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Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
It takes about 150k – 200k new jobs added each month to keep up with the population growth.
So anything under that number is bad but anything above it would be good.
I think the ecomony is not getting better before the election and the job numbers will stay below 150K.
What do you think?
Banned
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
What happened to attacking Obama about gas prices?
Oh, right
My gut says that there will be a rise in employment and you'll have to search for something new ... again.
Doug
Senior Member
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I'm hoping the Curiosity lander does ok in August.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html
# 7727
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Keep digging! There's a pony in there somewhere.
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Gas prices have come down and that is good for all.Originally Posted by botebum
What happened to attacking Obama about gas prices?
Oh, right
My gut says that there will be a rise in employment and you'll have to search for something new ... again.
Doug
If gas prices continue to fall it will help the economy and Obama in the election.
I just do not see them coming down enough in the next few months to help the economy enough to get new jobs about 150K per month.
I started a thread on the subject almost 2 months ago and said
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...bama&highlight=
I think they will.
This looks like the best news Obama could get.
Lower Gas prices should help the economy.
Regular unleaded dropped to a national average of $3.71 per gallon this week, 23 cents below an April high of $3.94, according to the federal government.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/25/politi...ics/index.html
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Chuck do you have time for a beer tomorrow at the Cleveland EBS.
It is located at the west side of the Cuyahoga river.
If you are busy I understand it is short notice.
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...unday-7-8-2012
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
Well I was wrong.
The US jobs report showed an OK number for the Month of July 163,000 new jobs.
About what we need to keep up with population growth
It was above my 150,000 target and it broke the downward trend for the past few months.
As a side note the unemployment rate went up to 8.3%.
I still do not understand how they calculate the unemployment rate.
In June we added 64,000 the unemployment stayed at 8.2%
In July we add 163,000 the unemployment rate goes up to 8.3%
http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/03/news....htm?hpt=hp_t1
Last edited by genglandoh; 08-03-2012 at 09:26 AM. Reason: fixed typo
Banned
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
Vote for Romney... he just promised 12 MILLION new jobs in his first term.
Just don't ask him HOW he plans to do this.... he's not likely to tell you.
For context, consider his comments back in 2004:
Flashback of the Day
"The people of America recognize that the slowdown in jobs that occurred during the early years of the Bush administration were the result of a perfect storm. And an effort by one candidate to somehow say, 'Oh, this recession and the slowdown in jobs was the result of somehow this president magically being elected' -- people in America just dismiss that as being poppycock. And they recognize it as that."
-- Mitt Romney, defending President George W. Bush in 2004.
Chief Adm!n.
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
If you see anything less than optimal to be bad, then you discount an awful lot of good. If your options are: A) Lose $100. B) Make $50 C) Make $100, is B) bad?.... It's not as good as C), but it's still not bad.
Never trust a man with a clean workshop.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
I don't see good job numbers and gas prices are creeping up.
I'm of the unique opinion that this election will come down to how many believe the history they've lived through or those who re-write that history.
There are some rather basic facts: Bush inherited a set of policies that were growing the surplus. He flushed those policies down the toilet and created a huge and growing deficit. Obama not only inherited the deficit, but he also inherited those policies that created it. And keep it growing. He did not take his wars or tax cuts with him when he left, and the Republicans have made their stated top priority the defeat of Obama in 2012. They've wasted a great deal of time on votes to limit abortions and repeal Obamacare, and done virtually nothing about helping to imporve job numbers.
Then there's states like mine. My governor took stimulus money and we had a number of projects here paid for by that stimulus and our job numbers are better than many states. Our governor now takes full credit for this.
If we had a President Romney, GM would be dead and Bin Laden would be alive. We might well be fighting a war inside Iran.
Compare Obama's record honestly. We are not where I would like us to be, but we are doing better than a lot of other countries suffering from the global financial crisis. Don't compare him to some mythical candidate, but to Romney, who is the alternative.
Romney promises to cut taxes, increase defense spending, and balance our budget. There is not a single person who can truly believe this is possible. He will not say what "loopholes" he'll close, or even acknowledge that he'd need congress to close any of them. He'll get his tax cuts, mainly for the wealthy, but he'll not get anyone who's signed Norquist's pledge to close any loopholes: simply won't happen.
So we cut our revenue, increase defense spending, and the deficit goes up. Efforts will be made to take programs from the poor, which I think is the same thing as a tax increase: if you're getting a $50 a month food stamp benefit and it is taken away, is that not a $50 a month tax increase because addition is commutitive?
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
My grading is very simple
a. Below 150K bad
b. 150K-200K OK keeping up with population growth
c. Above 200K good
d. Above 400K great (2 times the good limit)
I also look at the trend so if the next report is above 163K but below 200K I would say it is a good report.
What I am not looking at is the unemployment number because its movement does not make sense to me.
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I don't want a pony
Banned
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*lol* NOW you're thinking like a Republican!Did he indicate in what country those jobs would be created?
Employment Challenged
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
Yes and no.
Each side will spin it in to suit their needs at the time.
Allan of the Grove - S/V Laura Ellen, 1937 Gaff Schooner
http://aylard.ca http://bluenosejr.com
"never send a ferret to do a weasel's job.."
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I'm probably out on my own limb again, but I think a strong case can be made that while the economy is extremely important, it is important whom one trusts more with it. This, I think, is where what the Republicans told us about Obamacare and what the track record of Obamacare actually is comes into play.
Along with this comes the question: is one's allegiance to being a female more or less important than my allegience to a political party.
I would have to imagine health insurance companies covering contraception would be well received by most women, and most women would see family planning as an economic issue.
We all want more jobs here, but not all jobs are equal. It would be nice if we could return to the days when a single income could support a family.
It's not enough to simply add a lot of jobs: they need to be GOOD jobs.
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
Senior Member
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do you think we will see romneys tax returns before the election?
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I think you need to re-calibrate your expectations. G.W. Bush was in office for 96 months. Of those, 70 met your criteria for "Bad", only 15 were "Good" and zero were "Great."
In fact, there were 39 months where we lost jobs (and 1 month of zero gain/loss). I noticed you didn't even include a grade for "Below 0", which was 40% of Bush's presidency.
I'm not pointing this out to harp on Bush or because I think you will defend him. I'm just trying to establish a baseline of expectations to keep your "grading" callibrated.
It is not difficult to find technical information about the unemployment number:What I am not looking at is the unemployment number because its movement does not make sense to me.
http://bls.gov/news.release/empsit.tn.htm
There are two main factors that can make the unemployment number move in unusual ways. The first is simple random variation of the surveyed sample of the population. Because the survey does not sample everyone, there is no guarantee that the people sampled are an exact representation of the total population. In statistical terms, this is called "margin of error." Unfortuantely, this term confuses a lot of people because it's not really an 'error'. A more accurate term would be margin of uncertainty.
For the unemployment figure, the margin of uncertainty is about +/- 0.19%, which means that there really is no difference between 8.2% and 8.3%.
The other factor, of course, is the number of people who are looking for work. If there is widespread perception that there are no jobs to be found, many people stop looking for work and therefore are not counted among the unemployed. When people have increased optimism that they will find a job, they re-enter the work force and then are counted among the unemployed.
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Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
I am not trying to make one President look good and another President look bad with my grading system.
I am just looking a population growth because it is simple and fair.
If jobs are added slower than population growth Bad.
If jobs are added at the same rate as population growth OK.
If jobs are added faster than population growth Good
If Jobs are added at 2 times the population growth Great.
I also added that the trend is also important.
So todays number of 163,000 gets a Good Grade because
1. It is in the 150K-200K range keeping up with population growth (this gives it an OK grade)
2. But it also reversed the downward trend so the OK becomes a Good grade.
If you do not like my grading system then please explain your system.
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Oh, I quite agree! It really seems like you try to avoid the question all together!
I don't really have a problem with your grading system... it's just that I noticed some presidents get 'graded' and others don't.If you do not like my grading system then please explain your system.
Let's take a look back at history.
The last president was in office for 96 months. How many months did you grade him?
If you had graded him, how many months would he get "OK," "Good" or "Great"?
What was his record like at this point in his first term?
What was his record like when we was re-elected?
If you took the average of all 96 months he was in office, what would his grade be?
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Again: it's not really a question of which president you like best. It's a question of whether your grading system is calibrated to reflect reality and give reasonable results.
Last edited by ljb5; 08-03-2012 at 02:59 PM.
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Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
What kind of calibration do you recommend?
Senior Member
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What does Bush have to do with the initial question, lj?
And, my two cents- Folks in control of hiring will keep hiring DOWN ... and gas prices UP until November ... just to get BO out of the house! Gas has gone up 27 cents per gallon in the past week alone! I believe it will keep inching up a few cents per week ... playing on the ignorance of most Americans ... again, to get BO out of the house!
B
Nothing else matters but how I raise my children ... and their opinion of me, as a father.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
It's called "learning from history."
I predicted the Bush economic disaster back in 2001. Many people did. It was easy to see that his promises simply did not add up.
Turns out, I was right.
In a few months, we have a chance to make a similar choice again.
Are you going to learn from the past, or are you going to continue to go down the same road that led us to disaster?
Are you someone who learns from history or someone who makes the same mistakes over and over again?
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
This is the part of history that people actually lived through but wish to deny. Just consider what Bush inherited and what he passed on to the next president.
Then you have to consider how much less cooperation Obama is getting from the opposing party than any other president I can think of.
I'd kind of like tying his hands behind his back then complaining when he doesn't win the fight.
In my humble opinion, G. W. RAPED this country, and I grow tired of people posting stuff as if he took his two wars and his tax cuts with him when he left. Or that Obama can change the tax rates without the help of the Republicans.
Shame on the voters if they think Romney's math works any better than Reagan's or Bush's did.
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
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GW raped this country? The STUPIDEST thing I have EVER read on this forum ... left wing nuts ALWAYS forget about 9/11 ... and the economic chaos that ensued ...
Just remember ... BO stinks ... he will be gone ... if not, I WILL eat my humble pie! (and I am NOOOOOO fan of Romney!!!)
They all suck ... and are mostly useless ... BO has tole no less lies than ANY other squatter in the 'house!
B
Nothing else matters but how I raise my children ... and their opinion of me, as a father.
Bonehunter
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TWO wars, the more expensive of which had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 except lies and spin, combined with tax cuts. Yeah, economically, GWB raped the USA.
Senior Member
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Orca- sorry for your ignorance ... TRULY!!!
Nothing else matters but how I raise my children ... and their opinion of me, as a father.
Bonehunter
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Yeah, that must be it.
Ancient Mariner
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Bush raped the country okay
Obama is having sex by mutual consent
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Bonehunter
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
Jamie, do you seriously think that Obama and GWB did equal amounts of damage to the USA's economy?
Senior Member
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BO did more, Orca ... anyone with clear site ... well, they know this!
Nothing else matters but how I raise my children ... and their opinion of me, as a father.
Senior Member
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And why are Canucks even trying to cause trouble 'down' here ...
Nothing else matters but how I raise my children ... and their opinion of me, as a father.
Son of a Guineaman
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
so you have bought into the right wing talking points regarding Dodd/Frank I see.
Bonehunter
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I must not be as clearsighted (note the spelling) as your enlightened self, there, Brad. Or maybe that's just your monumental ego talking...BO did more, Orca ... anyone with clear site ... well, they know this!
You really don't pay attention to much, do you? This has been covered at least a dozen times right here in the Bilge when some uptight right-wing dork figures I shouldn't be expressing an opinion on US politics. For starters, as the USA's closest neighbour and most important trading partner, Canada is affected by US politics. Second, I was born in the States, I hold dual citizenship, and I'm every bit as American as you, doofus.
Son of a Guineaman
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Brad, you might as well add this to your footer, it will come up again I'm sure.
I was born in the States, I hold dual citizenship, and I'm every bit as American as you, doofus.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
I don't think Obama has much to do with gas prices nor much to do with substantively getting employment rolling, but I'm not an economist. However, in respect to those aforementioned gas prices, they are down about 50 cents a gallon here. Let's call that a 12-13% reduction. On the other hand, it seems to me that food prices are up across the board. Talk is that this is the result of drought and near drought conditions across the country and it will be getting worse.
Why doesn't Obama just make it rain? What a loser!
Senior Member
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I congratulate you on your superb timing, two years before Dodd/Frank was passed and Obama was elected, and in the middle of Bush II's second term, while he was enjoying Dennis Hastert's (R) term as Speaker of the House and Frist in the Senate (R) as Majority Leader.
Last edited by Lew Barrett; 08-04-2012 at 04:39 AM.
Employment Challenged
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
He won't believe it unless he sees a short and long form birth certificate, video of the birth, and verified by some hick Sheriff. And even then we will continue to question your citizenship.
Allan of the Grove - S/V Laura Ellen, 1937 Gaff Schooner
http://aylard.ca http://bluenosejr.com
"never send a ferret to do a weasel's job.."
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
The jobs numbers that came out today, as always, are bogus. They're a guess. The revised numbers will come out later, and they'll be bogus also. Seasonal adjustments and all. The 8.3, which doesn't include a hell of a lot of people that are out of work, means that more jobs were lost in July than were created.
Senior Reader
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Gas prices are up for you and me Brad because of the crude pipeline out of service that delivers Canadian crude to the midwest, in particular refineries in the Chicago area. Its been in the news, but not front page.
I'll call BS on this one.BO did more, Orca ... anyone with clear site ... well, they know this!
Cheers,
Bobby
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Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
What about the uber-rich? You remember, the "job creators"--the fount from which all blessings flow--naturally they will create many more jobs for the good of the nation just before the election, right?
Or then again, perhaps they won't since for the most part they don't want jobs created during President Obama's watch.
"... Even though their [the Koch brothers'] personal wealth has increased by some 40% during the worst economy in nearly a century, even though they now personally are worth more than the GDP of some 48 different countries, they keep killing jobs by firing thousands of Americans.
It's almost as if that whole "job creator" thing --- the notion that people who already have a whole lot of money will simply create more jobs, out of the kindness of their wallets, if only they have still more money --- is a crock of **** that only the dumbest, most brainwashed, misinformed, incurious jackasses could possibly fall for...or something."
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8780
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Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
I remember 9/11 well. Unlike New Orleans after Katrina, NYC was not under water and had working electriicity. I'm also aware of help given to people who lost family members in that incident and the help not given to some of the nearby businesses that lost most of their customers. That attack had nothing to do with the Bush tax cuts destroying our economy, or starting two wars, other than being an excuse to start them.
Bush took a surplus and policies that kept it growing and flushed it and those policies down the toilet. He used 9/11 (which he had warnings of and ignored them all) as an excuse to spend money and blood in Iraq for no legitimate US purpose. He sent troops into Afghanistan, supposedly to hunt down Bind Laden, but pulled those troops and sent them to Iraq.
Yes, he raped this country. Notice how Romney's not campaigning with him.
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
What did the young Americans who died in Iraq die for? The Right keeps harping on our deficit, but they are the ones who created it.
Nothing short of a more stable middle east can be construed as victory: does it look more stable to you?
We were lied into both these wars. As soon as Bush stopped looking for Bin Laden, the reason for invading Afghanistan became as the WMD's being the reason for invading Iraq: false. The Tax cuts did not create any jobs, and He and his crew put this country into a hole it will take many years to dig out of, and complain that Obama, with zero cooperation from the Right hasn't dug out yet.
They raped the country and are doing everything in their power to rape this president. That may seem like a strong word, but denying him a second term is their stated top priority. They have openly said they are more concerned with denying Obama a second term than helping the country. We're getting raped again.
Be careful calling others ignorant. Perhaps you can show us how the two tax cuts Bush initiated (and Congress hasn't let Obama end) have helped our nation. Perhaps you can show what great gains we've made by borrowing money to fight those two wars.
There's a similarity between Bush and Romney that seems little noticed. They like wars, but when they had the chance to fight in one, they found ways not to. Both were born into wealth. Neither has any idea what it's reallylike for the average guy to be unemployed.
I'll be fair; something the Right isn't. Clinton signed the bill that ended Glass/Steagull and effectively deregulated Wall Street. Having seen the error of that, the Bush administration and the Republicans in Congress would not address this. Obama got Dodd/Frank passed and the Republicans don't want to fund it, and they want to repeal it.
Meanwhile they conveniently forget that TARP, and a few other things they don't like, came to be under Bush, and Obama inherited them.
Obama walked into the Oval office with tax rates that blew up the deficit, two wars on borrowed money in progress, a Medicare prescription drug program on borrowed money, homes being foreclosed on and underwater mortgages all over the country, and high unemployment.
The chart that shows employment numbers reversing immediately following the stimulus bill has been posted many times. My governor is taking credit for jobs saved or created by that bill, while giving Obama not credit. Governor Gindal (? Louisianna) was one of several Republican governors who publicly thought the stimulus was a bad idea, but took credit themselves for the positive results it had.
Romney's entire campaign is based on outright lies, which is important. If Obama is doing such a bad job, why does Romney have to lie about his record to attack it. The world is suffering from the economic collapse, and we are coming out of it in better shape than most.
Job numbers are improving, which is better than going the other way. GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead. I think that's good. I'd have a much higher opinion of the Republicans if they would simply say these two things worked out well and give Obama some credit. That would be honest.
I believe that as Obamacare kicks in more and more it will help the job growth. I posted a clip with two small business owners who are able to hire more people and give them better health insurance because of this bill.
To put all of this in perspective, it's a lot easier to run a credit card up than to pay it off. Bush ran it up, and his policies, thanks to the Right, are still running it up.
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
Senior Member
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He can't even tell you what policies Obama got past congress that hurt us, or how they hurt us. None of them can.
Obamacare is looking better and better as more of it falls into place. When you cut through all the BS, it costs less money for an insurance company to cover the cost of contraception than the cost of a pregnancy and 26 years of the medical needs of the child.
The evidence is there that the stimulus reversed the trend of job loss.
If you wish to know whether Dodd/Frank was a good bill or not, just look at the forces who refuse to fund it.
I've never seen a time when so many were so blind to facts. My brother, who I've mentioned before, has been absolutely convinced that Obama wants to take his guns away, although he has zero supporting evidence.
To the thread question, we have to compare things not to what we would like, but to the alternative: what would today's job numbers be like if GM had died? Remember, Romney would have let it die. He also said he'd not look for Bin Laden, so it's idiotic and dishonest to think he'd have sent Seals into that complex.
I am sorry if my posts this AM sound bitter, but I am sick and tired of being lied to.
I'll bet those tax returns will tell us when Romney actually did leave Bain.
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
Senior Member
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The drought will affect food prices. May also impact gas prices. No doubt some will blame Obama for the weather.
Such droughts may become more and more the norm. One of the impacts of the climate change that so many still deny.
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
How can we outsource jobs for several decades and still have them here?
My problem in all of this is our lousy job situation is part of what this president inherited. We know he's gotten zero help from Republicans who have been far more interested in preventing abortions that creating jobs. I would imagine if those in our congress all wanted better job growth, we'd have it.
The Republicans CLEARLY want this president (and the country with him) to fail so they can get back into the White House and contol both houses of Congress.
That's their priority: they've said so.
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
At the time these tax cuts passed, and the "job creators" would create jobs with these tax cuts, I asked (on whatever forum I was on then) what jobs Cheney was going to create with the $350k a year these tax cuts saved him. This was also the first time in history we cut taxes and fought wars. The result was predictable, but, apparently, deniable.What about the uber-rich? You remember, the "job creators"--the fount from which all blessings flow--naturally they will create many more jobs for the good of the nation just before the election, right?
Or then again, perhaps they won't since for the most part they don't want jobs created during President Obama's watch.
"... Even though their [the Koch brothers'] personal wealth has increased by some 40% during the worst economy in nearly a century, even though they now personally are worth more than the GDP of some 48 different countries, they keep killing jobs by firing thousands of Americans.
It's almost as if that whole "job creator" thing --- the notion that people who already have a whole lot of money will simply create more jobs, out of the kindness of their wallets, if only they have still more money --- is a crock of **** that only the dumbest, most brainwashed, misinformed, incurious jackasses could possibly fall for...or something."
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8780
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
I always like discussions that include facts, rather than just ideology.
Can anyone tell me what the was the average number of jobs added per month during Bush's 96 months in office?
This might help:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES00..._view=net_1mth
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
I guess you didn't get the memo. When Bush left office, he took all those unemployed people with him, like he took his two wars, the prescription drug plan, and his tax cuts.
Facts don't matter to those who simply want to dump on Obama. They will not admit to the severity of the problems he inherited: they will say Bush isn't in office, so he's no longer responsible, which is like saying Hitler's dead so he's not responsible for WWII. They will not accept the enormity of the obstructionism by the Republicans for any efforts Obama makes to improve things.
Someone could make the argument against Obama that he decided to put more effort into Afghanistan, and that would be an honest position, because he did. Some may agree with him, others disagree, but it would be an honest debate.
I also think an honest debate over how well we're doing would be to compare us to other countries that suffered from the Wall Street Collapse.
Looking ahead, I fear the Republicans will again threaten to not raise our debt ceiling, our credit rating will take a hit, and they'll blame Obama.
Presidents are like quarterbacks: they take too much credit and too much blame when the rest of the team (congress in this analogy) is the one who drops the ball or makes the miraculous catch.
Congress begins every day with a prayer. Enough said.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
Nancy copped it in 2007
Dennis Hastert, longest serving Speaker of the House, 1999-2007
When you sold your property, the Republicans had been the House majority for 7 years, and had a majority in the Senate for 2.
Last edited by Lew Barrett; 08-05-2012 at 12:26 PM.
Senior Member
Re: Do you think we will see a good jobs report before the election?
The Democrats won the majority in November 2006, but didn't take office until January, 2007.
You mean you started liquidating when Bush got re-elected and bragged about how he'd gained a lot of political capital?...I started liquidating when Kerry almost won.
In 2004, the Republicans picked up three seats in the House and four in the Senate. It was a very good year for the Republicans.
In retrospect, it was a good year to start liquidating, but you can't blame that on the Democrats.
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