Liberal hypocrisy

[Paul Pless]

Earlier today, after Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid publicly called for Romney to release his tax returns, they were asked to release their own. Pelosi's response, "Let's not be silly."

She went on to say, “The disclosure that we have is full and complete,” she added, noting that she's met all of the financial disclosure obligations required of Congress.

Well, hasn't Romney met all the disclosure requirements as well?

[B_B]

Earlier today, after Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid publicly called for Romney to release his tax returns, they were asked to release their own. Pelosi's response, "Let's not be silly."

She went on to say, “The disclosure that we have is full and complete,” she added, noting that she's met all of the financial disclosure obligations required of Congress.

Well, hasn't Romney met all the disclosure requirements as well?

Where's your calling out of Kristol and all the other righties who are calling for Romney's taxes?
Do you think they too ought to disclose?

But they don't receive your opprobrium? Talk about kettles and pots and other silliness.

[switters]

Well in this little community we all have our job, and pointing out every flaw of Romney's including fashion faux pas is job shared by many.

Paul is just trying to bring a little balance to the universe without going all sith lord on yo librul (_!_)

[Shang]

...Well, hasn't Romney met all the disclosure requirements as well?

Why won't Romney disclose his financial information?

[wardd]

people are free to vote for whomever they want for whatever reason they want

so if enough people are saying they won't vote for romney unless he discloses more returns, that's their right

romney isn't entitled to be president so if he wants the job bad enough he better give the people what they want

all obama is doing is pointing out that romney may have something to hide, other than that he can't make them vote one way or the other

[wardd]

You're correct. But I suspect very few voters are interested in his tax returns. The people on this forum who keep beating this drum wouldn't vote for him if his tax return said that he gave 100% of his income to Planned Parenthood, so what they think doesn't really make much difference in the scheme of things.

his campaign seems to think otherwise and we shall see

[johnw]

I think they should release their tax forms. The more politicians do that, the more we'll know about the people running our country. I do understand why they won't. They'll face an election of their own soon enough, and they'll want to leverage those tax forms to get reciprocity from their opponents. I think they should release them now anyway.

[Paul Pless]

Where's your calling out of Kristol and all the other righties who are calling for Romney's taxes?
Do you think they too ought to disclose?

But they don't receive your opprobrium? Talk about kettles and pots and other silliness.

Sure there ought to be full disclosure from all the bastards. But, the title of this thread, is Liberal Hypocrisy.

[McMike]

I agree Paul. Folks who would like to be a part of any of the three branches should be subject to the same scrutiny and that scrutiny should be greater than it is now, especially when it comes to money and how it was "earned". NP has just as much obligation, IMO, as Romney and should be expected to match her level of disclosure with her expectations of what Romney should disclose.

Now that I have answered to that issue; I feel that the questions being asked of Romney in regard to his involvement with BC and the call for him to reveal his all of his tax returns is reasonable considering the power he is looking to be trusted with.

[ljb5]

The people on this forum who keep beating this drum wouldn't vote for him if his tax return said that he gave 100% of his income to Planned Parenthood, so what they think doesn't really make much difference in the scheme of things.

It doesn't make much difference among those of us who won't vote for him.... but what about those who might?

I find it odd that his biggest supporters are those whe demand not to know.

That's blind faith.

[Kevin T]

When they give old Nancy the launch codes, then we should see everything, till then. . . bah!

[wardd]

isn't that up to nancys constituents?

[Kaa]

I agree Paul. Folks who would like to be a part of any of the three branches should be subject to the same scrutiny and that scrutiny should be greater than it is now, especially when it comes to money and how it was "earned".

There's a price for that, too, y'know. Competent, decent folks walk away from considering a position in "any of the three branches" because they don't want a posse of malicious lawyers and media digging for dirt through all the details of their lives.

Kaa

[McMike]

When they give old Nancy the launch codes, then we should see everything, till then. . . bah!

isn't that up to nancys constituents?

Cheerleaders . . . hypocrites . . . ridiculous . . .

[wardd]

Cheerleaders . . . hypocrites . . . ridiculous . . .

she was elected, romney has yet to be elected

[McMike]

There's a price for that, too, y'know. Competent, decent folks walk away from considering a position in "any of the three branches" because they don't want a posse of malicious lawyers and media digging for dirt through all the details of their lives.

Kaa

Soooo . . . we get a bunch of folks with considerable conflicts of interest instead? There has got to be a solution other than "it's too hard so we're not going to do anything about corruption and cronyism".

[wardd]

Soooo . . . we get a bunch of folks with considerable conflicts of interest instead? There has got to be a solution other than "it's too hard so we're not going to do anything about corruption and cronyism".

and your suggestion is?

[McMike]

she was elected, romney has yet to be elected

By Dems who should have been as hard on her as they are being to Romney. You lose . . .

[pefjr]

Romney taxes are important to libs, they are facinated by rich folks, but Obama's dodge behind executive privilege concerning government corruption doesn't matter.

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

Earlier today, after Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid publicly called for Romney to release his tax returns, they were asked to release their own. Pelosi's response, "Let's not be silly."

She went on to say, “The disclosure that we have is full and complete,” she added, noting that she's met all of the financial disclosure obligations required of Congress.

Well, hasn't Romney met all the disclosure requirements as well?

It's nice of you to take pity on Willard but Willard is going to take Alabama ever since those other Republican loonies lost in the primries.

If Willard wants to be president he has to put some distance on Obama. He ain't going to get that lead if he continues to act like his tax returns are radioactive. If he doesn't understand that he is probably not presidential material.

[Kaa]

Soooo . . . we get a bunch of folks with considerable conflicts of interest instead? There has got to be a solution other than "it's too hard so we're not going to do anything about corruption and cronyism".

I'm sorry, what does corruption and cronysm has to do with digging up dirt on people before they are elected?

Kaa

[Phillip Allen]

there was a long program on NPR the seeming conclusion of which pointed to hypocracy... of all of the over 500 individual requests for tax returns from congress, only 17 complied... Palosi was not among em

[McMike]

I'm sorry, what does corruption and cronysm has to do with digging up dirt on people before they are elected?

Kaa

Precedence of character and one more word . . . Halliburton. I have to admit, I thought you were smart enough to have answered that for yourself.

[wardd]

By Dems who should have been as hard on her as they are being to Romney. You lose . . .

no

she was elected, she won

you lose

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

You're correct. But I suspect very few voters are interested in his tax returns. The people on this forum who keep beating this drum wouldn't vote for him if his tax return said that he gave 100% of his income to Planned Parenthood, so what they think doesn't really make much difference in the scheme of things.

Yo! Duck!
Jumping on Willard "Richie Rich" Romney is the treat of a lifetime. If you knew where I started from you would understand how I cherish this opportunity. Willard wouldn't make much of a president anyway.

[Kaa]

Precedence of character and one more word . . . Halliburton. I have to admit, I thought you were smart enough to have answered that for yourself.

Um, nope, I'm not smart enough :-P

But lemme ask, how well do you think this all works? Let's take the military-industrial complex. To be anyone in there you need security clearances, so there's lots of digging, background checks, etc. etc. So, presumably, there is no cronysm or corruption there, right?

Before we continue, let me point out that I'm not arguing for no disclosure at all. I am arguing that this is not a situation where more is always better, that there are certain boundaries crossing which makes costs (as people unwilling to take it walk away) higher than the benefits.

Kaa

[Kaa]

Yo! Duck!
Jumping on Willard "Richie Rich" Romney is the treat of a lifetime.

Ah. Well, everyone gets his jollies in whatever way he can...

Kaa

[Glen Longino]

Last I heard, Romney had disclosed only one(1)year's income tax records...2010 or 2011 as I recall.
I'd like to see his records from 1999-2003, but no worries, I can't force him, and I would not vote for him regardless.

[bobbys]

It doesn't make much difference among those of us who won't vote for him.... but what about those who might?

I find it odd that his biggest supporters are those whe demand not to know.

That's blind faith.

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Odd..... A guy that claims Executive privilege over Fast and Furious wants full Paperwork from a challenger.

[B_B]

Sure there ought to be full disclosure from all the bastards. But, the title of this thread, is Liberal Hypocrisy.

Troll.

[Tom Montgomery]

Anyone who claims their business acumen qualifies them to be elected to public office should be willing to allow full public scrutiny of their business.

[Glen Longino]

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Odd..... A guy that claims Executive privilege over Fast and Furious wants full Paperwork from a challenger.

Apples and Oranges!
Do you have any understanding whatsoever of the concept of Executive Privilege?
No?
I figgered!

[LeeG]

Why won't Romney disclose his financial information?

baby kittens were killed for his millions, I mean think of the kittens!!

[seanz]

Sure there ought to be full disclosure from all the bastards. But, the title of this thread, is Liberal Hypocrisy.

How about abundant hypocrisy instead?


Maybe, just maybe, the right-wing hypocrites shouldn't have pushed the 'birther' issue as hard as they did?

[Ted Hoppe]

Isn't this the real issue of this election... hypocrisy vs fairness?

[JimD]

Ms Pelosi has asked people not to be silly yet still some persist. What is one devoted public servant to do in the face of such silliness?

[switters]

from the Peoples Cube (Hey Milo),

According to Washington Post, President Obama warned supporters that Republicans have boiled down their campaign to a single phrase: It’s Obama’s fault. "You can pretty much put their campaign on a tweet and have some characters to spare," Obama said, adding that these attempts at finger-pointing are pathetic lies because everyone knows the nation's current troubles are all George W. Bush's fault.

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

I agree Paul. Folks who would like to be a part of any of the three branches should be subject to the same scrutiny and that scrutiny should be greater than it is now, especially when it comes to money and how it was "earned". NP has just as much obligation, IMO, as Romney and should be expected to match her level of disclosure with her expectations of what Romney should disclose.

Now that I have answered to that issue; I feel that the questions being asked of Romney in regard to his involvement with BC and the call for him to reveal his all of his tax returns is reasonable considering the power he is looking to be trusted with.

Suspicians confirmed, dude! A former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives is only "NP" but your guy Willard gets his full surname. You forgot the "St". prefix.

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

Ah. Well, everyone gets his jollies in whatever way he can...

Kaa

Certainly.
Willard can retire to that offshore banking haven and be close to his money.

[John Smith]

Earlier today, after Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid publicly called for Romney to release his tax returns, they were asked to release their own. Pelosi's response, "Let's not be silly."

She went on to say, “The disclosure that we have is full and complete,” she added, noting that she's met all of the financial disclosure obligations required of Congress.

Well, hasn't Romney met all the disclosure requirements as well?

Given the way things work today, did you see the interview or just clips? I just want to make sure it's not taken out of context.

I'm trying to figure out why you can't see the difference between Pelosi who's been in congress for many years and Romney who is running for President on his experience in creating jobs and handling money.

When are YOU going to get tired of him being so secret, not just about his taxes, but of his actual proposals for getting the country on track. Near as I can tell he won't disclose where he'll cut. Meanwhile, he has given his support to the Ryan budget, although that was a few months ago: he's likely got a different position now.

[John Smith]

Well in this little community we all have our job, and pointing out every flaw of Romney's including fashion faux pas is job shared by many.

Paul is just trying to bring a little balance to the universe without going all sith lord on yo librul (_!_)

I'm all for balance. Please show me clips of Romney being taken out of context so as to change the meaning of his words.

[John Smith]

I agree Paul. Folks who would like to be a part of any of the three branches should be subject to the same scrutiny and that scrutiny should be greater than it is now, especially when it comes to money and how it was "earned". NP has just as much obligation, IMO, as Romney and should be expected to match her level of disclosure with her expectations of what Romney should disclose.

Now that I have answered to that issue; I feel that the questions being asked of Romney in regard to his involvement with BC and the call for him to reveal his all of his tax returns is reasonable considering the power he is looking to be trusted with.

I think this is a much smaller problem than it is being made out to be. Granted, the tax return thing puts Romney is a box of sorts, but the much bigger problem we have, as a nation, is political ads and candidates boldly lying about matters of fact and taking things dramatcially out of context.

I really don't understand why so many accept this.

[John Smith]

It doesn't make much difference among those of us who won't vote for him.... but what about those who might?

I find it odd that his biggest supporters are those whe demand not to know.

That's blind faith.

Excellent post.

[John Smith]

By Dems who should have been as hard on her as they are being to Romney. You lose . . .

I don't understand where you think the Dems are being hard on Romney. No one's accusing him of being a Muslim or demanding to see his birth certificate.

"Finances" and the economy are what Romney presents as his qualifications for the office. Since he brings this up as his strong point, it is reasonable to expect him to show us his resume.

This is only one of many pieces in the Mitt Romney puzzle. It appears he left Bain depending totally on who was asking and what answer was to his advantage at that time to give.

He also will not tell us what loopholes he'll close. He says he'll close loopholes. Would it be being hard on him to insist he let us know which ones?

[John Smith]

Romney taxes are important to libs, they are facinated by rich folks, but Obama's dodge behind executive privilege concerning government corruption doesn't matter.

This is the problem. I am all for an investigation, if you wish, of Fast and Furious and similar programs. All I would ask is all people involved be investigated. Holder ended the program. Seems an honest investigation would begin with those who started it.

[John Smith]

I wonder how many here remember the Clarke memo, the Aug. 6 PDB, and Rice's testimony regarding these two documents. Her initial testimony was Clarke did not send her a memo on January 25. Then she acknowledged the memo, but disagreed with Clarke's description of its content. Then the memo was declassified: it said exactly what Clarke said it said. She also lied about the PDB. I think it was Bob Kerry who had to work to get her to admit the title of that memo, "Bin Laden determined to attack in US". She had lied about that, also, but it also became declassified and we all knew she lied.

Now there's folks who think she should be VP. No wonder our country is failing.

[Kaa]

Certainly.
Willard can retire to that offshore banking haven and be close to his money.

Weren't you one of those people who objected when others called Obama by his full name, Barack Hussein?

But I guess when an opportunity to risklessly express all that hate inside you "is the treat of a lifetime", well. I am sorry.

Kaa

[McMike]

I don't understand where you think the Dems are being hard on Romney.

Sure you don't understand, because "you" aren't being hard on Romney. You are, however, blind to Obama's faults and that of the Dems in general. You should be equally as hard on both parties for they are both filled with seriously flawed individuals and are, at best, part of a highly dysfunctional government. Yes, I agree that one side is the worse of the two, that dosen't give the Dems the right to strut around all self ritchious and what not.

[Paul Pless]

Thank you Mike. You nailed it, we are inundated by dozens of Romney and RWW threads a day - and mostly deserving, if a bit boring, to tell the truth. While at the same time, Obama and the left gets a mostly free pass from any real criticism.

[McMike]

Um, nope, I'm not smart enough :-P

But lemme ask, how well do you think this all works? Let's take the military-industrial complex. To be anyone in there you need security clearances, so there's lots of digging, background checks, etc. etc. So, presumably, there is no cronysm or corruption there, right?

Before we continue, let me point out that I'm not arguing for no disclosure at all. I am arguing that this is not a situation where more is always better, that there are certain boundaries crossing which makes costs (as people unwilling to take it walk away) higher than the benefits.

Kaa

Fair enough. I can't argue against there being a limit to prying. I'm not certain that we have come close enough to that boundary yet.