Tomorrow's Decision

[ccmanuals]

If the mandate is stricken down by SCOTUS tomorrow the Democratic progressive caucus is already gearing up with legislation for Medicare for all with a public option. Should be interesting.

[Rich Jones]

It'll never happen until the Dems retake the House, get a filibuster-proof Senate and put another liberal on the court. Not to mention Obama retaking the Presidency. But, it'll be an interesting show.

[thud]

The 'strike down' tomorrow is welcome with me.
I worked all my life and expected Medicare. I paid for it.
I resent people who didn't pay into it, having the use of it.

Realistically, all of us who work and can pay our own way, will always be paying for those who are unable or unwilling.
Some Inane Socialist Liberal will make sure the Tax money supports the poor.

Instead of worrying about health care, we better start worrying about keeping the Jobs we have on shore now, and getting as many of the Offshore jobs back as we can.

If and when, each of us has enough money, supporting the "POOR Ugh" wont be such a terrible thing.
Out of that will come more doctors and Technical medical positions.
Maybe eve some new Hospitals.

But the Jobs have to come first!

[Canoeyawl]

Instead of worrying about health care, we better start worrying about keeping the Jobs we have on shore now, and getting as many of the Offshore jobs back as we can.

Oh, don't worry Romney will take care of that. Yup, you betcha.

[wardd]

The 'strike down' tomorrow is welcome with me.
I worked all my life and expected Medicare. I paid for it.
I resent people who didn't pay into it, having the use of it.

Realistically, all of us who work and can pay our own way, will always be paying for those who are unable or unwilling.
Some Inane Socialist Liberal will make sure the Tax money supports the poor.

Instead of worrying about health care, we better start worrying about keeping the Jobs we have on shore now, and getting as many of the Offshore jobs back as we can.

If and when, each of us has enough money, supporting the "POOR Ugh" wont be such a terrible thing.
Out of that will come more doctors and Technical medical positions.
Maybe eve some new Hospitals.

But the Jobs have to come first!

in the mean time jobs go to countries that have state run health care

[hokiefan]

Tomorrow's decision has become surprisingly personal. And no worries, I still have my good job and insurance.

Bobby

[2MeterTroll]

Well i dont know about other folks but i sure rather my taxes support the poor than my taxes go to yet another baseless war fought for nothing.

[skipper68]

Well i dont know about other folks but i sure rather my taxes support the poor than my taxes go to yet another baseless war fought for nothing.

So true. When children die from an infected tooth? Our country should be better than that. Most here know I fix my own problems. A REAL Dr. could speed my repairs along. Not for me, but those idjits that think they are covered at work...Broo haa haaa. Wait and see...Bankrupt for life. Cough up your house. Smug they are.NOW.

[Shang]

The 'strike down' tomorrow is welcome with me.
I worked all my life and expected Medicare. I paid for it...

And if Mitt is elected and the Republicans take over, what makes you imagine that Medicare will be there for you?
...Or Social Security, which you also paid for.
Remember, the Republicans share your contempt for the disadvantaged.

[thud]

When America wakes up and the Republicans are back in the house again. What makes you think it (medicare and SS) wont be there?

The Democrats want us all on Socialized programs. That takes a lot of Tax Dollars.
Has anybody figured out where the Tax Dollars will come from?
Democrats don't want you thinking about that. The Democrats want you ignorant and docile and voting from the middle of the Herd!

Republicans want everybody to be EMPLOYED! Not on Welfare!
The larger the Tax base we have in the Capitalistic Republic of America, the stronger we'll be when the Whiners come grovelling at the door of the Senate.
The Whiners will use all that Tax Base to buy votes. Along with their innuendo castigating the 'Wealthy' as the bad guys.
Buying votes from the UN-employable, Under-employable, with hand-outs from the Tax base.

[Tom Montgomery]

Wow! You've convinced me, thud! How could I have been so wrong when the answer is so simple?

[ccmanuals]

Wow thud,you are deep in the bubble

[Glen Longino]

I bet thud is having a bad day today!

[thud]

I'm amazed and sick to my stomach.
What was wrong with the way it was?
People who paid got the service.
Now people who pay, well pay for other peoples service.

Wouldn't you liked to have been a fly on the wall of the S.C.'s conference room?

"let's make the Taxpayers pay for the Poor because there's gonna be a lot more Poor coming up soon!"
"let's do what the head Socialist wants because he's the Prez!"

This is all making me sick to my stomach!

[Glen Longino]

..."sick to my stomach!"...

Good!

[wardd]

When America wakes up and the Republicans are back in the house again. What makes you think it (medicare and SS) wont be there?

The Democrats want us all on Socialized programs. That takes a lot of Tax Dollars.
Has anybody figured out where the Tax Dollars will come from?
Democrats don't want you thinking about that. The Democrats want you ignorant and docile and voting from the middle of the Herd!

Republicans want everybody to be EMPLOYED! Not on Welfare!
The larger the Tax base we have in the Capitalistic Republic of America, the stronger we'll be when the Whiners come grovelling at the door of the Senate.
The Whiners will use all that Tax Base to buy votes. Along with their innuendo castigating the 'Wealthy' as the bad guys.
Buying votes from the UN-employable, Under-employable, with hand-outs from the Tax base.

if i can get something better and cheaper through taxes than on the private market, i'm all for that tax

so where are the republican jobs bills?

[2MeterTroll]

mate
who pays for those emergency room visits and ambulance calls for the under employed and unemployable?
How much you suppose that costs? (I have a bunch of itemized medical bills here so i am going to pick one 20 mil of tylenol.) Tylenol supposed to be cheap ya? well this one cost 11.00 dollars.
this is how hospitals get the money to do as mandated by not only there oath but the law. Hospitals charge this same or higher to the government to cover the costs of providing E-room services.

you have been paying for other peoples services for years and they aint all poor. in fact you pay more for the services provided the oil companies than you do for any of the programs for the poor. Do you actually think there are all that many folks out in the country that dont work and only live on the public dole? I suggest you ask around cause i dont think your gonna find what you think you will.

I'm amazed and sick to my stomach.
What was wrong with the way it was?
People who paid got the service.
Now people who pay, well pay for other peoples service.

Wouldn't you liked to have been a fly on the wall of the S.C.'s conference room?

"let's make the Taxpayers pay for the Poor because there's gonna be a lot more Poor coming up soon!"
"let's do what the head Socialist wants because he's the Prez!"

This is all making me sick to my stomach!

[thud]

Troll, myself and others stated right up front that we Taxpayers are already paying for the 'othes' in cluding the illegal aliens.
Some Hospitals have closed their doors because the Feds have a 'minimum' they must do for all comers.
You and I paid for that.
We pay more now because of the crowding at the existing Hospitals.

You think you made a new point?
Not so, the Democrats bring up the point that those of us who pay our own way, should be paying the way for others!

We already are doing that.
As I said before, when we all have jobs it's not so bad to pay more taxes.

Taxes made America's military better than any other military.
Where does taxes for the Welfare mothers and Criminals help the Taxpayer out?

[wardd]

Troll, myself and others stated right up front that we Taxpayers are already paying for the 'othes' in cluding the illegal aliens.
Some Hospitals have closed their doors because the Feds have a 'minimum' they must do for all comers.
You and I paid for that.
We pay more now because of the crowding at the existing Hospitals.

You think you made a new point?
Not so, the Democrats bring up the point that those of us who pay our own way, should be paying the way for others!

We already are doing that.
As I said before, when we all have jobs it's not so bad to pay more taxes.

Taxes made America's military better than any other military.
Where does taxes for the Welfare mothers and Criminals help the Taxpayer out?

if

you get sick which is an eventual certainty and your insurance dumps you, who will pay your way?

if you have children have you thought about their future?

[2MeterTroll]

Troll, myself and others stated right up front that we Taxpayers are already paying for the 'othes' in cluding the illegal aliens.
Some Hospitals have closed their doors because the Feds have a 'minimum' they must do for all comers.
You and I paid for that.
We pay more now because of the crowding at the existing Hospitals.

You think you made a new point?
Not so, the Democrats bring up the point that those of us who pay our own way, should be paying the way for others!

We already are doing that.
As I said before, when we all have jobs it's not so bad to pay more taxes.

Taxes made America's military better than any other military.
Where does taxes for the Welfare mothers and Criminals help the Taxpayer out?

those welfare mothers; how many do you know? do they work?
most mothers i know that are on food stamps; work as well. out of the kitty these ladies pay child care which runs close to rent in cost, food, housing, utilities, fuel, transportation, medical Etc.
Where is daddy you might ask; well most ran off like the little cowards they are; however many that I know are deployed in that "great military" being paid like slaves. an E-4 is below poverty level pay.
When you condemn those welfare moms you use a really big brush and most of what you hit arent the targets you are looking for.

Criminals? you have to be joking on this one. there are criminals at every level and those on welfare sure aint the problem. look up the chain a bit and seethe real fraudsters.

Again its no use arguing with you folks; your minds are set and no amount of data or truth will change them.

[thud]

You Socialists are laughable in your arguments.
Jumping back and forth between cases and theory's.

I worked in the Slums of Seattle during the 60's and part of the 70's.
I have experiences most of you never dreamed existed.

Listen to your elders....you don't owe anybody anything they could not have gained on their own.
The people with their hands our, will make you feel guilty if you don't give them something.
If you don't have the logic to see through that, you are too weak to be making decisions and you'll soon become a Socialist and learn to hate the Capitalists.

Worse yet, the Capitalists who are successful are the very people providing jobs for you!
And your Pied Piper is convincing you the Rich Capitalist is the bad guy!

Think harder guys. Who should get to spend the money you earn?

[Tom Montgomery]

You had me at "socialists."

[thud]

Mitt says:


Obamacare was always a liberal pipe-dream that a 2,700 page, multi-trillion-dollar Federal Government takeover of our health care system actually could address the very serious problems we face with health care. With Obamacare fully installed, government will reach fully half of the economy — that is the recipe for a struggling economy and declining prosperity.


Let's all get behind Mitt and put the Democrats out of Washington. We'll put a stop to this multi-trillion-dollar pipe-dream!

[2MeterTroll]

you read it right? no didnt think so.

if i put out what you just did i would be scotted. you aint my elder, my elders think before they speak.

[wardd]

thud seems to think ahca is just for the poor

i bet a lot of middle class, or what's left of it will avail themselves of it's benefits

[thud]

You lib's are avoiding the Question: Do you want to control the money you make, or let somebody else take what he thinks thinks the Non-working Citizens need first?

Who should spend your money?

Aren't we taught in school to be responsible for ourselves first! If you have any left over you can donate it.

When you walked down those Steps from the High School that last time, we expected you to know about Politics, Banking and our Economy.

What happened to you guys? Or should I say; "What didn't happen with you guys?"

You seem to waffling on the Decision to take a handout, or work for a living!

[Keith Wilson]

Do you want to control the money you make . . .

I am completely fine with paying taxes to ensure that everybody has adequate medical care, no matter how much money they have. Given bad luck, I might be in that position myself someday, as might you - unless you're old enough for Medicare, which to be consistent you should decline as an unwarranted governmental restriction of your freedom. The fact that countries with tax-financed health care systems pay roughly half of what we pay here for roughly equivalent results should tell you something. While free markets are a great idea, they aren't the best solution for every problem.

The penalty for failing to compete successfully in the marketplace should never include denial of adequate medical care.

[Lew Barrett]

You Socialists are laughable in your arguments.
Jumping back and forth between cases and theory's.

I worked in the Slums of Seattle during the 60's and part of the 70's.
I have experiences most of you never dreamed existed.

I worked in the slums of Harlem between 1970 and 1973 and most of the kids I attempted to teach English to couldn't be broken of the habit of using apostrophes when making plurals. Hardest and most discouraging job I have ever had.

[2MeterTroll]

Ok While i love Lew I still have to say it.

If you where not in the "slums" during and the crack wars (83~) you do not have an accurate view of slums.

[PeterSibley]

I worked in the slums of Harlem between 1970 and 1973 and most of the kids I attempted to teach English to couldn't be broken of the habit of using apostrophes when making plurals. Hardest and most discouraging job I have ever had.

[Lew Barrett]

Ok While i love Lew I still have to say it.

If you where not in the "slums" during and the crack wars (83~) you do not have an accurate view of slums.

They were plenty slummy in 1972, Ernie. I don't claim things didn't get worse, but for a kid from the burbs, teaching at 120th and Park Ave was an eye popping experience, even in the early seventies. The experiences I had then were also uplifting; it wasn't all grim. I have a fabulous set of photographs I took in some of my classes (I took portraits of my kids, gave them to them as presents) that I will share here at some point.

But I have to say, the poverty was abject and the situations I ran into were grim. Not for me; I went home at night.

[Glen Longino]

I worked in the slums of Harlem between 1970 and 1973 and most of the kids I attempted to teach English to couldn't be broken of the habit of using apostrophes when making plurals. Hardest and most discouraging job I have ever had.

Some of your failures have found their way into the Bilge in the form of Regressive Conservative Troglodyte's!

[2MeterTroll]

I grew up in the green till i was 13, believe me the poverty of spirit and of money got worse when crack came to the projects. I am not discounting your experience Lew, its just a different time as only the deep streets can make it different.

They were plenty slummy in 1972, Ernie. I don't claim things didn't get worse, but for a kid from the burbs, teaching at 120th and Park Ave was an eye popping experience, even in the early seventies. The experiences I had then were also uplifting; it wasn't all grim. I have a fabulous set of photographs I took in some of my classes (I took portraits of my kids, gave them to them as presents) that I will share here at some point.

But I have to say, the poverty was abject and the situations I ran into were grim. Not for me; I went home at night. For the kids.

[Lew Barrett]

No doubt, Ernie. Drugs did not improve the circumstances. My wife is one of several substance abuse professionals who ply this board (except she doesn't ply this board). I'm sure she'd concur that life on the mean streets is only meaner these days, and I was long gone by 1983. I could walk to the subway through the tenements back then and not feel too ill at ease.

[Lew Barrett]

Some of your failures have found their way into the Bilge in the form of Regressive Conservative Troglodyte's!

Giving Thud his due, he does not look like any of my students I can remember; more like a guy I might have gone to school with! Seeing how we have generally (self included) gone older, heavier and with more hair in some places and less in others!

[2MeterTroll]

The police bought in armored wagons and fleets of cops to serve warrants. the big difference I think between the 70s and the crack wars is that prior to crack you didnt have an almost instantly addictive substance in the streets. A friend one day was robbing your house the next to score a hit. Say the words your wife doesn't get to hear much, Thank her for me. Some of us made it out.

No doubt, Ernie. Drugs did not improve the circumstances. My wife is one of several substance abuse professionals who ply this board (except she doesn't ply this board). I'm sure she'd concur that life on the mean streets is only meaner these days, and I was long gone by 1983. I could walk to the subway through the tenements back then and not feel too ill at ease.

[wardd]

can i still make a prediction?

[thud]

I am completely fine with paying taxes to ensure that everybody has adequate medical care, no matter how much money they have.

Good, then you pay as much as you like, but I'm NOT ready to pay for the Less-fortunate who started out as poor as I did and did not finish school, or go for enough education to be employable.


Given bad luck, I might be in that position myself someday, as might you
Yes, Bad luck can be a nasty thing to deal with. My BIL lost two good Jobs, retirement and Health care and went right on out and got another job.


- unless you're old enough for Medicare, which to be consistent you should decline as an unwarranted governmental restriction of your freedom.
That's pure Nonsense! Worse yet, my good Medical program was dropped from me at age 65 and I was forced to go on Medicare as well as buy a suppliment to pick up any losers Medicare does not cover.


The fact that countries with tax-financed health care systems pay roughly half of what we pay here for roughly equivalent results should tell you something. While free markets are a great idea, they aren't the best solution for every problem.
Your wrong with all that socialized medicine being a great thing. None of the Government Medical programs have the Choices or the Coverage, or the privilege of getting the coverage they can pay for. America has the best of the best and its affordable if you just went to school, paid attention and learned to be useful.
If you did not....you don't deserve any of my money!

The penalty for failing to compete successfully in the marketplace should never include denial of adequate medical care.\
That's pure socialistic BS. The mantra the DNC want's all you Socialists to believe and repeat!

I came from a Broke Farm in Southern MO and lived in the Projects for awhile.
IF I made it all the way through school under that environment, than others can as well.

One more statement on that subject of the poor/projects living.
Did it ever occur to any of you to study the Minority who became a Fighter Pilot, Teacher, Multi-engine pilot, lawyer, Doctor etc?
Why do we waste Tax money studying the kids who dived headlong into crime and the crappy life style that will haunt them to their graves?
Those are the kind of people who make a good case for selective breeding!
Why waste money on them? They will end up ruining other lives and cost us way too much in handling them.

Socialists please wake up! This is America, the land made great by Capitalism.
Capitalism will provide enough money for all of us to make choices like donating to the Crime ridden neighborhoods.
Socialism is the end of production and the start of indolence.

[2MeterTroll]

It's called compassion. Sometimes its the realization that you where one step from becoming a burnout and then got a chance. your version of capitalism is what caused the real slums not to mention the gaping wounds of super-fund sites. If the price of capitalism is human wreckage and land no one can live on you can have it. hmm you might want to tone down your insulting socialist BS, coming from a conservative republican Fascists its damn ironic. seems the only welfare you folks believe in is corporate and then talk about capitalism and free market.

so how about you Fascists stop paying good money after bad, strike all the subsidies, force big business to pay its fair share and make extractive industries fix the damage they do.

I came from a Broke Farm in Southern MO and lived in the Projects for awhile.
IF I made it all the way through school under that environment, than others can as well.

One more statement on that subject of the poor/projects living.
Did it ever occur to any of you to study the Minority who became a Fighter Pilot, Teacher, Multi-engine pilot, lawyer, Doctor etc?
Why do we waste Tax money studying the kids who dived headlong into crime and the crappy life style that will haunt them to their graves?
Those are the kind of people who make a good case for selective breeding!
Why waste money on them? They will end up ruining other lives and cost us way too much in handling them.

Socialists please wake up! This is America, the land made great by Capitalism.
Capitalism will provide enough money for all of us to make choices like donating to the Crime ridden neighborhoods.
Socialism is the end of production and the start of indolence.

[hanleyclifford]

Mr Thud , You have a very narrow view of what "Capitalism" has done and not done. Your defense of the Republicans is almost as narrowminded as wardd's on the other side. The so called Capitalists have done a lot more than create jobs, and not all of it is good. I speak to you as one with unimpeachable Right wing credentials.

[Keith Wilson]

My goodness! Well done, hanleyclifford. Would that all on the right thought like you do.

Mr. Thud is surprisingly ignorant about other countries' medical systems, (in the UK, for example probably the most 'socialistic' in Europe, one can get all the medical care one is willing to pay for) but at least he's honest. He's unwilling to pay one penny of in taxes to help those less fortunate, and he thinks the penalty for doing badly in the marketplace for whatever reason should indeed be denial of medical care. William Charles Sumner would be proud; pure Social Darwinism. In the immortal words of Ebenezer Scrooge, "If they had rather die, thay had better do it, and reduce the surplus population". Fortunately, most folks don't agree.

[hanleyclifford]

Certainly the "capitalist" system has had every opportunity to do the right thing by the American people in regard to health care, and has manifestly and demonstrably failed. I think we probably agree that the present ACA is no prize but represents a staggering step along the way. I would like to see health care taken right out of the political dog and pony show and handled as a "utility", like the military or postal service (I know, I know; don't hit me). But the fat cats will have to be convinced that it is in theirbest interests to do so. It is pointless battering one party or the other.

[thud]

Capitalism provides all the Socialists the money to 'do the right thing'!
But the Socialists never stop with "Enough" they always want more.

If the Socialists could fix up the poor and have some money left over, I'd have more confidence in them.
However, the big giveaway is just that! A big give away. The Poor are not fixable. At least not as long as they have Handouts.

All this name calling, Narrow mind...etc is just the losers in this argument wishing what they are saying was true.

Right now, in the U.S. we have a bunch of Entry Level jobs, but the good jobs with a future we had in the 50's n' 60's are just about non-existant.
If we could hold Congress' feet to the fire on taxation issued and breaks for the Companies who do business from a Foreign Assembly plant, I think we'd go a long way to get some commerce and jobs back here.
But you Socialists have to help! Get involved. Hold Congress' feet to the fire!

[hanleyclifford]

Capitalism provides all the Socialists the money to 'do the right thing'!
But the Socialists never stop with "Enough" they always want more.

If the Socialists could fix up the poor and have some money left over, I'd have more confidence in them.
However, the big giveaway is just that! A big give away. The Poor are not fixable. At least not as long as they have Handouts.

All this name calling, Narrow mind...etc is just the losers in this argument wishing what they are saying was true.

Right now, in the U.S. we have a bunch of Entry Level jobs, but the good jobs with a future we had in the 50's n' 60's are just about non-existant.
If we could hold Congress' feet to the fire on taxation issued and breaks for the Companies who do business from a Foreign Assembly plant, I think we'd go a long way to get some commerce and jobs back here.
But you Socialists have to help! Get involved. Hold Congress' feet to the fire!

Read the post again, Thud. I did not say "narrow mind"; I said "narrow view" of a specific item. But your point about companies doing business abroad and enjoying tax and other breaks does ring true. Edit: Correction. I did characterize your defense of Republican politics as "narrowminded", but I still do not apply that term to you in the general sense.

[2MeterTroll]

Entry level jobs? with hundreds of applicants; folks are taking everything they can get. many are working two or three jobs to make ends meet. this aint the 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s. your god on a crutch man get out and actually read the damn paper. go ask the employers offering jobs how many applicants they get for a job. Do something anything rather than run your Pie hole, repeating the talking heads on fox. Fascists like you really irritate me with your willful ignorance or real life for working age folks today.

First you complain about min wage going up, then you complain about unemployment benefits, you applaud those folks sending all the jobs over seas, bitch about taxes raising, snarl about those aliens coming in taking all the jobs while paying those same aliens to do everything folks that needed to make ends meet used to do, (house-painting, landscaping, lawn care, fruit picking, tree-planting, etc etc etc). you like it when no one has a living wage job cause the prices for goods are down, you kill off the unions, dont want to pay teachers for the job, dont want to pay for swimming pools, daycare's, leisure centers, basketball courts, ball fields, parks, national forests, school health classes, wood shop, auto shop, industrial arts, metal shop, Etc. A thousand times Etc.

In short Even though you had an entire country provide you with all this stuff when you where growing up so you didnt end up on a street corner selling your ass for a rig. you dont see that its needed today because you arent using it.

you arent narrow minded, you sir are a boar. Welcome to my ignore list I have expended all the energy i can spare for you.

Capitalism provides all the Socialists the money to 'do the right thing'!
But the Socialists never stop with "Enough" they always want more.

If the Socialists could fix up the poor and have some money left over, I'd have more confidence in them.
However, the big giveaway is just that! A big give away. The Poor are not fixable. At least not as long as they have Handouts.

All this name calling, Narrow mind...etc is just the losers in this argument wishing what they are saying was true.

Right now, in the U.S. we have a bunch of Entry Level jobs, but the good jobs with a future we had in the 50's n' 60's are just about non-existant.
If we could hold Congress' feet to the fire on taxation issued and breaks for the Companies who do business from a Foreign Assembly plant, I think we'd go a long way to get some commerce and jobs back here.
But you Socialists have to help! Get involved. Hold Congress' feet to the fire!

[Lew Barrett]

Right now, in the U.S. we have a bunch of Entry Level jobs, but the good jobs with a future we had in the 50's n' 60's are just about non-existant.
If we could hold Congress' feet to the fire on taxation issued and breaks for the Companies.......

Here is an illustration of my prior point, and how apostrophes are broadly and incorrectly used in common writing, as well as a continuing but annoying use of capital letters in inappropriate places (not illustrated above).

Dwelling on such minor matters overlooks the author's characterization of progressives (or liberal democrats) as Socialists, and that is the key element that causes not mirth, but depression as it displays a complete yet willful misunderstanding of the nuances of the spectrum of American politics.

Entry level jobs? with hundreds of applicants; folks are taking everything they can get. many are working two or three jobs to make ends meet. this ain't the 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s ................ get out and actually read the damn paper.

Here is an illustration of proper use. The value of the unquoted content itself is for the reader to determine, but I am quite sure I am not a Socialist though by no means do I pretend to have all the answers.

Thud, though I agree that the "outsourcing" (a word that should be relegate to the "shoot it" thread along with "globalization") of American jobs is a vicious attack on our general well-being, I find little else to agree with in your postings, including your punctuation, use of capitol letters and general syntax, (not to mention your tone and dismissive generalizations). These disturb my sense of propriety and demonstrate why I abandoned teaching so many years ago.
Ernie could also use some help in the "capital" department but being of like mind with him, I am naturally less motivated to correct his punctuation errors!


I should like to add that using capitals to emphasize a word is understood to be acceptable, but overuse of any particular device becomes cloying in time.

Ernie, let me ask you again: you will be at the CWB event? Would love to meet you.

NB: I always edit out any typos or errors I find, which is why I have such an overwhelming percentage of "edited" posts. For me, the sin is not in making the mistake, it is rather in failing to acknowledge it.....a common failing on all sides, I am afraid.

[2MeterTroll]

On our way out the door; we will make seattle in 6 or so hours. I will be back in a place I can use the computer in 4, so i can check the Seattle EBS thread or my e-mail.

[thud]

I grew up in Seattle.
Pretty crowded now.
But I think I'd still enjoy somewhere in the PacNw though.