as you are about everything else. It's a real hoot watching that beautiful mind of yours in action!

this angle is old stuff... you have no argument... only the blind defence of a fellow democrat... Look at Glen trying to defend his son in the absense of any accusation... He's worried

[Phillip Allen]

Not unless they're killing you!
You choose to view only the negative aspects of any subject.
You don't focus on the positive work policemen do!
No sweat off my cojones...knock youself out and take another anti-depression pill.

I have pointed out that we need policemen... but I'll keep up the heat until they clean their own house because no one else can

[John of Phoenix]

When you get to Utopia, drop us a line.

[Glen Longino]

hey, Glen, ever heard of Frank Serpico?

Yes! Do you think he's representative of all policemen?
Of course you don't, you're simply hyperventilating and crazy as a shyte-house rat!
You're losing any credibility you might have ever had.
Shame on you!

[Phillip Allen]

calm down, Glen, you're gonna hurt yourself

I wish Serpico WAS representative of all policemen. Sadly, he is not

[Glen Longino]

I have pointed out that we need policemen... but I'll keep up the heat until they clean their own house because no one else can

You'll keep up the heat? Ha! LMAO
You egomaniacal jerk! Do you think law enforcement people Anywhere are listening to your lame crap?

[Phillip Allen]

say goodnight, Gracie

[Phillip Allen]

Anaheim protesters demand 'bad cops' be fired


July 28, 2012 | 7:27am http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...-be-fired.html

A bad shoot

Gradually, the story emerges of what happened on the Danziger bridge
http://www.economist.com/node/15610132

SHOOTINGS BY POLICE

Broken trust
http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/deba..._by_police.htm

the first three I saw after googling "bad shoot"


have fun yelling at me... I suspect they were ALL 'trained'

[Glen Longino]

say goodnight, Gracie

Nope! I'm not through with you yet!
You have no idea nor any interest in the good work policemen do while you sit on your lard-arse and wax ignorant about them.
You've made a hobby of spewing BS around here for years without being held accountable for it!
The worst policeman I ever worked with was a saint compared to you and your mean mouth.

[Glen Longino]

calm down, Glen, you're gonna hurt yourself

I wish Serpico WAS representative of all policemen. Sadly, he is not

Don't tell me what to do, you pompous jerk!

[John of Phoenix]

Name a single profession that doesn't have bad apples. You have some psychological hang up with cops

Drop us line when you get to Utopia.