meaningless election year pandering

[Paul Pless]

Obama begins to push extension of middle class tax cuts.

It doesn't stand a chance in Hell of passing, and furthermore what we really need is an overhaul of our entire tax system including a raising of rates across all income categories.

And, while we're on the subject, wonder how many folks recognize that the AHCA 'mandate' is actually a quite regressive tax, subsidies notwithstanding. . .

[Mrleft8]

It doesn't stand a chance in Hell of passing because......??????? The republicans won't vote for it unless it also gives tax breaks to the absurdly wealthy?

[Paul Pless]

The republicans won't vote for it unless it also gives tax breaks to the absurdly wealthy?

Partly true. Also the Republicans surely aren't going to give Obama a victory of any type this close to the election.

But, dismissing the politics of it, tax cuts are a bad idea for anybody, except the poorest, right now. . .

[wardd]

so obama shouldn't demonstrate the differences between the parties?

did the ryan budget stand a chance?

then he shouldn't have submitted it

[wardd]

Obama begins to push extension of middle class tax cuts.

It doesn't stand a chance in Hell of passing, and furthermore what we really need is an overhaul of our entire tax system including a raising of rates across all income categories.

And, while we're on the subject, wonder how many folks recognize that the AHCA 'mandate' is actually a quite regressive tax, subsidies notwithstanding. . .

what's the penalty for not paying the penalty?

[ccmanuals]

I would agree with Warde. This is the perfect time to point out differences. I would like him to also focus on the Ryan plan that Romney supports.

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

Obama begins to push extension of middle class tax cuts.

It doesn't stand a chance in Hell of passing, and furthermore what we really need is an overhaul of our entire tax system including a raising of rates across all income categories.

And, while we're on the subject, wonder how many folks recognize that the AHCA 'mandate' is actually a quite regressive tax, subsidies notwithstanding. . .

So ya' wanna' go thru' this dance again, hey?
AHCA was a STERLING legislative accomplishment when viewed from the the rock solid opposition lined up against it. It's something that will make it into the history books.
The AHCA is not perfect because it took some wheeling and dealing to get the necessary votes.
The AHCA is a now a law and as a law it can be perfected or destroyed at the whim of the congress.

And, as for your speculations about the tax code, you are free to guess and that's what you have done.

[Paul Pless]

Chuck, I'm driving through Cleveland tonight. You up for a beer?

[bobbys]

I would agree with Warde. This is the perfect time to point out differences. I would like him to also focus on the Ryan plan that Romney supports.

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I think you are right Now is the perfect time to point out Ryan has a plan while the Democrats have not passed a budget .

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

Chuck, I'm driving through Cleveland tonight. You up for a beer?

I'm recuperating from a prostate operation so I'm not able to do any socializing.

[wardd]

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I think you are right Now is the perfect time to point out Ryan has a plan while the Democrats have not passed a budget .

a bad plan is worse than no plan at all

and what are we operating under?

[ccmanuals]

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I think you are right Now is the perfect time to point out Ryan has a plan while the Democrats have not passed a budget .

What do you like about the Ryan plan? Is there anything in it you don't like?

[bobbys]

a bad plan is worse than no plan at all

and what are we operating under?

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Right now we are operating under a No Democrat will commit to any budget in a election year, Better to be blasted for doing nothing then be accountable for anything.

[Paul Pless]

I'm recuperating from a prostate operation so I'm not able to do any socializing.

Best wishes for a quick recovery.

[bobbys]

What do you like about the Ryan plan? Is there anything in it you don't like?

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If you have no plan why be concerned about what you like or do not like.

Just admit they are demigoding any plan the Republicans set forth..
As in pushing granny off a cliff in ads..

Did you like or dislike that ad?

[leikec]

I'm glad Mitt Romney doesn't pander...at least there is one honest candidate in this year's race. Well two, actually--Jill Stein can afford to be honest because she won't win or place in the race.

Jeff C

[ccmanuals]

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If you have no plan why be concerned about what you like or do not like.

Just admit they are demigoding any plan the Republicans set forth..
As in pushing granny off a cliff in ads..

Did you like or dislike that ad?

The President has always had a plan and submitted it to Congress. You might not llike it but it's a plan and contains a mountain of detail that the Ryan plan doesn't have. I've posted it before but here it is again for you deniers.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget

[LeeG]

Wait, this is meaningful pandering appealing to idea there's a free lunch and infinite growth just around the corner.

[David G]

Hmmmm... pandering, eh? Sorta like the Repeal & Replace legislation that the House Republicans have put forth. The way I understand it...the bill repeals ACHA without making any actual provision (despite the misleading title) for replacement. Throw in the fact that it'll never make it past the Senate (and the House Rep's are just smart enough to be able to count votes... so are well aware of that fact)... and the fact that (if by some miracle it passed the Senate) it'd be vetoed by the Prez... and what you have is: TA DA!!!! ELECTION YEAR PANDERING!

[David W Pratt]

Wasn't the President's budget unanimously, D & R, rejected?

[ccmanuals]

Wasn't the President's budget unanimously, D & R, rejected?

The R's have rejected everything submitted by the President. Why wouldn't the budget be different? What's their number 1 goal again?

[David W Pratt]

CC-
The Ds rejected it too.
I do not know why

[2MeterTroll]

it cuts to many porkfat programs. I would reject it because it doesn't cut enough fat and keeps all the over seas bases in place. I would rather have those guys money and work at home than over seas in some country that loves our money and hates our guts.

[ccmanuals]

CC-
The Ds rejected it too.
I do not know why

It never got out of the House Finance committee and has never been brought to the floor for a vote.

[Keith Wilson]

What? A sitting president is proposing something that makes his opponents look bad, may increase his chances of reelection, and would also be good policy? I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! We all know that politicians are only supposed to do things that make them more likely to lose elections. Ah, just quitcherbitchin.

[Paul Pless]

Good policy? Kick that can on down the road. . .

[Keith Wilson]

Kick that can on down the road. . .

Yep. Raising taxes on most folks right now would be a bad idea. When the government can borrow at a negative real interest rate, that's the right thing to do. Our main problem right now is employment and demand, not government debt. Sometimes kicking the can on down the road is the best alternative.

[Paul Pless]

We're three years into an estimated ten tp fifteen year recovery. When do you suggest we begin paying for it?

[Keith Wilson]

. . . an estimated ten to fifteen year recovery

Eh? Whose estimate? How about when we actually recover? Again, our main problem right now is employment and demand, not government debt.

[Waddie]

False equivalency warning !!!!! Why would Obama support extending the Bush tax cuts yet again????? Just let the tax cuts expire. After all, I've been told repeatedly (by liberals) that the money went to the wealthy anyways, and (also told by liberals) that the wealthy don't create jobs, so screw them, let the tax cuts expire. Apparently it won't effect the middle class at all....and (according to liberals) only the government - through stimulus - can create jobs... Maybe the solution is for everyone to work for the government ????? Come to think of it, the majority of Americans are now on government money anyways, let's just assign them to a work detail. Is it true that more Americans applied for disability last month than the number of jobs created? I also read that a quarter of the people who were on long term unemployment are now on permanent disability. Hmmmmm............

regards,
Waddie

[2MeterTroll]

how about you go start a business? hire a couple neighbor kids and start raking in the dough.
Good god man! get ahold of yourself.

False equivalency warning !!!!! Why would Obama support extending the Bush tax cuts yet again????? Just let the tax cuts expire. After all, I've been told repeatedly (by liberals) that the money went to the wealthy anyways, and (also told by liberals) that the wealthy don't create jobs, so screw them, let the tax cuts expire. Apparently it won't effect the middle class at all....and (according to liberals) only the government - through stimulus - can create jobs... Maybe the solution is for everyone to work for the government ????? Come to think of it, the majority of Americans are now on government money anyways, let's just assign them to a work detail. Is it true that more Americans applied for disability last month than the number of jobs created? I also read that a quarter of the people who were on long term unemployment are now on permanent disability. Hmmmmm............

regards,
Waddie

[B_B]

Obama begins to push extension of middle class tax cuts.

It doesn't stand a chance in Hell of passing, and furthermore what we really need is an overhaul of our entire tax system including a raising of rates across all income categories.

And, while we're on the subject, wonder how many folks recognize that the AHCA 'mandate' is actually a quite regressive tax, subsidies notwithstanding. . .

I haven't read the thread, so please excuse me if I repeat, but isn't all pandering, by definition, "meaningless"?

And if you want to piss on Obama for election year pandering, ought you not, being a small c conservative centrist and all, piss on Mittens and his pandering too? Or are you fully ensconced in the 'Mitt won't win' mindset?

[wardd]

i was just listening to ezra klein and hanaur and they make so much more sense than waddie

[Waddie]

ezra klein and hanaur in their own words - agreeing with me !!!!

“If taxes on the rich go up, job creation will go down,” Hanauer says. “This idea is an article of faith for Republicans, is seldom challenged by Democrats, and has indeed shaped much of the economic landscape. But sometimes the ideas we’re certain are true are dead wrong.”

See, I told you rich people don't create jobs - at least according to liberals.

Ezra Klein;

If Obama signed his name onto the upper-income tax cuts in the months before the election, it would effectively take tax rates on the rich off the table in the election, as both parties will agree on the issue, at least through 2013. But with its announcement today, the Obama campaign signaled that that’s not going to happen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...bush-tax-cuts/

See, no moderation in the Democratic camp. No willingness to compromise. Pelosi and Reed had actually supported extensions for people making up to a $million until Obama came out with the $250K ceiling. They got slapped down. Every Dem in lockstep !!! Now it's hard line all the way. The heck with what's good for the country; ideology is more important. (They must have their own version of Grover Norquist)...

regards,
Waddie

[wardd]

ezra klein and hanaur in their own words - agreeing with me !!!!



See, I told you rich people don't create jobs - at least according to liberals.

Ezra Klein; http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...bush-tax-cuts/

See, no moderation in the Democratic camp. No willingness to compromise. Pelosi and Reed had actually supported extensions for people making up to a $million until Obama came out with the $250K ceiling. They got slapped down. Every Dem in lockstep !!! Now it's hard line all the way. The heck with what's good for the country; ideology is more important. (They must have their own version of Grover Norquist)...

regards,
Waddie

i don't blame someone for not compromising with the reps on something that will ruin the country

taxing the rich 3% more will not change their standard of living but very well could change the standard of living for people out of work

[bobbys]

The R's have rejected everything submitted by the President. Why wouldn't the budget be different? What's their number 1 goal again?

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The Democrats had control of all 3 branches, They did not need any Republicans and the Republicans could not have stopped ANY budget the Dems submitted.

What other excuses do you have?.

Perhaps you should go with BUSH/WAR

[bobbys]

Yep. Raising taxes on most folks right now would be a bad idea. When the government can borrow at a negative real interest rate, that's the right thing to do. Our main problem right now is employment and demand, not government debt. Sometimes kicking the can on down the road is the best alternative.

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Interesting, I keep hearing how Bush left Obama with a Fiscal mess but now its a good idea?.

Odd how you never chimed in with this observation before.

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

. (They must have their own version of Grover Norquist)...

regards,
Waddie

Nice try,dude, but saying we have a wart on our a**es just because you do ain't gonna' work. Grover is unique and he is driving the Republican party for better or for worse. You needed a sixth grade nun like mine that constantly told us boys to "avoid bad companions!".

[Waddie]

i don't blame someone for not compromising with the reps on something that will ruin the country

taxing the rich 3% more will not change their standard of living but very well could change the standard of living for people out of work

but very well could change the standard of living for people out of work; no, it won't.... sorry....

regards,
Waddie

[wardd]

but very well could change the standard of living for people out of work; no, it won't.... sorry....

regards,
Waddie

so a job won't change the standard of living for someone out of work?

[Waddie]

so a job won't change the standard of living for someone out of work?

How will increasing taxes on the rich by 3% give unemployed people a job? I thought Obama promised to use it for debt reduction?

regards,
Waddie

[wardd]

How will increasing taxes on the rich by 3% give unemployed people a job? I thought Obama promised to use it for debt reduction?

regards,
Waddie

3% of the millions some make could hire a bunch of people

did you bump your head earlier today?

[Waddie]

3% of the millions some make could hire a bunch of people

did you bump your head earlier today?

You're kinda on to me Wardd..... too quiet down here lately..... got to stir the pot......

I sorta miss some of the maniacs.........

regards,
Waddie

[Tom Montgomery]

I'm still waiting to see the jobs created by the Bush tax cuts. Where are they?

[Glen Longino]

I'm still waiting to see the jobs created by the Bush tax cuts. Where are they?

Don't ask waddie...he's too obsessed with Obama.
Bush?
Bush who?

[Waddie]

The Bush tax cuts didn't create many jobs... but it did push GDP up a percent or two. But that doesn't always translate into jobs. And the Payroll tax cut also pushed GDP a little higher. But let's just forget all that. Those tax cuts, you know, the Bush/Obama cuts, should all be allowed to expire since they only benefited the rich anyways. And we know the rich don't create jobs. To h*ll with GDP. We don' need no stinkin' GDP.

regards,
Waddie