Sandusky

[Phillip Allen]

I have no idea if he is guilty or not. What I do wonder is:

'If' he is not guilty, what then? His life is ruined, destroyed with no possible recovery. With that in mind, it IS a great tragedy if he is not guilty.

[Paul Pless]

So this ain't about Cedar Point. . .

I have no idea if he is guilty or not. What I do wonder is:

Venture an opinion, what do think Phillip? Is he guilty or not?

[Tom Montgomery]

Jerry Sandusky's defense attorneys decided not to put him on the stand.

NBC reports that this is because the prosecution was prepared to present adopted son Matt Sandusky as a rebuttal witness.

[Phillip Allen]

So this ain't about Cedar Point. . .

dunno... what's cedar point?

[hokiefan]

After reading quite a number of articles by different journalists covering the whole trial, I don't think Sandusky being not guilty is a problem.

Cheers,

Bobby

[Tom Montgomery]

Cedar Point off of Sandusky, Ohio is the finest amusement park in the U.S.A.

[Paul Pless]

The finest amusement park in the U.S.A.

Roller coaster capitol of the world. What's your favorite ride there Tom?

[elf]

I understand the evidence given by the 8 men willing to come forward was horrendous.

[brad9798]

His not testifying is no big deal ... in almost all cases, a good defense attorney will advise his/her client to NOT testify.

[Paul Pless]

I understand the evidence given by the 8 men willing to come forward was horrendous.

Plus Mike McCreary's testimony and the fact that Sandusky admitted on TV that he liked to shower with small boys. Dude's ******! Where does the state of Pennsylvania send rich white 60 year old convicted pedophiles?

[Tom Montgomery]

Roller coaster capitol of the world. What's your favorite ride there Tom?

I am afraid of heights!

Having said that, my favorites are the two wooden roller coasters: the Blue Streak and the Mean Streak.

The other coasters are either too smooth or too damned frightening for me!

[Phillip Allen]

After reading quite a number of articles by different journalists covering the whole trial, I don't think Sandusky being not guilty is a problem.

Cheers,

Bobby

well. it is better if you are correct.

what got me thinking about it was a pic I saw in the news, he certainly looks like a beaten man. I don't usually keep up with such things as they really do depress me. I automatically want to think the best of people on an individual basis.

aside:
I used to have a neighbor in another state who had a 4 or 5 year old daughter. the little girl loved for me to read to her from one of my books of children's stories. I checked with her mother of course and she said fine. The child would follow me back to my house (a matter of a very few feet) to pick out a story. Because of the built in fear of such indefensible accusations, I would ALWAYS sit outside on the porch in front of the whole world to read to her (she would follow me into the house which scared hell outa me).
I assure all here that I resented the fear but still sat outside

[wardd]

After reading quite a number of articles by different journalists covering the whole trial, I don't think Sandusky being not guilty is a problem.

Cheers,

Bobby

after just a few minutes of him on tv i don't think his not being guilty is a problem either

[wardd]

Plus Mike McCreary's testimony and the fact that Sandusky admitted on TV that he liked to shower with small boys. Dude's ******! Where does the state of Pennsylvania send rich white 60 year old convicted pedophiles?

to Dc as reps or senators

[BrianW]

I am afraid of heights!

Having said that, my favorites are the two wooden roller coasters: the Blue Streak and the Mean Streak.

The other coasters are either too smooth or too damned frightening for me!

I refused to consider getting on the rides at the top of the Stratosphere in Las Vegas.

I've scared myself enough times on mountains, to know I don't like heights.

[Phillip Allen]

to Dc as reps or senators

wardd, THAT was funny (with just enough truth in it for the black humor to work well)

[Tom Montgomery]

I learned that you can adjust to working at height.

I worked for a couple of years as a paint mixer at Ford/Kentucky Truck Plant. It involved climbing up ladders to catwalks about 20' above the floor to attach mixers to paint totes and to measure levels.

The first time I was terrified but I also realized that I either had to cope or give up the job. Apart from the height work the job was great and so I manned up. Over time the height work became less and less of a bother.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Two words "General Population"

[brad9798]

So, you KNOW he is guilty, Joe? Just curious ...

[hokiefan]

So, you KNOW he is guilty, Joe? Just curious ...

Can't speak for Joe. But if the daily articles from several different journalists I've read come anywhere close to reflecting the true testimony, I would have no problem at all finding the man guilty. The murder trial I sat on in Savannah was way more difficult than this one seems to be.

Cheers,

Bobby

[Chris Coose]

Seems though some of you would require a jury of peers to identify a mess of passing ducks.

[B_B]

Can't speak for Joe. But if the daily articles from several different journalists I've read come anywhere close to reflecting the true testimony, I would have no problem at all finding the man guilty. The murder trial I sat on in Savannah was way more difficult than this one seems to be.

Cheers,

Bobby

More damning, to me, is what's been reported of his defense. Big noise was made over the fact that young people and their coaches often shower together. Although this has not been my experience I'd accept the idea. But I've not heard any credible reasoning for, nor an attempt to defend, naked roughhousing between a mentor and mentored in the sports world which Sandusky admitted to, IIRC, in his now infamous TV interview; mentor and mentored in the pedophile world, absolutely.

[wardd]

Seems though some of you would require a jury of peers to identify a mess of passing ducks.

i'm owned by 3 ducks, so easy on the ducks

[brad9798]

To set it straight, I DO believe he is guilty ... based on press.

But press is hardly every correct ... I DO believe, like I have said, that he is guilty.

But not being on the JURY, my opinion holds NO TRUTH!!! Just heresay.

[Gerarddm]

This whole creepshow has nauseated me. And I don't mean the victims. Break him, I say.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

I believe he's guilty based on his own words when he threw himself under the bus in the Costas interview. Also come on how many showers and sleep overs with young boys does one man have before you say, quack it's a duck?

Also what do these former abused kids (now men) have to gain by coming forward, nothing but painful recounting of horrific events, including his own step son who was willing to come forward.

I mean COME ON PEOPLE, one boy crying wolf maybe, two boys eh maybe, EIGHT , NINE nah.

Also I know many good coaches / teachers that RULE ONE is NEVER EVER BE ALONE WITH ANY ONE CHILD.

[fishrswim]

Now his adoptive son has stated that Sandusky molested him as well. He talked to the prosicutors but they decided not to call him.

[B_B]

Jury's reached a verdict. To be delivered tonight, apparently. No news until it's all read into the record.

Amendola said the Sanduskys were spending a lot of time praying. He described the atmosphere at their home as like a funeral.

[Phillip Allen]

I can believe the funeral part...

[B_B]

I can believe the funeral part...

Me too. A lot of dreams, hopes, and sense of self worth were murdered there.

Why they'd be praying is beyond my ken.

[hokiefan]

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[Phillip Allen]

So this ain't about Cedar Point. . .



Venture an opinion, what do think Phillip? Is he guilty or not?

someone complained today that I somehow refused to tell my opinion... I don't have one as I have never kept up with this stuff... yet he complained as though I had commited some sort of sin by with holding information

strange

[Phillip Allen]

so, life...

[B_B]

someone complained today that I somehow refused to tell my opinion... I don't have one as I have never kept up with this stuff... yet he complained as though I had commited some sort of sin by with holding information

strange

Still haven't managed to crawl out of your intellectual lethargy.

[Phillip Allen]

Still haven't managed to crawl out of your intellectual lethargy.

what? that I didn't keep up with this trial? or something else?

perhaps you want me to decry sexual abuse... certainly... it is a great wrong (I didn't think that needed to be voiced at all... it should be self-evident) Do you want me to fly into a passion about it? I certainly would were I to catch someone doing it but this is/was in court and that requires respect for the process and not pitchforks and torches

[B_B]

what? that I didn't keep up with this trial? or something else?

perhaps you want me to decry sexual abuse... certainly... it is a great wrong (I didn't think that needed to be voiced at all... it should be self-evident) Do you want me to fly into a passion about it? I certainly would were I to catch someone doing it but this is/was in court and that requires respect for the process and not pitchforks and torches

You started a thread about "Sandusky".

We all know that you like to think of yourself as an "outside the box" thinker so it should come as no surprise that when you label your box "Sandusky" what you really intend to discuss is your view on everything other than Sandusky Ohio (you had your chance with the roller coaster thing, no bite) or Jerry Sandusky (you had several bites but spit them out contemptuously).

You need a hobby, eff that, you need a life. Your trolling is tiresome.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Two words "General Population"

Justice

[Tom Montgomery]

Thank Goodness!

I was concerned that the jury might return a not guilty verdict having never heard that his adopted son was prepared to testify as a rebuttal witness.

[Nicholas Scheuer]

The jury found him guilty (didn't take long), and I'll be glad to see his sorry ass in jail for a few years.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

I have no idea if he is guilty or not. What I do wonder is:

'If' he is not guilty, what then? His life is ruined, destroyed with no possible recovery. With that in mind, it IS a great tragedy if he is not guilty.

Well guess what AWWWW Shucks He was found guilty like I knew he would be cause unlike you i followed the case and would never think of starting a thread so ill informed ( or faked ill informed ) Yes it's a great tragedy to the victims and the community, fook Sandusky I hope he rots in jail.

[Tom Montgomery]

Sandusky's defense lawyer, Amendola, told the press earlier today (pre-verdict) that he would "die of a heart attack from shock" if Sandusky was not convicted on at least a few counts.

It's pretty damning when your defense attorney makes such public statements.

[Tom Montgomery]

someone complained today that I somehow refused to tell my opinion... I don't have one as I have never kept up with this stuff...

Classic!

This will become my new signature line.

[2MeterTroll]

what it means is that worse was left off the table. Guilty is irrelevant, guilty of what has merit.

Sandusky's defense lawyer, Amendola, told the press earlier today (pre-verdict) that he would "die of a heart attack from shock" if Sandusky was not convicted on at least a few counts.

It's pretty damning when your defense attorney makes such public statements.

[Tom Montgomery]

Mr. Amendola said Mr. Sandusky did not testify because his adopted son, Matt Sandusky, had come forward in the past week to say that he had been abused by his father. That left defense attorneys in a bind, Mr. Amendola said, because prosecutors had made clear that if the coach took the stand, they would call his adopted son as a rebuttal witness. Mr. Amendola said that the defense "reluctantly" made the decision not to let their client take the stand. "Jerry Sandusky still wanted to testify," he said.

[David G]

Sandusky is a warped and broken man. The kind of broken that's not easily or often mended. It wouldn't be surprising if he got that way by being victimized himself. He needs to be sequestered. If there's any way he can create restitution, or otherwise make amends to his victims... that would be helpful for all involved. Punishment, and retribution is tempting, but ultimately cheap and pointless.

[LeeG]

If there's any way he can create restitution, or otherwise make amends to his victims...

how?

[Minnesnowtan]

So how do you guys feel/believe about the Michael Jackson molestations/accusals?

[LeeG]

So how do you guys feel/believe about the Michael Jackson molestations/accusals?

what's the connection between "you guys" and this case?

[B_B]

So how do you guys feel/believe about the Michael Jackson molestations/accusals?

been there done that start another thread

[Tom Montgomery]

So how do you guys feel/believe about the Michael Jackson molestations/accusals?

The first accuser made statements to the police that turned out to be false. Jackson was not prosecuted

The next allegation resulted in a prosecution. Jackson was acquitted on all charges.

Is there a point you are attempting to make?