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    Oogh... kinda hurts...

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    Prolly what happens when you don't pay your bill at the marina!

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    Make a grown man Cry !!!

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    I appreciate the sentiment attached to this - this boat was probably a part of somebody at some point, and it is sad to see it go. But all in all, it is an inanimate object. By naming boats, I think we personalize them, and for many, boats have taken them through life-threatening situations to safety. So it is easy to get attached, but it does not change the fact that it is still an inanimate object.

    I think that we tend to think that when we take leave of a physical object, we lose all the experiences that went with that object. My wife felt that way when we sold our first house, but the memories did not transfer at the closing. They went with us, and they are still with us.

    Whatever the history of that boat was, the memories went with the owners and are not in the landfill. That's assuming the former owner outlasted the boat - not a given when it comes to wooden boats. Some time it takes a bulldozer.

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    The discussion at the end sounded like "hull 828, H1... Herreshoff 1" Don't know if those numbers make sense, but that's what it sounded like. Chip

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip Chester View Post
    The discussion at the end sounded like "hull 828, H1... Herreshoff 1" Don't know if those numbers make sense, but that's what it sounded like. Chip
    I think he was asking if it was an H-28, and the answer was it was a Herreshoff 1? Which doesn't make sense to me. Hopefully it was not hull number 1??
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    I hope they at least salvaged everything they could off the boat before tossing it away like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeRust View Post
    I hope they at least salvaged everything they could off the boat before tossing it away like that.
    Thats what I was thinking.

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    I didn't see any winches on board and noticed that they'd removed the instruments from the cabin bulkhead. Hopefully they pulled that windlass off the foredeck, too. I believe the anchor was removed between the first shot and last. I'm thinking that the keel was iron, as they would have certainly saved a lead keel for salvage value.
    The hull was certainly iron sick and very neglected. The stern post was definately shot, so it's a good bet that the rest of the framing was in really bad shape also. I've seen worst cases rebuilt, but there's more cases like this than there are people willing to take on such a big task.
    But, that rudder would look good mounted on a wall to let the world know that a beautiful boat once existed.

    As to inanimate objects, there's something about wooden boats as opposed to plastic ones that make them special. Perhaps it's the fact that so much heart and soul goes into their construction as opposed to being popped out of a mold.

    I recently sold my home of 30 years. It was hard to part with it, but I found that I don't miss the house like I thought I would. The fond memories are still there.
    However, twenty years ago I sold a 20' gaff-rigged that I'd spent four years building. I still miss that boat and wonder how she's faired.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbb View Post
    But all in all, it is an inanimate object.
    ................but it does not change the fact that it is still an inanimate object.
    Not sure what your point is here. What difference does it make if the object is animate or inanimate? Human or non-human?

    Regarding what might have been salvaged from the hulk, it looked like nothing was. In monetary terms the most valuable thing would have been her lead keel, with lead being the price it is these days. Of course later on one of those 'dozers may have picked up the keel and taken it ...................... somewhere.
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    That ain't no way to treat a lady. They photog was right to question whether he wanted to get involved with a project of that scale though. After owning an iron fastened H-28 for 7 years I finally gave up the battle of rusty bungs and donated it to a charity. At some point you just have to say "WTF!"
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    Way up in the hills of Vermont I saw a similar boat today as I was on my way to my granddaughter's birthday party. She was at least a 34 footer and was on the hard next to a good sized man made pond. Was she a cabana? Maybe too far gone to restore but with a little care she will delight the eye as folks drive by and maybe inspire so youngster as he dry sails her next to that pond... better than the dump. BTW I am pretty sure that a lot of hardware went in the dump that day.

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    Where is the lead? That keel looked intact and that thing didn't sail unballasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnJ2ds View Post
    Not sure what your point is here. What difference does it make if the object is animate or inanimate? Human or non-human?
    Probably a better topic for the bilge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbb View Post
    Probably a better topic for the bilge.
    Indeed. I'll leave it alone, I think.
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    As an H28 owner, of a much older boat, this is really hard to stomach! Just like a wife or girl friend, a wooden boat really needs constant reassurance in the form of loving care!
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    That's just wrong; what makes it even worse is that was our local Marina and dump.

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    I've watched this process dozens of times with all sorts of hull types (including a Herreschoff) What's interesting to me is that the ballast was left on the hull. In Marin County, they are always separated and sold off to the junkman including engines and tanks. I understand that no fuel may be left aboard, and would not be surprised if the lead was seen as "toxic waste", and not allowed in the local landfills.

    Concrete boats seem to take the most work to wreck. The local yard uses an ingenious way of chopping them up. A 20' I-beam with a web of about 24" is held up by a crane on one end. It is raised over the hull, and dropped, neatly slicing through any rebar and concrete. The really impressive part is when it cleaves all the way through and hits the asphalt pavement... the tremors can almost be seen as they shock wave propagates with each blow.

    Fiberglass boats are the messiest as the chainsaws get dull and the glass rods shoot all over the place.

    Wooden boats are always interesting to see chopped up as the quality of the wood used to build them is always easily viewed. High ring count African Mahogany must have been dirt cheap in the 40's/50's.. too bad it can't really be re-used.. but what the heck.. wait long enough and today's trees will be "old growth" in a few hundred years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianM View Post
    but what the heck.. wait long enough and today's trees will be "old growth" in a few hundred years...
    Well.....actually they won't....the growth cycle and nature of the forest have changed radically (for most trees that will become lumber) so that the wood will never be "tight-grain" or "clear".....but today trees are grown to make pulp not fine lumber.

    "Old-growth" struggled to survive right from the seedling, they grew in the shadow of giants in a mixed forest and had to be tough to survive. They grew very slowly. Today trees are seedlings in a greenhouse (with fertilizer) and planted as a hybrid mono-culture crop in a clear field. Fast growth of woodfibre is more important than structural qualities. None has to struggle any more than its neighbors, thus the weak and spindly do just fine. In 30 years they are harvested for more toilet paper......
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Well.....actually they won't....the growth cycle and nature of the forest have changed radically (for most trees that will become lumber) so that the wood will never be "tight-grain" or "clear".....but today trees are grown to make pulp not fine lumber.

    "Old-growth" struggled to survive right from the seedling, they grew in the shadow of giants in a mixed forest and had to be tough to survive. They grew very slowly. Today trees are seedlings in a greenhouse (with fertilizer) and planted as a hybrid mono-culture crop in a clear field. Fast growth of woodfibre is more important than structural qualities. None has to struggle any more than its neighbors, thus the weak and spindly do just fine. In 30 years they are harvested for more toilet paper......

    I just spent the weekend in a local Redwood and Douglas Fir forest camping. The natural progress of a forest will always prevail when left alone. The trees continue to compete for space and spawn new seedlings/saplings. Birds will always drop seedlings in their dung, cross planting even "Farms". If you leave an African Forest alone, eventually you will have once again, high quality Mahogany lumber.

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    They won't have the time, all over PNG and Indonesia and often enough illegally as as a result of official and political corruption rainforest is being cleared for Palm Oil plantations. It will never grow back and the fauna, like Orangs? Dead.

    http://www.habitatadvocate.com.au/?t...il-plantations

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    They won't have the time, all over PNG and Indonesia and often enough illegally as as a result of official and political corruption rainforest is being cleared for Palm Oil plantations. It will never grow back and the fauna, like Orangs? Dead.

    http://www.habitatadvocate.com.au/?t...il-plantations

    It kills me to see truck beds lined with Ipe.. why not just build a steel deck that will never rot?

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