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    Default Re: on the Origin of Centerboards

    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    I'd like to find the plans for the sharpie David Brooks built from plans in found in Forest & Stream, published in 1886.
    Go to the website referenced above, find 1886. These volumes had indices, but you may enjoy paging through. The site creator allows you to download pages as PDFs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Fuller View Post
    Go to the website referenced above, find 1886. These volumes had indices, but you may enjoy paging through. The site creator allows you to download pages as PDFs.
    Been doing that, no results yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Been doing that, no results yet.
    On this link https://archive.org/search.php?query...hing+Co.%5D%22 you will find about 50 volumes of Forest & Stream. when you open a volume, you can search words and phrases within the volume. There are two search boxes in the upper right corner. You want the lower black one. Length over all will get to some plans, but not all of them.

    1886 is split between 3 volumes, 25, 26 and 27. I didn't see any sharpie plans in 1886. The name of the boat would be a lot easier to work with. It should be in the index. The page number in the index can be typed in the url without the n (index page ends with /page/n5

    This is an example chosen for the amusing comments in the voyage of the Coot concerning the shifting of ballast in sandbaggers https://archive.org/details/ForeststreamXXVI/page/356 bottom of far left column.

    Ben, 15 ft sneakbox https://archive.org/details/ForeststreamXXXVB/page/482
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN Dave View Post
    On this link https://archive.org/search.php?query...hing+Co.%5D%22 you will find about 50 volumes of Forest & Stream. when you open a volume, you can search words and phrases within the volume. There are two search boxes in the upper right corner. You want the lower black one. Length over all will get to some plans, but not all of them.

    1886 is split between 3 volumes, 25, 26 and 27. I didn't see any sharpie plans in 1886. The name of the boat would be a lot easier to work with. It should be in the index. The page number in the index can be typed in the url without the n (index page ends with /page/n5

    This is an example chosen for the amusing comments in the voyage of the Coot concerning the shifting of ballast in sandbaggers https://archive.org/details/ForeststreamXXVI/page/356 bottom of far left column.

    Ben, 15 ft sneakbox https://archive.org/details/ForeststreamXXXVB/page/482
    There's a search function in Ben's link as well, and I didn't find any plans for sharpies that way, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    I'd like to find the plans for the sharpie David Brooks built from plans in found in Forest & Stream, published in 1886.
    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Douglas Brooks built a racing sharpie from plans in an 1886 edition of Forest & Stream. Note how much lower the bottom of the transom is than on working sharpies.
    http://www.douglasbrooksboatbuilding.com/sharpie.html
    You could ask Douglas http://www.douglasbrooksboatbuilding.com/contact.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN Dave View Post
    Yes, I've sent him an email. Usually, I don't like bothering people if I can find stuff on my own, but in this case, I can't.

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    Did you look at the indices for each one of the volumes? The search functions in both of the sites is pretty lame. I end up doing it the hard way, writing or printing out or screen grabbing the index then look up the pages. Clapham is also a key to sharpies; he is involved in the various discussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN Dave View Post
    I used the archive site for a while but found the other one easier to use, do pdf downloads and screen grabs. You'll find lots of sneakbox modifications in F&S after the publication of Bishop's book. The gunning boxes all had daggerboards until the sneaks got adopted by yacht clubs. I've found the 15 footers up at the Adirondack League Club.
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    Mr. Brooks was quick to respond. Turns out I'm not finding the plans because that's not quite what he was working with:

    What I found in an old Forest & Stream were the principal dimensions of what was described as a smaller racing sharpie. I carved a half model using the dimensions and scaled the lines from it to build the boat. Given our project timeline and budget there was no way to build one of the famous Burlington 36-foot racing sharpies, something I’ve wanted to do ever since.
    End of thread drift.

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    Default Re: on the Origin of Centerboards

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Fuller View Post
    I used the archive site for a while but found the other one easier to use, do pdf downloads and screen grabs. You'll find lots of sneakbox modifications in F&S after the publication of Bishop's book. The gunning boxes all had daggerboards until the sneaks got adopted by yacht clubs. I've found the 15 footers up at the Adirondack League Club.
    I forgot to mention that you can use the browser word search to find key words almost instantly if you scroll down to the DOWNLOAD OPTIONS box and select full text. You can copy the text. You do need to put up with things like random OCR errors and the hyphen in tuck-up.
    Text: https://archive.org/stream/Foreststr...XXVIA_djvu.txt
    Image: https://archive.org/details/ForeststreamXXVIA/page/56
    I have searched in vain in your columns for a description of the Philadelphia tuck-up.
    AS for thread drift and sharpie plans, the 1886 volume did recommend Small Yachts by Kunhart for sharpie plans.
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    The daggerboard came first. Then someone hit a submerged rock while going pretty fast, and voila!, the first centerboard.
    I will beg you for advice, your reply will be concise, and I will listen very nicely and then go out and do exactly what I want! (Apologies to Lerner and Lowe.)

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    Default Re: on the Origin of Centerboards

    Quote Originally Posted by alkorn View Post
    The daggerboard came first. Then someone hit a submerged rock while going pretty fast, and voila!, the first centerboard.
    https://youtu.be/QKVS8TMork4?t=22
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