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    Default New Welsford Design: 'Pelegrin'

    The new mini-cruiser design has been released.

    http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/pelegrin/index.htm

    Full disclosure: as one of John's 'approved builders' I am inordinately biased in favor of his work. I'll simply say, then, that I wish someone would commission one of these so I could build a pair... one to keep. Meantime - judge for yourselves.

    The design philosophy here is one that I’ve been developing for some time now, the starting point being some research into the small working sailing boats of the English South Coast circa 1880, these were uncommonly seaworthy and capable little craft, unassuming but an essential part of their community. They were the Chevy pickups, the vans, the minibuses, the freighters and the fishermen of their day, substantial investments for their owners they had to perform, and did.

    From these I developed a hull form that has similar characteristics to these working boats, seaworthy, comfortable, able and faster than you’d expect.
    Being of simple construction, intended for someone with no boatbuilding experience they use common materials, easily handled, marine glue and fastenings, ordinary handyman level tools and a few hours a week to produce the vessel in which those dreams can be pursued.
    The rig is in keeping with the tradition, and the ballasted full keel ensures a degree of stability that few trailerable boats of this size will match.
    There is space below for four to chat over coffee or cards, two decent bunks that make overnighting comfortable, and enough headroom to move about without risk to the scalp.
    Storage is plentiful, and there is a bench where a picnic stove can be used to cook at the end of the day. A portable head can be stowed in its own locker under the companionway steps, and there are bookshelves under the side decks.
    The cockpit will seat 6, but four is as many as you’d want to take sailing for more than half an hour, but those four could be away for the day, or if they are younger the cockpit could be tented and the seats will double as bunks so mum and dad can weekend away with the kids.
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    Default Re: New Welsford Design: 'Pelegrin'

    Looks like JW could have another winner on his hands for those moving up from cruising dinghys or have moorings. Cosy cabin for a 17 footer.

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    Default Re: New Welsford Design: 'Pelegrin'

    Sweet and salty! It said outboard would be a 2 HP to a 6 HP. Just curious, any provision for inboard motor well or is it the old hang it out on a outboard bracket trick? Maybe she could be rowed in a pinch? Looks great and as we've come to expect from Mr. Welsford, a lot of boat for the length. Well done, John Welsford!

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    Yes, there's a well as a first option. Rowing a boat with that sort of heft would be an exercise in patience.
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    Default Re: New Welsford Design: 'Pelegrin'

    Yowza- that's a handsome boat.
    "A man builds the best of himself into a boat- builds many of the memories of his ancestors." -Steinbeck

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    Default Re: New Welsford Design: 'Pelegrin'

    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Yes, there's a well as a first option. Rowing a boat with that sort of heft would be an exercise in patience.
    Outboards don't always start when you want them to so being able to move the boat with oars could be a safety feature for some. Then there is also the fringe element who refuse to use any kind of motor on their sailboat. This new design of John's seems like it could be a pretty good solution for Tom's Lathrop's search for a motor-less solution for doing the Big Loop. It might be a real pain to row but at least you'd have a good dry place to eat and sleep.

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    Default Re: New Welsford Design: 'Pelegrin'

    I see displacement is 1800 lb. Anyone know what the tow weight is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoMan View Post
    I see displacement is 1800 lb. Anyone know what the tow weight is?
    "Displacement" includes normal crew of two, some stores, outboard motor and ground tackle. It should come out at around 1150 to 1200 lbs dry depending upon materials and build.

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    Default Re: New Welsford Design: 'Pelegrin'

    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Yes, there's a well as a first option. Rowing a boat with that sort of heft would be an exercise in patience.
    I've watched a very small woman approaching middle age, move a very heavy engineless 30 footer the best part of a mile up an estuary, true she was experienced enough to have waited for the tide, and really only needed to maintain some steerage to thread her way through the moorings, and it took her a while to get it moving but the boat was making a visible ripple at the bow and she wasn't working hard at her single sweep oar.
    We had a cuppa when she'd found her way in.
    I'd known her for a while, her boat was steel, sailed out from South Africa with her husband who'd since died and she had opted to stay on board and carry on with the dream.
    Its a pity she never wrote about her life, she was a very interesting woman.
    Pelegrin would be a piece of cake to shift in comparison, and I'd not have any qualms about rowing it a mile or two as long as I had the time to wait out unfavourable conditions.

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    Default Re: New Welsford Design: 'Pelegrin'

    Its true that hefty sized craft can be moved with a sweep in calm conditions,but i think the key issue would be how easy is it to keep a small boat like Pelegrin moving in sloppy water? Its often possible to get choppy water and a wind thats died, add a little current and a lee-shore and you find yourself in a position of having to keep the boat moving,and adrenaline can help in these situations. I have seen old men in Spain and Portugal fishing off the coast in heavy open boats that i would guess were at least the same weight as Pelegrin,or more. Stand up rowing,big counterbalanced oars,these boats worked in near rocks and surf,and although not fast,obviously there was enough control to put the craft in places that i certainly wouldnt want to find myself in.Cant say i have seen a beach boat in the UK under oars for a very long time. Finding somewhere to stow these big oars when not in use can be tricky,i would lash one each side,blade downwards on the shrouds,and have rowlocks mounted on the top of the coamings(if solid enough). I have only sculled a 26ft 2 ton yacht,the downside i found was that i had to work from one side only,and could not change sides when certain muscles started to complain,and a scull makes for easy manouvering amongst moored boats. Making a proper sized Yuloh(sp) would probably be the most efficent form to go forward, but i would go for oars if i could only have one form,at least with oars you can also pull astern if needs be.

    I do like that rig,only 3 stays and it looks efficient too. NIce!

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    Default Re: New Welsford Design: 'Pelegrin'

    A proper little ship.

    For me, the key thing there is to have a really tall stainless mast tabernackle fabricated so that the mast pivots backwards above the level of the boom attachment. So that stays where it is and the mast sits down on top of the gaff, sail and boom, resting at the back on a rail above the transom. That and an 6-8hp four stroke inside the boat like it says (I guess its arranged like Pathfinders so it can tip up). The side stays can be left on, just a forestay to pull on led back to the cockpit so the helmsman can pull the forestay and support the mast a bit mid flight/fight. Much quicker to lift the mast up each time before going sailing: less kerfuffle. You do need a steepish slipway to float boats with a bit of keel, so I'd get an extension bar on the front of the trailer to get it in further easier and a tilting rollercoaster trailer if could afford it.

    My old Tammie Norrie had a low aspect gunter/ high aspect gaff main sail. Although not conventional, I swapped the two halyards mainsail (throat and peak) for one, using a two part tackle the the throat cringle and a one part halyard to the gaff span. It worked perfectly well. Also as you initially pull it, the one part pulls quicker and the end of the gaff tops up and take the weight off the halyard, the the two part component kicks in and pulls the throat tight. Similarly, on letting go, the one part throat lets the sail down while the two part on the gaff lets down more slowly so the gaff sail comes down throat first and the gaff doesn't fall upside down, nice and controlled. When sailing having the two part on the throat tensions this preferentially, when the halyard is tightened in a blow, helping to keep the luff tight. It also means when reefing you only have one halyard in one hand and one reefing line in the other. With a conventional two halyard system, you've got three lines and two hands, which can be a juggle. The other solution is to take the fat headed main approach on many modern race boats and turn the gaff into a vestigial batten and run the main accross to the mast head which looks tall enough anyhow. Then just one halyard, nice an easy, all straight up 'n down. It would change its image though.

    That deckhouse, provides comfort in poor weather, but also gives alot of inverted buoyancy to help keep her unstable, and roll her back up after a tumble, and stops it taking water aboard, if its ever laid over. I'd make some small drying legs to keep it upright for mud crawling. I also recommend a Traksaw. Pushing a circular saw along a track (mines a posh Festool don't y'know) is super quick, easy and accurate. Cut all the frames, transom etc for that build method in no time.

    I wonder if the cockpit is able to be self draining? Quite important for me for a boat on a mooring.

    Buildable in a standard 17.5ft UK garage too.
    Last edited by keyhavenpotterer; 06-26-2012 at 11:19 AM.

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