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    There's lines and interior plan in Peter Heatons penguin book " Cruising" as well.
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    Saw her under full sail in Antigua, breathtakingly pretty. Her owner, Crispin, was an different drummer, we were in the Admirals Inn, in English Harbour, he'd cut his finger and so decided to dance with every girl dressed in white, thereby leaving his mark on their dress.

    He was murdered in odd circumstances in Sint Maarten (never a safe place)

    As was said a wonderful ferro boat, Jeremy Burnett knows quite a bit about her, she's in my top 50 of favourite boats.


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    Thanks for those Cap......and before you sell off the first born, I'll remind you they are handy when there's heavy lifting to be done......

    And for general interest's sake....here's the intriguing yawl Heptarchy, designed by Percy Dalton in 1976, built at Gweek (place or yard?), and launched in 1979.



    It's too bad her sheer goes flat in the aft few feet.......nice boat otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Peter Brookes client has stopped work on the pilot cutter here and its now for sale.

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boat...-484328884.htm



    someone with vision required to have the thing completed, and then embark on a nice little 1/2 RTW voyage back to J.O.E
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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Peter Brookes client has stopped work on the pilot cutter here and its now for sale.

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boat...-484328884.htm



    someone with vision required to have the thing completed, and then embark on a nice little 1/2 RTW voyage back to J.O.E
    Not so much the vision - many of us have that - more a matter of the money!

    This happens very often - someone sets out to have a boat built to "perfect" standards and runs out of money halfway.

    This hull is to a much much higher standard than the working pilot skiffs were built to - in general they are rather lightly framed, and often with any old rubbish, even including sapwood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnJ2ds View Post
    Where was the plan published?
    I believe that drawing of Heptarchy was published in Classic Boat, probably part of a John Leather piece on Dalton's work. I did know she was cement but had forgotton that fact. I think it's rather interesting to study there older "more powerful forward than aft" hulls. The pilot cutters show the same shape.......one wonders about a race between one of these and an identical hull with different volume distribution.......That is slightly finer forward and fuller aft...should stand up better going to windward, but dive deeper off the wind....so many conditions to consider........
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    Dyarchy shows up a few times in this film from 1965 when she was moored next to Carlotta off St Mawes.
    Check out this video on YouTube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2BYI...e_gdata_player

    You can see her at the 2:00 minute mark.

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    Doing it backwards, but hopefully doing it
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    ...... and the first shall be last.
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    I have a photo somewhere, currently cant find it, of Dyarchy, Carlotta, Kelpie (Crispin Rushworth Lund's boat at that time) and Moya a most beautiful large prawner yacht racing in the Old gaffers race at Dartmouth in the 70's. Wonderful big boats. Moya and Dyarchy now in the Med, Carlotta often seen on the Forum.Percy Dalton, who designed Heptarchy,and drew lines for Falmouth working boats was an interesting character. He was a trained artist and many people round here, including me, have paintings by him of packet ships and other craft. He was the draftsman at Falmouth Boat Co. where he worked with Rodney Warrington Smyth, they built the 6 and 9 ton Falmouth Pilots. In his later years Percy had his office over a fish and chip shop called "The Big Fry" two good reasons for going to see him. In his youth he had sailed with the great Bobby Somerset on Jolie Brise.
    Heptarchy can still be seen around. Gweek is a centre for wooden boat building and restoration, Luke Powell and David Walkey being great craftsmen.As well as Kindly Light, now on her mooring in Falmouth,David has restored other cutters and various yachts including the S&S yawl Cometa that Ed also worked on,Olin came over for the re launch.
    Luke is well known for his West country type Pilot cutters which he builds on spec but always sells.He has a book coming out in The Autumn that should be interesting.Finally to add to the old boat scene here, Temptress Edward Allcard's old yawl is moored in the Harbour. Im now off for a sail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    I don't recall ever seeing photographs of Dyarchy's interior, but I never saw those early (rare here) Hiscock books. I've studied the drawings in Taylor's Good Boats, and the Giles book among other places. I was always impressed the boat has no dedicated head, just a toilet under a bench in the foc'sl. Unusual!
    Hey, that's exactly what my boat has! Is that so unusual? I don't have any pics of it. The focsle is separated from the main cabin by a bulkhead with a door in it. Loo is dead centre, aft of the sampson post. There is a washbasin on the stb side. Sail shelf to port. Anchor chain falls for'd of the loo. A locker for spare anchor chain, snubber, odds and sods, to stbd, forward of the washbasin. A couple of hooks for stowage of the boathook, deck scrubber etc, up high under the deck.

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    potterer.....

    Yes, the games of "What if?", "How come?", and "Maybe?", are endlessly fascinating......
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    I just checked and the Heptarchy drawing above did indeed appear in Classic Boat #110 (August 1997), in an article called Percy Dalton's working boats written by John Leather. In the text Leather mentions the "49' (15m) gaff-rigged cruising yawl", "Rushworth Lund named her Heptarchy - also a reference to her proportions." She was designed in 1976 and completed in 1979. Dalton was killed at Christmas 1982 in a gas explosion at his home, apparently a leak from a portable "gas fire".....heater in this country I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by potterer View Post
    I'm puzzled. (Nothing new there.)
    The caption to Heptarchy talks about a 'rule of seven', about which I'd never heard.

    So I downloaded and printed the lines plan shown in TR's post, reposted by Hwyl.
    Her beam at St13 is said to be 14' (168"), or 50mm on my printout: a factor of 3.36.
    The draught is said to be 7' (84"), or 25mm on my printout: a factor of 3.36.
    Her length is said to be 49' (588"), but on my printout the LOD (AP to FP) is 187mm: a factor of 3.14...
    Draught is 7'; beam and length are multiples of 7. Perhaps that's the mysterious 'rule of sevens'?

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    I believe that it derives from the "rule of threes", in short a mathematical corruption of the Greek "entasis" a figure that can be something between 3.33 and 3.68.
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    Resurrecting my original thread, there is lots of interesting information about Dyarchy, including pictures and film at http://www.johnlawrenceyachts.com/dyarchy-research/

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    She's for sale.

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    Just searching for somehing, I came across this thread, well worth a bump.

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    Not Dyarchy but Matahari and an interior I really like .



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    I like a table that folds up against the mast, that companionway is a bit extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Burnett View Post
    I have a photo somewhere, currently cant find it, of Dyarchy, Carlotta, Kelpie (Crispin Rushworth Lund's boat at that time) and Moya a most beautiful large prawner yacht racing in the Old gaffers race at Dartmouth in the 70's. Wonderful big boats. Moya and Dyarchy now in the Med, Carlotta often seen on the Forum.Percy Dalton, who designed Heptarchy,and drew lines for Falmouth working boats was an interesting character. He was a trained artist and many people round here, including me, have paintings by him of packet ships and other craft. He was the draftsman at Falmouth Boat Co. where he worked with Rodney Warrington Smyth, they built the 6 and 9 ton Falmouth Pilots. In his later years Percy had his office over a fish and chip shop called "The Big Fry" two good reasons for going to see him. In his youth he had sailed with the great Bobby Somerset on Jolie Brise.
    Heptarchy can still be seen around. Gweek is a centre for wooden boat building and restoration, Luke Powell and David Walkey being great craftsmen.As well as Kindly Light, now on her mooring in Falmouth,David has restored other cutters and various yachts including the S&S yawl Cometa that Ed also worked on,Olin came over for the re launch.
    Luke is well known for his West country type Pilot cutters which he builds on spec but always sells.He has a book coming out in The Autumn that should be interesting.Finally to add to the old boat scene here, Temptress Edward Allcard's old yawl is moored in the Harbour. Im now off for a sail.
    I remember Heptarchy sailing in the harbour of Falmouth. I think Crispin was sailing her alone and was very impressed by handling of that big boat. At that time Heptarchy was new and had a black hull and a big oiled or varnished rubbing strake. All the woodwork was varnished includind the spars. I remember Percy Dalton talking about that commision: 'oh Perce, I love Dyarchy's sheer', and Percy answering him: 'Allright, I'll give her bloody Dyarchy's sheer'. The lines are like Dyarchy's lines, typical for Laurent Giles, I think: Percy was not fond of tumblehome in the topsides, and he preferred lifted quarters. Also the verticals run from the deepest point in the middle of the hull parallel to the transom. He told me this in 1980 or so and I was doing an article about his boats for a Dutch magazine. 'Don't tell my little secret' he warned me. (About the verticals) so I did not untill now. I bought then the plans of a 22ft Falmouth Working Boat and when I returned later also other plans. Percy was a goldmine of information and I was sad when he passed away. He designed several boats for romantic types, mostly in ferrocement because that was all we could afford.
    Now I know better, having finally seen the light, and designed and built my lugrigged yawl 'Lucia' , and she still has a bit of the small Cornish craft. But I also see my 22ft boat sometimes, sailing with another owner . Frank van Zoest

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    Percy was not fond of tumblehome in the topsides and he preferred lifted quarters
    Revealing his good taste in relevant shapes of the kind. I agree with his sentiments.

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    I think the "trick" of Dyarchy's interior was that the two quarter berths and the forward sleeping cabin meant that nobody had to sleep in the saloon, and she had the galley and the navigatorium in the now customary place, just aft of amidships, where the motion is least.

    I prefer the Philip Rhodes solution with pilot berths and the chart table over the icebox with the heads in the now-usual place.

    Corista incidentally (and Mirelle until I rebuilt her) had the heads just off the companionway.
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