Cruising yacht

[jameshow]

Hi
I am designing 22ft cruising yacht to be built with out of work young men.
I have the dimensions in mind of
22ft long
8ft wide and
1ft body draught.

1 tonne 2200lbs displacement

Construction will be a 4ft wide base board, with strip planked sides.

Rig will be gaff-cutter.

Centerbboard will be offset to the bunk side.

There are several designs that come to mind,
From history;-
Kestrel 22
dauntless 23.

From modern day designers
Steve redmond's Elver,
John W - penguin,
Selway Fisher - highlander 23, Alisa 22.
Nigel Irens Romilly.

but none of these designs offer what I am after.
Ease of build just like Elver,
classic design like romilly,
good cabin space like penguin!!!!

Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

James

[skaraborgcraft]

What suggestions are you after? You say you are designing a boat,and reference known designs. Do you have any drawings you wish to share for comments? Whats the design brief.....a cruising yacht for how many crew and for how long? Why dont you build a Hartley 21? Just because a boat has a flat bottom does not mean the rest of it easy to build,and a flat bottom boat may not be suitable for some waters....where do you intend to "cruise"? Cheers

[jameshow]

Hi
thanks for your interest.
My thouggts are for a strip planked round bilge design on plywood bulkheads every 2 ft
Keeping it simple is a priority. but not at the sake of performance this is a trade off all designers face and where some fall on the Siddhartha of simplicity whilst others fall on the performance side. i think it can be done however few designers meet that goal.
the anticipated crusing ground will be the whole coast of the UK - not just deep water marinas. i suppose what i am after is an updated eventide! I used to own a kestrel 22 which was a great yacht and but the accommodation was a little tight. i will be getting qualified help if it goes ahead next winter my present work runs out in November. My old college lecturer Stuart Roy designed the tide 28 which is where i want to be except about 5 feet shorter. if magregor 26 are as ugly as can be surely we can do better? How about hanging a 25 hp outboard onthe stern?!!!!!
i think that the goal is achievable have not posted pics yet but they are on duckworks yahoo group

Yours James

[skaraborgcraft]

James, welcome to the WBF. I have had a few MG designs,the waterwitch was probably my favourite,maybe not the best looking,but as a functional cruising home,it was hard to beat.Being almost straight sided and vertical with a pointy bow,you could do worse than to look at taking 8ft out of a waterwitch. Line plans are online somewhere. The bilge board version drew just over a foot at 5 tons . What sort of keel do you want? There was a 22ft scow/dory type hull with a flat bottom built by a designer who built it in a month and sailed it back from Spain after selling his big yacht.....cant remember the yacht or designer off hand,,,but got details on file somewhere. How about a Selway Fisher Skye 21, it seems bang on your target of a ton,flat bottom and strip plank sides. Paul is very happy to modify plans,or you take the risk yourself to tweak lines. Are you determined to design yourself ? Cheers

[jameshow]

I do like the mg designs have the plans for waterwitch and eventide but not what i am after the joy of strip planning is that the skill yo plank is not that high in comparsion to ply on frame clinker ply etc how did the ww sail? I saw the design you refer interesting to say the least! Skye is ok but double ended and small inside . What boat do you have now? Your in UK? Improving yorkshire yours James

James, welcome to the WBF. I have had a few MG designs,the waterwitch was probably my favourite,maybe not the best looking,but as a functional cruising home,it was hard to beat.Being almost straight sided and vertical with a pointy bow,you could do worse than to look at taking 8ft out of a waterwitch. Line plans are online somewhere. The bilge board version drew just over a foot at 5 tons . What sort of keel do you want? There was a 22ft scow/dory type hull with a flat bottom built by a designer who built it in a month and sailed it back from Spain after selling his big yacht.....cant remember the yacht or designer off hand,,,but got details on file somewhere. How about a Selway Fisher Skye 21, it seems bang on your target of a ton,flat bottom and strip plank sides. Paul is very happy to modify plans,or you take the risk yourself to tweak lines. Are you determined to design yourself ? Cheers

[skaraborgcraft]

Waterwitch sailed just like a barge...pretty much what she was,reasonably stiff,low angles of heel,not brilliant to windward,but a fantastic compromise yacht,offshore capable yet can also head up small shallow creeks on her triple keels and dry out,one of the things i loved about it.
Not looked for those details yet,but if you are familiar with the Great Pelican,she was a bit like that,not a pretty boat,but functional,i dont think i would want a bluff/pram bow boat of this size in UK coastal waters,for as much as the same reason i wouldnt choose a flat bottom,or at least a wide flat bottom,i think it would limit your coastal sailing to good weather only,and in my experience,thats not often!
I was Cornish based for a long time,and go back and forth from Sweden.I have a handfull of Swedish wooden boats, and just built a Michalak family skiff,which sails a damn sight better than it looks,though a practical camping dinghy for 2.
A mix of flat bottom and curved sides has not been done on a lot of boats,and probably for good reason.....its a design compromise,but thats fine if it suits your purpose. Cheers

[jameshow]

Hi I do know te design you mention so dont worry yourselves each to there own.
I must post pics when I get the time.
I'm from southampton but land locked 10 years too long, and they call it marriage. The WW might get me on the canal at least! Better than nought!

James

[skaraborgcraft]

I think he got the inspiration for that design from Chappells 22ft scow,at least that was my first impressions when i came across the design in the boatbuilding book many years later. Land-locked....i feel your pain,i have the same issues when im in Siberia,but i do get the mighty Ob river to play in.......when its not frozen solid.

[skaraborgcraft]

MY brain has just spat out "madrigal" as the design name.....i think all the other files in my head are corrupted.....cant recall the designer except for John......

[jameshow]

Hi
That's right was a write up in PBO if I remember right? The old days when PBO really was practical.

One of the earliest PBO i got had a guy build a motor sailer out of ply he got from offcuts at work!!!

Had all the stuff lead melting, sail making took him 12 years!

Which was you WW is she on the eventide website?

I like the center cockpit WW best, would be great with a dutch barge deck house on top.

Yours James

Pics for new design here

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dwforu...unt=20&dir=asc

and cross sections here one or two need tweeking!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dwforu...unt=20&dir=asc

[skaraborgcraft]

As far as i know my old Waterwitch is still lurking in Cornwall somewhere,last known around Falmouth.I sold her more than a decade ago. She was aft cockpit ketch with a Lister air cooled diesel,the most reliable engine i have ever lived with!
Your right,it was an old PBO article i was thinking of. I have had a few articles published in PBO over the years, one of which was about renovating the Waterwitch, cant remember when it got published. I have not bought a copy for years,seemed to have gone the same way as a lot of mainstream press and was just full of advertising and less people being practicle boat owners! I was recently in touch with them to admit some articles,but they never bothered to follow up....that wouldnt have happened when Denny was around. Cheers

[Jay Greer]

Though larger than the boat you envision, the LF Herreshoff "Medowlark" is a very pleasing and good performing design. The leeboard concept allows for less space restriction below and might be a good study source for you.
Jay

[keyhavenpotterer]

There is an unfinished Tide 28 for sale on ebay just now. Start price £1000 no reserve, so it will sell very cheaply. It says it was the plug.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIDE-28-SA...#ht_904wt_1270

Brian

[skaraborgcraft]

I was hoping for a Riptide or Eventide so am slightly dissapointed. Lots of grp for the dosh though. You would have to be very keen to take that on.

[Phil Y]

I reckon designing a small, seaworthy, comfortable, pretty, easily built cruising boat is a pretty tricky endeavor. I think this is a job for a very experienced designer. A custom design would probably be beyond the means of the project, so you need to find an existing design which as near as possible fits the image in your head. The cost of building will be substantial. You'd hate to spend all that time and money and find that the design is flawed. I'd suggest you have a good look at Iain Oughtreds pocket cruisers.

[skaraborgcraft]

Theres also a good reason to go your own way and learn by experience. Its very easy to pick a design from an established designer and maybe just tweek it a little if needs be (with or without the designers say so or involvement,at your own risk), and even easier and far ,far,far cheaper to buy a second hand craft. All depends what you want. There is not many production boat around 22ft that i would choose to go cruising in,so either you have to design it yourself,or get someone to do it for you. Happily people like Oughtred and Fisher are approachable when it comes to adaptations. Cheers