Is Obama trying to lose the election?

[genglandoh]

IMHO Obama’s actions are causing him to lose voters.
Just a few examples

1. Forcing Churches to provide birth control in their healthcare benefits for employees.
   This has caused a big push back from Churches.
2. Supporting same-sex marriages.
   This was done just after NC voted down same-sex marriages.
   It will cost him votes in NC and other church going voters.
3. Tried to take credit away from the military over the Bin Laden Killing.
   This has upset the Military and will cause the Military to vote against him.
4. Trying to distract Women from the economy and jobs by manufacturing a War on Women
   Women are not buying this distraction and are moving to Romney.
5. Not visiting Wisconsin to support the recall of Walker.
   Unions have lost big time and are upset with Obama.
6. Bypassing Congress by having the EPA pass regulations that will shut down the Coal Power plant industry.
   This will hurt the Midwest states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and will cost him votes.
7. Bypassing Congress by announcing work permits to illegal aliens.
   This will cause the current unemployed to vote against him.

I also think every time Obama bypasses Congress it will energize the TEA Party voters against Obama.

[David W Pratt]

Bypassing Congress sets a dangerous precedent. Eventually thee will be a President whose ideas you don't share, you don't want that SOB bypassing Congress.

[Concordia 33]

Bypassing Congress sets a dangerous precedent. Eventually thee will be a President whose ideas you don't share, you don't want that SOB bypassing Congress.

And ignoring his past statements as well.....

"America is a nation of laws, which means I, as the president, am obligated to enforce the law. I don't have a choice about that. That's part of my job,” Obama

said in March 2011 at a town hall event hosted by the Spanish-language television network Univision.

I guess he forgot that he said that. After all, it was a whole year ago.....

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

The Congress is unable to come to grips ith almost anything of importance because of party intransigence. It woud be foolish for the president to get sucked into that gridlock when he is campaigning for re-election.
As president he has the power to issue presidential directives. If any of it is patently illegal his opponents will have him in court ASAP. They have lawyers that look at everything Obama does. They would test his urine if they could get a sample.
You may go back to your hand wringing if it makes you feel better.

[Glen Longino]

Yes, Obama is trying to lose the election!
He's tired of it...sick of being POTUS.
I've heard from confidential sources that Obama wants to lose the election and move back to Kenya where he hopes to hunt lions and other big game with a spear as a hobby.
So, you can rest easy now and stop your daily speculative rants!

[hanleyclifford]

Wow, I got giggling and whipping and all you get is handwringing? And Glen, watch that talk about hunting with spears - wasn't so long ago "spear" was part of a nono word.

[JimD]

He's definitely alienating the segment of the population that doesn't like him.

[skuthorp]

I could never understand why he wanted the job in the first place, he and his family didn't need the grief and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he thought better of it.

[LeeG]

Of course he's trying to lose the election, leading where people fear to go is a risky proposition.

[John Smith]

I think for most of these issues, he's taking positions the public likes. I don't think a church or a church affiliated organization that employs people should be exempt from any labor laws. I believe most don't care if two people of the same sex get married.

I do believe someone on Obama's side of the ledger should be asking the public some touch questions along the lines of:

Aren't you embarrased that we put men on the moon and now have to buy a ticket from the Russians to get an American to the space station? Could we have put a man on the moon with today's tax rates? Could we have built the interstate highway system under today's tax rates?

[Boater14]

Man you need to start reading. The tea party is energized and was since the day the black guy took the oath. The nuns say it's a war on women. I'll pay pal you $100.00 if you show me where Obama too credit away from the military on the bin laden kill. Lastly, the armed forces always vote for the reep. Your really young aren't you? It all looks simple when your young. Turn the tv and am radio off.

[Tom Montgomery]

*sigh*

With apologies to Green Day: Wake Me Up When September Ends.

I intend to enjoy my summer. I'm willing to continue to discuss current events and the related politics.

But I'm uninterested in the day-to-day electoral campaign BS. October is soon enough to think about my vote in November.

[Gerarddm]

The sheer ridiculousness of the original post begs for a point by point annotation:

1. Forcing Churches to provide birth control in their healthcare benefits for employees.
   This has caused a big push back from Churches.

So what. Got more votes from people not hung up on dogma. Ask the majority of women voters of
this country who THEY side with.
2. Supporting same-sex marriages.
This was done just after NC voted down same-sex marriages.
It will cost him votes in NC and other church going voters.
Hilarious. He won't have the votes of any Simpleton no matter what, anyway. Took the moral high ground, country is better off for it. Hell, even war criminal Richard Bruce Cheney approves- now THAT is saying something! The country is moving away from cultural Luddites. Net effect= win for Obama, and country.

3. Tried to take credit away from the military over the Bin Laden Killing.
This has upset the Military and will cause the Military to vote against him.
No. Military has respect for the guy who made the very tough call, and then heaped respect on them for doing a splendid job. Take credit from them how? Troops dislike empty war mongering from Romney and the neo cons.

4. Trying to distract Women from the economy and jobs by manufacturing a War on Women
Women are not buying this distraction and are moving to Romney.
Only in your dreams. The Republican war on women ( nice bumper sticker ) is real. The gender gap is large in Obama's favor.

5. Not visiting Wisconsin to support the recall of Walker.
Unions have lost big time and are upset with Obama.
Well, this actually might have a grain of truth in it. But as upset as they MAY be, they CERTAINLY ain't gonna swing to the right because of it.

6.Bypassing Congress by having the EPA pass regulations that will shut down the Coal Power plant industry.
This will hurt the Midwest states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and will cost him votes.
Balanced by the pro-environment votes elsewhere. And they certainly won't 'shut down' the industry, what absurdity.

7. Bypassing Congress by announcing work permits to illegal aliens.
This will cause the current unemployed to vote against him.
Says you. Are you unemployed? Massive win for Obama solidifying his Hispanic vote lead and energizing that base.
I also think every time Obama bypasses Congress it will energize the TEA Party voters against Obama.
As if they need more energizing. Meanwhile, every time Obama pulls a move on the do-nothing Congress, he gains propers with independent voters.

[genglandoh]

The sheer ridiculousness of the original post begs for a point by point annotation:

1. Forcing Churches to provide birth control in their healthcare benefits for employees.
   This has caused a big push back from Churches.

So what. Got more votes from people not hung up on dogma. Ask the majority of women voters of
this country who THEY side with.
2. Supporting same-sex marriages.
This was done just after NC voted down same-sex marriages.
It will cost him votes in NC and other church going voters.
Hilarious. He won't have the votes of any Simpleton no matter what, anyway. Took the moral high ground, country is better off for it. Hell, even war criminal Richard Bruce Cheney approves- now THAT is saying something! The country is moving away from cultural Luddites. Net effect= win for Obama, and country.

3. Tried to take credit away from the military over the Bin Laden Killing.
This has upset the Military and will cause the Military to vote against him.
No. Military has respect for the guy who made the very tough call, and then heaped respect on them for doing a splendid job. Take credit from them how? Troops dislike empty war mongering from Romney and the neo cons.

4. Trying to distract Women from the economy and jobs by manufacturing a War on Women
Women are not buying this distraction and are moving to Romney.
Only in your dreams. The Republican war on women ( nice bumper sticker ) is real. The gender gap is large in Obama's favor.

5. Not visiting Wisconsin to support the recall of Walker.
Unions have lost big time and are upset with Obama.
Well, this actually might have a grain of truth in it. But as upset as they MAY be, they CERTAINLY ain't gonna swing to the right because of it.

6.Bypassing Congress by having the EPA pass regulations that will shut down the Coal Power plant industry.
This will hurt the Midwest states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and will cost him votes.
Balanced by the pro-environment votes elsewhere. And they certainly won't 'shut down' the industry, what absurdity.

7. Bypassing Congress by announcing work permits to illegal aliens.
This will cause the current unemployed to vote against him.
Says you. Are you unemployed? Massive win for Obama solidifying his Hispanic vote lead and energizing that base.
I also think every time Obama bypasses Congress it will energize the TEA Party voters against Obama.
As if they need more energizing. Meanwhile, every time Obama pulls a move on the do-nothing Congress, he gains propers with independent voters.

Sorry I should have provided some supporting material.

1. Catholics are upset
U.S. Catholic groups sue to block contraception mandate
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84K19R20120521

2. The War on Women is not working
Poll: Romney up, Obama down among women
The CBS News/New York Times poll shows Obama's support among female voters dropping five points over the last two months, from 49% to 44%. Romney is up 3 from 43% to 46% within that coveted demographic, according to the survey. The margin is still within the survey's sampling error, however.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...n-among-women/

Is the Obama-Romney gender gap narrowing?
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows President Obama’s advantage over Mitt Romney among women has narrowed to 7 percent — down from a 19-percentage-point advantage last month.
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...e-the-election

Five reasons why Obama is losing the contraception fight
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...kzQ_story.html

3. Obama will lose NC
Is Obama losing support among black N.C. voters?
Inside the numbers are more surprises. According to the poll, 76 percent of African-American voters in North Carolina now support the president, with 20 percent preferring Romney. That’s far from the 95 percent support he received from the most loyal members of his base in 2008.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...vRcV_blog.html

4. Midwest Coal Plants are closing
FirstEnergy closing 6 coal-fired power plants
http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news/...lants-1.257090

Utilities announce closure of 10 aging power plants in Midwest, East
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...EiR_story.html

[Gerarddm]

Thanks for the citations.

1. Pushback from church heirarchy is not the same as lay parishioners. Most Catholic women completely ignore the Church's contraception tenets.

2. It will probably be a close election. I knew the gender gap had shrunk somewhat, but was still there. I doubt the poll findings showing Romney ahead, viz the second poll.

3. My earlier statement still applies.

4. That some plants are closing is not "shutting down the industry" as you previously claimed, what stuff. Complaints about this are like the old complaints about Pittsbugh area mills which fouled the air. The mills ( and jobs, to be sure ) are largely gone, and so is the old endemic air pollution. Other jobs are taking their place. Keeping open aging polluting plants just for jobs is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Progress is our most important product, as GE used to say.

My other observations hold.

[Boater14]

Did anyone not know that romneys numbers would soar once he had the nomination? If you've watched politics at all you know that a basic difference between dems and reeps is that reeps will coalesce around a child molester if he's the nominee. They'd vote for Jerry Sandusky if he vowed to lower their taxes and let them buy guns at kroegers. Catholic women haven't listened to an archbishop since 1958. Shuffling their perverts from parish to parish was the last straw. My compliments to you for not quoting fox, cato or the heritage foundation.

[S.V. Airlie]

Wow Boatr..Soar? What 3 or 4 points and not in every poll. May be Obama's numbers sank. WOW Romney is really flying with the eagles ain't he?
PS, Pres. Obama just clinched his nomination officially. Didn't see any change in the polls

[Glen Longino]

Wow Boatr..Soar? What 3 or 4 points and not in every poll. May be Obama's numbers sank. WOW Romney is really flying with the eagles ain't he?
PS, Pres. Obama just clinched his nomination officially. Didn't see any change in the polls

Whooooosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Keith Wilson]

Surprise, surprise - every one of those things is something Mr. G disagrees with. This is an example of a common op-ed/blog format called a "concern troll", tactical advice for Obama from those who won't vote for him under any circumstances. The standard form is "act more like a Republican and you might win".

[genglandoh]

Thanks for the citations.

1. Pushback from church heirarchy is not the same as lay parishioners. Most Catholic women completely ignore the Church's contraception tenets.

2. It will probably be a close election. I knew the gender gap had shrunk somewhat, but was still there. I doubt the poll findings showing Romney ahead, viz the second poll.

3. My earlier statement still applies.

4. That some plants are closing is not "shutting down the industry" as you previously claimed, what stuff. Complaints about this are like the old complaints about Pittsbugh area mills which fouled the air. The mills ( and jobs, to be sure ) are largely gone, and so is the old endemic air pollution. Other jobs are taking their place. Keeping open aging polluting plants just for jobs is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Progress is our most important product, as GE used to say.

My other observations hold.

You make some good points.
I also do not think Romney is ahead of Obama with women, yet.

The big question is in total do you think these actions has lost Obama Votes?
I think Obama has made a big miscalculation on these issues and has lost votes.

[S.V. Airlie]

So Glen, you think after clinching unofficially the nomination, Romney. SOARED in the polls.Maybe from your perspective, a few points is really soaring ahead there isn't it?

[genglandoh]

Surprise, surprise - every one of those things is something Mr. G disagrees with. This is an example of a common op-ed/blog format called a "concern troll", tactical advice for Obama from those who won't vote for him under any circumstances. The standard form is "act more like a Republican and you might win".

Not really.
In general I am a small Government guy who believes people not government can make a better decision about their lives.

So I have no problem with same sex marriage.
This is a personal decision and the Government should not get involved.

In this case I think Obama did a brave thing by supporting same sex marriage but he will lose votes because of it.

[Keith Wilson]

One by one:

1. Not a big push-back from "the churches", just the Roman Catholic hierarchy; not the same thing at all. Conservative Catholics won't vote for anyone who supports keeping abortion legal anyway. Fundamentalist Protestants won't vote for Obama under any circumstances. The vast majority of the country supports the president on this, and the Republicans look like troglodytes. Politically it's probably a mild plus, not big.

2. Hard to tell yet. I'd bet it's a wash.

3. The premise is false; complete nonsense. Anyone who would believe this probably thinks Fox News is fair and balanced, and wouldn't vote for Obama anyway. Bin Laden's death is a big plus for Obama, but it probably happened too far before the election to make much difference.

4. He invented nothing. The Republicans are the ones who have been attempting various restrictions on women's freedom to control their own fertility, and it won't help them. How much it hurts depends on what they do between now and the election. If the Republicans have any sense, they'll put all that back in the closet and keep quiet.

5. Obama not visiting Wisconsin will make no difference at all. Walker's surviving the recall will have an effect; it puts public employees' unions on notice that the Republicans will completely destroy them if they can. If they had any doubt about supporting Democrats, it's gone. "Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully."

6. Too technical, most folks don't understand. Support for coal is balanced by the green vote. No net effect.

7. You have this completely backwards. The people benefited are here already. The change will actually reduce downward pressure on wages, since those working legally have greater rights. This has removed most of the doubts non-Cuban Latinos have about Obama, and will turn out to be a large positive. Hispanic voters may decide this election.

[wardd]

One by one:

1. Not a big push-back from "the churches", just the Roman Catholic hierarchy; not the same thing at all. Conservative Catholics won't vote for anyone who supports keeping abortion legal anyway. Fundamentalist Protestants won't vote for Obama under any circumstances. The vast majority of the country supports the president on this, and the Republicans look like troglodytes. Politically it's probably a mild plus, not big.

2. Hard to tell yet. I'd bet it's a wash.

3. The premise is false; complete nonsense. Anyone who would believe this probably thinks Fox News is fair and balanced, and wouldn't vote for Obama anyway. Bin Laden's death is a big plus for Obama, but it probably happened too far before the election to make much difference.

4. He invented nothing. The Republicans are the ones who have been attempting various restrictions on women's freedom to control their own fertility, and it won't help them. How much it hurts depends on what they do between now and the election. If the Republicans have any sense, they'll put all that back in the closet and keep quiet.

5. Obama not visiting Wisconsin will make no difference at all. Walker's surviving the recall will have an effect; it puts public employees' unions on notice that the Republicans will completely destroy them if they can. If they had any doubt about supporting Democrats, it's gone. "Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully."

6. Too technical, most folks don't understand. Support for coal is balanced by the green vote. No net effect.

7. You have this completely backwards. The people benefited are here already. The change will actually reduce downward pressure on wages, since those working legally have greater rights. This has removed most of the doubts non-Cuban Latinos have about Obama, and will turn out to be a large positive. Hispanic voters may decide this election.

wait until mitt becomes hispanic

[Boater14]

If you don't call those fundraising numbers SOARING you aren't paying attention. Look at the generic republican vs Obama and then look at Romney vs Obama. From now until the election let's all watch the news hour. That would be on PBS, the network with the highest credibility with the people. SOARING compared to fox or msnbc. That way we can all have a sane, fact filled conversation. And as a bonus, I'll pay pal you ten dollars for every instance of liberal bias you can quote from the news Hour. Ten million from Adelson alone......SOARING. The Cuban Americans will remain staunch reeps.

[Nicholas Scheuer]

I'd say Obama's new policy regarding NOT deporting young illegal aliens will be HUGE for Hispanics; HUGE.

[wardd]

I'd say Obama's new policy regarding NOT deporting young illegal aliens will be HUGE for Hispanics; HUGE.

not so fast, romney is already etch a sketching

[genglandoh]

I'd say Obama's new policy regarding NOT deporting young illegal aliens will be HUGE for Hispanics; HUGE.

I do think Obama saw that he was losing Latino support (as I pointed out in the thread below) and did a political calculation to get the support back.

I do not think he will get it all the way back to the 2008 Election levels of 67% of the vote.


http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...port&highlight=

[genglandoh]

If you don't call those fundraising numbers SOARING you aren't paying attention. Look at the generic republican vs Obama and then look at Romney vs Obama. From now until the election let's all watch the news hour. That would be on PBS, the network with the highest credibility with the people. SOARING compared to fox or msnbc. That way we can all have a sane, fact filled conversation. And as a bonus, I'll pay pal you ten dollars for every instance of liberal bias you can quote from the news Hour. Ten million from Adelson alone......SOARING. The Cuban Americans will remain staunch reeps.

I do not think Obama's fundraising is soaring.
He got a one time increase is money from Hollywood based on suppporting same sex marriage.

But it will cost him NC in the process.

[Boater14]

My point exactly. now that Romney is the nominee his funding thanks to the bush activist court is soaring. North Carolina is just going to have to decide is they want to stay stuck in 1861.

[genglandoh]

IMHO Obama’s actions are causing him to lose voters.
Just a few examples

1. Forcing Churches to provide birth control in their healthcare benefits for employees.
   This has caused a big push back from Churches.
2. Supporting same-sex marriages.
   This was done just after NC voted down same-sex marriages.
   It will cost him votes in NC and other church going voters.
3. Tried to take credit away from the military over the Bin Laden Killing.
   This has upset the Military and will cause the Military to vote against him.
4. Trying to distract Women from the economy and jobs by manufacturing a War on Women
   Women are not buying this distraction and are moving to Romney.
5. Not visiting Wisconsin to support the recall of Walker.
   Unions have lost big time and are upset with Obama.
6. Bypassing Congress by having the EPA pass regulations that will shut down the Coal Power plant industry.
   This will hurt the Midwest states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and will cost him votes.
7. Bypassing Congress by announcing work permits to illegal aliens.
   This will cause the current unemployed to vote against him.

I also think every time Obama bypasses Congress it will energize the TEA Party voters against Obama.

Add 2 more

8. Obama has not visited Israel as President
This might have gone unnoticed but Romney has decided to visit Israel this summer
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/us...to-israel.html

9. Obama has decided not to give a speech at the NAACP Convention this week in Houston.
Romney is going to speak.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...on-128135.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1608751.html

[Keith Wilson]

Obama has decided not to give a speech at the NAACP Convention this week in Houston. Romney is going to speak.

LOL! This is beyond grasping at straws, this is grasping at subatomic strings. If you think this is going to change the African-American vote for Obama by .01%, you are sorely mistaken.

[wardd]

LOL! This is beyond grasping at straws, this is grasping at subatomic strings. If you think this is going to change the African-American vote for Obama by .01%, you are sorely mistaken.

of course he's mistaken, he's a wingnut

[genglandoh]

LOL! This is beyond grasping at straws, this is grasping at subatomic strings. If you think this is going to change the African-American vote for Obama by .01%, you are sorely mistaken.

Maybe you have not been reading the News.
Black Voter support for Obama has been slipping because of his support for same sex marriage.

According to the poll, 76 percent of African-American voters in North Carolina now support the president, with 20 percent preferring Romney. That’s far from the 95 percent support he received from the most loyal members of his base in 2008.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...vRcV_blog.html

Black Pastors Reject Obama Over Gay Marriage Support
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...rriage-support

[botebum]

Seems like you're kind of cherry picking the article to suit your agenda. Try reading the entire article and getting the whole picture.

While few believe the 20 percent black voter support for Romney in the PPP poll will remain that high, it might be an opportunity for him to expand his base. Though Romney has been aggressive about releasing Spanish-language ads in an attempt to appeal to Hispanic voters, his outreach to African Americans has been much more low-key.

Reports that as governor of Massachusetts he scaled back long-standing affirmative action policies don’t help.

... polls have shown African Americans moving toward support of same-sex marriage since the president’s statements...

I can cherry pick too. The overall gist of the article was that Obama shouldn't take his Black constituency for granted, not that Romney was going to pick up NC by default.

I still believe (in reference to your other thread about NC) that Obama will win NC.

Doug

[wardd]

if you're a republican and you can't get the black vote, then just don't let them vote

[skipper68]

if you're a republican and you can't get the black vote, then just don't let them vote

REALLY? You disappoint me. Am I seeing predigest here? Are you being predigest? Skin color don't matter. It's character. I hope I'm dumb here. PLEASE?

[Michael Beckman]

REALLY? You disappoint me. Am I seeing predigest here? Are you being predigest? Skin color don't matter. It's character. I hope I'm dumb here. PLEASE?

predigest against republicans, maybe

[hokiefan]

Was talking with my daughter last week. She said her college friends think there is absolutely no way Romney wins, or even come close. It doesn't surprise me that college kids believe Obama will win, but it does surprise me that SOUTH GEORGIA college kids believe that. That blew me away.

Told her I thought the election would be very close, she had trouble believing that.

Cheers,

Bobby

[LeeG]

Predigest?

[Paul Girouard]

Predigest?

I think Skipper meant prejudice and selected predigest from a spell checker selection. But then again it's is Skipper and she could have meant ; predigest: to treat by a process of partial digestion before introduction into the stomach.

If in doubt see Lefty's thread about , thinking anyone cares what you think. It all can be made to fit in some where, if you're open minded / progressive enough.

[LeeG]

That's mighty open minded of you Paul.

[SMARTINSEN]

Perhaps she was ruminating.

[hanleyclifford]

I think way too much is made of the significance of the black vote.

[John Smith]

He's definitely alienating the segment of the population that doesn't like him.

I was about to point that out. Don't forget he had the nerve to speak to school children.

For some reason this OP made me think of "All in the Family". Those of the younger set may not remember this now famous sitcom, but it was about a very bigoted Archie Bunker. It only got on the air in the first place because CBS didn't have enough new shows to fill all the spots. They were afraid of pubic reaction to this show and had a phone bank waiting for the calls: that never came. The point I hope to make with this is that the public was way ahead of the CBS executives. Because of the poor time slot they gave this show when they first aired it, it took some time for the masses to find it. Once they did, they loved it and that show has a well deserved spot in our memory.

Churches, like corporations, don't vote. The Church may have a problem with contraception, but that is shared by a very small number of its members.

The majority of Americns, based on polls I've seen, no longer oppose same sex marriage. The vast majority of American women use birth control. The church can't get pregnant. Its female members can.

Again, those of the older among us may remember they days before Roe v Wade. Self abortation (I just made that up) wasn't such a good thing. Again, the elder folks can remember when we had a deeply segregated south, and other parts of our history I am not proud of.

I accept a president who evolves and can, when given new facts or more time to think, can change his position. That's not always a bad thing. I don't think it's any of MY business who YOU marry or whether you terminate YOU pregnancy or take birth control medicines or use condoms.

Curiously, those people who oppose contraception and abortion don't like welfare, food stamps, or single moms. Seems to me they want the woman/child to have the baby as punishment for behavior they don't approve of, but I'll be they've engaged in.

There is another side to Obama that those who hate him try to hide: GM is alive and Bin Ladin is dead. Would you rather that be the other way around? While the economy is far from where we would want it to be, it did change direction immediately following the stimulus.

My view is Obama's biggest enemy is the lack of patience and the short memories of the American voter. It often seems I am the only person in America who suggests the reason we have so few jobs here is because we've outsourced most of them over several decades. I did not blame Bush for high gas prices, I only chuckled that he's fix that by "jawboning" with his friends in the industry. I acknowledge he had no control over this. Too bad the same honesty hasn't been shared with this President. I did not blame Bush for all the jobs that have been outsourced: I merely pointed out that the tax cuts he gave the "job creators" didn't create any jobs.

There are things Obama has done that disappointed me. I think I can say that about all presidents.

What's the alternative? Romney is a real flip flopper. He's changed his position so often on so many things, that he has no idea what he really believes: neither do we. This is the classic guy born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple.

I'm not running the campaign, so I can only consider how I would run it if I were. There will be a great deal of money spent trying to re-write history. It may work. It's worked before.

If I were in charge, I'd run a short ad on killing Bin Laden. It would remind the people that Romney, in his own words, would not have looked for him. It would point out that sending the seals rather than taking the less risky path of using a drone allowed us to caputure all sorts of data. In this ad I would also point out Romney's opposition to the auto loan, and end the ad with GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead. With president Romeny it would be the other way around.

I'd also remind people of the uproar caused by a sitting president talking to school children. This will remind people of what Obama was up against as he set out to fix our problems.

I would run some ads that begin with Romney saying, "Obama cannot run on his record" and follow that with clips of Obama running on his record.

Out of all of this, I'd like the reaction to his speaking to school children addressed here. Was there anyone on this board who thought this President should not be allowed to speak to the school children?

[ljb5]

As is normal with Geng's post, the opening salvo is full of lies.

The rule about contraception doe not apply to Churches. We been over this already.

And the idea that Obama tried to take credit away from the military? That never happened. The Obama team has been consistent in their praise for the military, and even gave some credit to the Bush team, which was far more gracious than what the Bush team offered in return

Busted again, Geng.

[genglandoh]

As is normal with Geng's post, the opening salvo is full of lies.

The rule about contraception doe not apply to Churches. We been over this already.

And the idea that Obama tried to take credit away from the military? That never happened. The Obama team has been consistent in their praise for the military, and even gave some credit to the Bush team, which was far more gracious than what the Bush team offered in return

Busted again, Geng.

If I said Religious Organizations instead of Churches would that make you happy?
Stop getting so upset about a simple word “Church”.

The point is do you think these actions from Obama will help or hurt him in the Election?
I have posted my opinion and some supporting material can you do the same without attacking?

[wardd]

I think Skipper meant prejudice and selected predigest from a spell checker selection. But then again it's is Skipper and she could have meant ; predigest: to treat by a process of partial digestion before introduction into the stomach.

If in doubt see Lefty's thread about , thinking anyone cares what you think. It all can be made to fit in some where, if you're open minded / progressive enough.

well humans do partially predigest their food

[ccmanuals]

So Obama is trying to lose the election because he doesn't agree with your campaign strategy. That's pretty funny.

[John Smith]

If I said Religious Organizations instead of Churches would that make you happy?
Stop getting so upset about a simple word “Church”.

The point is do you think these actions from Obama will help or hurt him in the Election?
I have posted my opinion and some supporting material can you do the same without attacking?

Where in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution are there rights given to organizations? I know I'm bucking some justices on the Supreme Court here, but these rights are rights of people. A church should concern itself with reproductive rights when the Church gets pregnant.