Gaff rigged trailerable, centerboarded 18-20' daysailer

[Thierry]

Hi Clinton,

I am familiar with the rig. I built and sail an engineless gaff-rigged Wylo II 35' centerboarder. I crossed the Atlantic 3 times in it with small kids and wife. I have a main topsail on a 17' yard and have no problem setting it up and retrieving it alone. I don't foresee any problem with a much smaller one.

If you google Wylo II you will realize that my dream daysailer looks quite similar to the Wylo II! The Wylo II is my ideal cruiser but it's not a daysailer.

As I mentionned in post 37 I just trailer the boat twice a year.

Never said it was Terry if you reread what I wrote in post #28. I was clarifying that Jewell has a self-bailing cockpit.

I'll also take the opp. to try to convince the original poster that a topsail cutter is not going to make a very trailerable sailboat, unless they are only going out a few times a season and have a lot of time for setting up. Then it is an OK idea.

[JimD]

Wylo II ?

[skaraborgcraft]

Yeah thats a Wylo! Design by Nick Skeats,nice bloke.

[AnalogKid]

As I mentionned in post 37 I just trailer the boat twice a year.

Hi Thierry,

I'm not qualified to comment on the design, but if the trailering requirements are just for an annual haul-out and re-launch, the first of your list of specs (compromises) that I think you should be flexible on is weight. For twice a year, how much trouble would it be to beg/borrow/rent a more capable towing vehicle?

Andy.

[Sayla]

Hi Thierry,

I'm not qualified to comment on the design, but if the trailering requirements are just for an annual haul-out and re-launch, the first of your list of specs (compromises) that I think you should be flexible on is weight. For twice a year, how much trouble would it be to beg/borrow/rent a more capable towing vehicle?

Andy.

Twice a year certainly isn't much trailering - one issue though ends up being the price of the trailer - at a certain weight they seem to rise exponentially, but generally that starts well above the stated spec of 1500 lbs - my single axle 6x4 box trailer is even rated at 1700, and it handles over 2000 before it's looking stressed - I think the price steps at tandem but rises a lot once your over 2500-3000lb - lower end of tandem seems a safe option for the valuable cargo

[Full Tilt]

Sorry if this has been already posted.

I am looking for a suitable design to replace my Nordica 16 which is almost ideal but not quite.

The criteria are the following:

length 18 to 20' + bowsprit
beam 5 to 6'
draft ±18" +centerboard
displacement max 1500lbs (to be towed by a VW Golf diesel manual transmission for short distances)
long keel, transom rudder behind keel, centerboard through keel and ballast, ability to sail over ropes in crowded harbour and in lobster season
ability to tack with centerboard up in very shallow water
self tacking gaff rigged cutter with jib and club boom on the staysail, yarded main topsail for light wind performance
stiff enough to sail alone, self-bailing cockpit big enough for 4 people
6½' long cockpit benches, small cabin for gear and occasional overnight for 2 people
deck-stepped mast in tabernacle, boom gooseneck mounted on tabernacle
no engine but a sweep or a yuloh for auxilary propulsion
easy to build and maintain

Thanks for your input

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If your 16' Nordica is 'near perfect', wouldn't the Nordica 20' be an obvious 'next boat'?
My first cruises were in my Dad's 20' Nordic-Halman and they are practically being given away these days. I saw one go for FIFTY BUCKS at auction recently!
Build yourself a lovely little wooden nutshell pram to go with it, if you crave the smell of wood shavings.
Mike

[Thierry]

If your 16' Nordica is 'near perfect', wouldn't the Nordica 20' be an obvious 'next boat'?

Build yourself a lovely little wooden nutshell pram to go with it, if you crave the smell of wood shavings.
Mike

I don't need another cruising boat.

I am not looking for a woodenboat design.
I have a steel boat (Wylo II design), a plastic boat (Nordica 16) and 4 wooden dinghies (3 Bolger designs and one of my own). They all fill their purposes. Choice of material is not an issue. I would actually welcome a design in aluminium.
This forum, even though it is sponsored by Woodenboat is about designs and plans as far as I know. On the other hand a design can often be adapted to another material.

Cheers

[Bluster Boat]

What about a Chebacco 20? Ticks most of your boxes, as they say.

Fair winds,
Randy

http://chebaccowanderings.blogspot.ca/


chebaco.jpg

[Thierry]

What about a Chebacco 20?

You are the first one to suggest a Bolger. I was wondering if this would happen. Is he already forgotten? Good reminder, thanks. Hull form is similar to the Roger Dongray designed Cornish Shrimper or is it not?

No other suggestions from Atkin or Michalak?

[Wayne Jeffers]

. . . No other suggestions from Atkin or Michalak?

Take a look at the Atkin Wild Onion with the Red Onion gaff sail plan. I recently purchased the plans this way - Mrs. Atkin graciously included the extra gaff sail sail plan (2 of them, actually.) It's a little beamier than your spec (7') and it has a flat keel, but it might meet your needs pretty well. Hull construction is specified as board-and batten, but it's suitable for plywood if that be your choice.

http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/WildOnion.html

http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/RedOnion.html

Wayne

[Brian W.]

Are you familiar with Charles Stock and Shoal Waters, his 17-foot engineless gaff cutter on the east coast of England? He has had to retire from sailing, but he put about 70,000 miles on it over 40 years (mostly on weekends), and the boat now has a new owner. The boat started as a bare hull Fairy Falcon which Stock then put a gaff cutter rig with topsail on. I think the boat is very close to what you are looking for, and someone with your experience could probably take a hull available today and do the same. Most of his writings are available on-line, and the new owner of Shoal Waters has continued the tradition.

[keyhavenpotterer]

Reading your spec, my thoughts went straight to the Wolstenholme designed Kite.



http://www.wolstenholmedesign.com/kite.htm

http://www.wolstenholmedesign.com/im...eview-wc84.pdf

Brian

[skaraborgcraft]

No plans availiable......might be an issue.

[keyhavenpotterer]

Andrew makes his living supplying plans and designs. There is one being built in Dorset just now, so plans must be available.

Brian

[skaraborgcraft]

QUOTE: "If you are interested in a Kite please contact me for further details. At this time it is still not my intention to make plans available for home builders." UNQUOTE . From the link you provided.

Cheers

[Thierry]

Are you familiar with Charles Stock and Shoal Waters, his 17-foot engineless gaff cutter on the east coast of England?

Thanks Brian,

no I did not know of him nor his boat though I lived 5 years in Oxford and was sailing and racing regularly on the Isis.
I just started to have a look at the website http://shoal-waters.moonfruit.com/. Great reading

[Thierry]

Reading your spec, my thoughts went straight to the Wolstenholme designed Kite.



http://www.wolstenholmedesign.com/kite.htm

http://www.wolstenholmedesign.com/im...eview-wc84.pdf

Brian

Very attractive boat though I'd like to see more of the underwater profile and of the design.

I think I found something no one has mentionned that I like a lot: http://slidercat.com/blog/wordpress/, though it doesn't fill all my requirements...

Thanks again for all your suggestions.

[Thad]

George Holme EEL: http://www.canoeyawl.org/?p=441
There are a number of other Humber Yawl Club type cruisers by Albert Strange, Holmes, and others that were designed for just this sort of use and style.

[Thad]

George Holme EEL: http://www.canoeyawl.org/?p=441
There are a number of other Humber Yawl Club type cruisers by Albert Strange, Holmes, and others that were designed for just this sort of use and style.

[Yeadon]

Very attractive boat though I'd like to see more of the underwater profile and of the design.

I think I found something no one has mentionned that I like a lot: http://slidercat.com/blog/wordpress/, though it doesn't fill all my requirements...

Thanks again for all your suggestions.

About the Kite ... there's a photo of her on a trailer in this pdf that shows a little bit of her hull shape.

http://www.wolstenholmedesign.com/im...annon_WC94.pdf

[RodB]

One seaworthy craft that can be set up during construction to meet most of your list...

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...ghlight=Sjogin



RodB