Is naive realism the basis for all Bilge arguments?

[John Bell]

Ever notice that anyone going slower than you is an idiot, and everyone going faster than you is a maniac?
- George Carlin


Is it possible that people driving slower than us are actually idiots and that people driving faster than us are maniacs? Absolutely. Is it possible that we are idiots for driving faster or slower than them? Absolutely... although our brains seem to steer us toward the assumption that we are right and other people acting or thinking differently from us are the deviants.



This phenomenon is called "naive realism." As naive realists, we tend to think that we see events, people, and the world as they really are, free from any distortion due to self-interest, dogma, or ideology. We also tend to assume that other fair-minded people will share our views, as long as they have the same information as I do (also known as the "truth") and that they process that information in the objective, open-minded fashion that we did.....

Read on: http://civilpolitics.org/content/if-...-naive-realism

Discuss, without using naive realism if that's even possible.

[Phillip Allen]

good topic...

[Paul Pless]

Discuss, without using naive realism. . .

You've killed your own thread.

[John Bell]

You've killed your own thread.

Hence the ""

[Phillip Allen]

remember guys... cynicism is a progressive disease

[Norman Bernstein]

remember guys... cynicism is a progressive disease

If so, then my condition is both chronic, and terminal.

[Phillip Allen]

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[LeeG]

Nope, idle time, distraction, self-indulgence and the illusion of a captive audience.

[David G]

John - guilty as charged.

You might also enjoy the book 'Why We Believe What We Believe', by Andrew Newberg He talks about this phenomenon, and goes into depth on our biological need for meaning, and how we achieve that (including the inclination you point out).

[Garret]

Odd that there should be so much discussion, as it's really very simple. I'm right & those who disagree with me are wrong. Why make it so complicated with all those fancy names?

[John Bell]

Odd that there should be so much discussion, as it's really very simple. I'm right & those who disagree with me are wrong. Why make it so complicated with all those fancy names?

You've got it!


I keep waiting for the 'reality-based' crowd to chime in on this one.

[Garret]

You've got it!


I keep waiting for the 'reality-based' crowd to chime in on this one.

Years ago, I saw a piece of true wisdom on a men's room wall in a bar I worked at: Reality is for people who can't handle drugs.

Pretty well summed it up for me!

[Harry Miller]

This causes me to admit the possibility I may be wrong; thus giving me a reason for hope as if I'm right we are in for a lot of trouble.
Thanks, truly.

Read on: http://civilpolitics.org/content/if-...-naive-realism

Discuss, without using naive realism if that's even possible.

[Glen Longino]

you've killed your own thread, you idiot!

ftfy

[John Bell]

Years ago, I saw a piece of true wisdom on a men's room wall in a bar I worked at: Reality is for people who can't handle drugs.

Pretty well summed it up for me!

I need this t-shirt:



Actually, we all need this t-shirt because that's what we're going to do anyway.

[Norman Bernstein]

I need this t-shirt:



Actually, we all need this t-shirt because that's what we're going to do anyway.

It's $26.95, at the www.discover.com/mythbusters store:

[PhaseLockedLoop]

From Hunter Thomson on Grantland Rice:

"Like all great sportswriters, Rice understood that his world might go all to pieces if he ever dared to doubt that his eyes were wired straight to his lower brain — a sort of de facto lobotomy, which enables the grinning victim to operate entirely on the level of Sensory Perception...."

[Kaa]

:-)

Kaa

[John Bell]

ftfy

Glen, LOL.

[skuthorp]

Odd that there should be so much discussion, as it's really very simple. I'm right & those who disagree with me are wrong. Why make it so complicated with all those fancy names?

Except SWMBO, she's always right. Even when she's not.

[Garret]

Excellent point - which I conveniently forgot as she wasn't there when I wrote that..... I'll be reminded soon enough though!

[Meli]

A serious answer

I suppose it depends on your sex.
Women are better at self analyzing their responses to situations and less narcistic

[LeeG]

A serious answer

I suppose it depends on your sex.
Women are better at self analyzing their responses to situations and less narcistic

I find life is easier when I'm the center of the universe

[Meli]

Narcissistic? see, I admit I can't spell

[Kaa]

Women are better at self analyzing their responses to situations and less narcistic

Says a woman.

Kaa

[purri]

I'm with R.D. LAING on this one.

I need this t-shirt:



Actually, we all need this t-shirt because that's what we're going to do anyway.

[Michael D. Storey]

What Carlin actually said was, 'Ever notice that anyone driving faster than you is a jackass and anyone driving slower is an a-hole?' That's what he said, or at least said to me. Forget this naive realism. It is all relative. I mean, I am not discussing what reality is, or relativity, for that matter. We all have a existential concept floating around in our heads that would put our collective definitions in the same county; I mean if not, we would not be able to annoy each other so well.
And that goes for that naive business, too. What is that, but an opinion expressed based upon your concept that someone else knows less than you. So, get, as my Mother used to say, down off of your high horse. It's Friday night, at least here in America, or should I say the Americas. So let's us all do try to have a pleasant evening

[Meli]

Says a woman.

Kaa

You don't do satire well do you?

[Kaa]

You don't do satire well do you?

Nah, not really, I'm just a simple Bilge rat, can't expect much of me... :-P

Kaa

[purri]

So where does naiive exceptionalism fit in?

[JimD]

That's the worst definition and example of naive realism I've ever encountered.