World Naked Bike Ride Day, missed it again

[LeeG]

oh well.

Next year

[B_B]

pics or it never happened, apparently...

[Phillip Allen]

Scot has his calender marked so he'll know when to lurk

[Paul Pless]

ewww. . . .

[Michael D. Storey]

world naked gardening day is just around the corner. Check google

[skuthorp]

It might have happened here but we've had a white-out fog so no one would have noticed.

[LeeG]

ewww. . . .

no kidding, try this instead

[stevebaby]

I have a Swallow on my road bike. Superbly comfortable.

[purri]

It might have happened here but we've had a white-out fog so no one would have noticed.

Not aroun' dese parts mon...

[seanz]

A whole bunch of bikes with their own bike racks........

[Bob Cleek]

no kidding, try this instead

I never knew bicycle seats came and "male" and "female."

[Mrleft8]

I was there.... You didn't miss much....... Errr...... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh..................Never mind......... Carry on.......

[LeeG]

I never knew bicycle seats came and "male" and "female."

you're never too old to learn something new. Next time you're in the company of a woman note the spacing of her ischial tuberosity. Or in the case of males the exterior genitalia. Not sure what you do in your circumstances.

[The Bigfella]

The pressure exerted by bicycle seats has been known to cause lots of problems with men.

[stevebaby]

The pressure exerted by bicycle seats has been known to cause lots of problems with men.

Myth, usually disseminated by those with funny shaped seats to sell.

[ccmanuals]

Bunch of dudes with their junk hanging out. That's not a picture you want in your head.

[Glen Longino]

Bunch of dudes with their junk hanging out. That's not a picture you want in your head.

My thoughts exactly!
Not only that, but they have helmets to protect their heads while their junk flies unprotected.
Skewed priorities, methinks!

[Gerarddm]

Well, hop a plane and come to Seattle for the Fremont Solistice Parade, nude bikers always in the van.

[Larks]

Myth, usually disseminated by those with funny shaped seats to sell.

Yawn..........is there anything that bloke has ever said that you haven't automatically disagreed with?

In fact, as an example, bicycle seats can exacerbate prostate problems.

[purri]

As medical studies have shown.

[stevebaby]

Bicycle saddles per se don't cause any problems, any more than shoes cause blisters. Poorly fitted and adjusted saddles (or shoes) can. What most leisure cyclists don't realise is that a bike should fit the rider, just like a pair of shoes. A correctly fitted saddle will not put pressure on the perineum. The weight is taken on the sit bones, not the perineum.
I had major surgery in that area a year ago. I was riding my bikes a couple of weeks after surgery in perfect comfort...because my bikes and saddles fit me perfectly, and I built them to fit me. My bike saddles were more comfortable for a while than any other form of seating. Most cyclists won't go to the expense or effort to do that. It's easier to blame an inanimate object.
I ride 250km. a week and I have 5 bikes. I've been riding for nearly 50 years.
What's your cycling experience Larksie?

[The Bigfella]

The pressure exerted by bicycle seats has been known to cause lots of problems with men.

Myth, usually disseminated by those with funny shaped seats to sell.

In another meta-analysis investigating perineal symptoms and cycling (62 articles), numbness of the genitalia was reported in 50%-91% of all cyclists, and erectile dysfunction was reported in 13%-24% of all cyclists.

In a study of perineal compression and blood flow to the penis in male cyclists, penile blood supply decreased significantly in 70% of the 40 cyclists who participated in the study. Numbness in the genital area was reported by 61% of the cyclists, and 19% of the cyclists who rode their bikes more than 250 miles per week complained of erectile dysfunction.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=84072

You really are starting to let a lot of errors slip in Steve.

[stevebaby]

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=84072

You really are starting to let a lot of errors slip in Steve.

That's obviously because their bikes and saddles don't fit them properly, not because they ride a bike.
Speaking of errors, how about your claim that motorcycles are safer than bicycles?

[The Bigfella]

That's obviously because their bikes and saddles don't fit them properly, not because they ride a bike.

Speaking of errors, how about your claim that motorcycles are safer than bicycles?

Gee, that's an easy one. Took all of 20 seconds on Google

Cycling rates are relatively low in Australia, but cyclists comprise about 1 in 40 traffic crash fatalities and about 1 in 7 serious

injuries.

http://www.cycle-helmets.com/cycling-blind-spot.pdf

[stevebaby]

Gee, that's an easy one. Took all of 20 seconds on Google

Cycling rates are relatively low in Australia, but cyclists comprise about 1 in 40 traffic crash fatalities and about 1 in 7 serious

injuries.

http://www.cycle-helmets.com/cycling-blind-spot.pdf

Cyclists killed (from your link):"In the six years between 2003 and 2008, traffic-related fatalities
for cyclists in Australia ranged between 26 and 43. On average
there were 36 deaths per year, representing 2.3% of all road deaths."

Motorcyclists killed:"Facts & Figures

About 224 motorcycle riders were killed in road crashes in Australia in 2009.

A much greater number of motorcyclists are seriously injured each year: in 2006–07, 7,303 riders were admitted to hospital as a result of a road crash."
http://www.nrsc.gov.au/motorcyclists/

[Larks]

Myth, usually disseminated by those with funny shaped seats to sell.

Can't see how you can claim it could possibly be a myth if you've had to go out make funny shaped seats to suit yourself. Not everyone can afford, or indeed would be aware of, any other seats than those that are available off the shelf or which come with your bike. Really Steve, you need to get over this infatuation with disagreeing with everything Ian says just for the sake of being contrary.

[stevebaby]

Can't see how you can claim it could possibly be a myth if you've had to go out make funny shaped seats to suit yourself. Not everyone can afford, or indeed would be aware of, any other seats than those that are available off the shelf or which come with your bike. Really Steve, you need to get over this infatuation with disagreeing with everything Ian says just for the sake of being contrary.

What? Where did I say I had to make a funny shaped seat to suit myself?
One of my saddles is the Brooks Swallow pictured above. I've ridden 300km. in a weekend on it without any problems.
All of our saddles are off the shelf.

[Larks]

What? Where did I say I had to make a funny shaped seat to suit myself?
One of my saddles is the Brooks Swallow pictured above. I've ridden 300km. in a weekend on it without any problems.
All of our saddles are off the shelf.

.

because my bikes and saddles fit me perfectly, and I built them to fit me. My bike saddles were more comfortable for a while than any other form of seating. Most cyclists won't go to the expense or effort to do that

How much for the Brooks Swallow seat? The first one that I found on the web was $350.00, which is more than the cost of my bike. How many people do you really think could afford to buy something like that for their bike?

Why exactly were you compelled to buy a seat like that yourself?

Seriously Steve, the original comment that you were compelled to dive on was simply that the pressure exerted by bike seats has been know to cause lots of problems with men. I statement that is patently true, how about being a little less arrogant for a change and concede that there is indeed truth in that simple statement rather than going to all of this effort to simply get one up on Ian?

[LeeG]

The pressure exerted by bicycle seats has been known to cause lots of problems with men.

some problems with some men and women. Also any bicycle seat can cause problems with some men and women. Some bicycle seats alleviate some problems just as change in posture/position can alleviate/exacerbate some problems. I'll dig into the study to see how the problem was defined.

"In a study called a meta-analysis (where many studies on the same subject are summarized), results of 35 studies conducted between 1981 and 2004 that examined the relationship between cycling and erectile dysfunction showed that the prevalence of moderate to severe erectile dysfunction in bicyclists was 4.2%
"
I'd call "moderate to severe dysfunction" "lots of problems" but don't think 4.2% reflects a significant portion of the population. What isn't shown in the article is the rate of frequency for problems in the other statistics. Did it occur once in X years of cycling or multiple times in a year. Kind of like hand numbness in cycling or motorcycling. Does it happen all the time or vary according to conditions?

[LeeG]

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How much for the Brooks Swallow seat? The first one that I found on the web was $350.00, which is more than the cost of my bike. How many people do you really think could afford to buy something like that for their bike?



Seriously Steve, the original comment that you were compelled to dive on was simply that the pressure exerted by bike seats has been know to cause lots of problems with men. I statement that is patently true,

I'll check with the study but as important is the correlation between conditioning and uninterrupted time on the saddle and "problems". If a rider simply sits in one position for hours on end and rarely gets out of the saddle it can cause problems compared to another cyclist who gets out of the saddle every few minutes for a few seconds.

[LeeG]

A correctly fitted saddle will not put pressure on the perineum. The weight is taken on the sit bones, not the perineum.

there's no way around it, saddles with some manner of cut-out reduce pressure on the perineum. Brooks makes cut out versions of their saddles to address that issue. No reason to get a rise from Pauls teasing. I tried breaking in leather saddles a few times and the discomfort just wasn't worth it compared to off the shelf saddles, that they work for some people doesn't apply to everyone.

[LeeG]

this is interesting:

"In a study of erectile dysfunction and bicycle characteristics, researchers determined that keeping handlebar height lower than saddle height in long-distance cyclists was associated with less erectile dysfunction"

Upright posture puts more vertical load on the saddle and less ability to get out of the saddle. Fatter people are more likely to have their seats lower than the handlebars. I'm fatter than I used to be with bars 1" lower than seat but when younger my bars were about 3" lower than seat. It's easy to ride off the saddle when stretched out and some weight on the bars, sitting upright your only technique for getting out of the saddle is standing up and slowing down the pedaling cadence.

"In a study of erectile dysfunction and bicycle characteristics, researchers determined that keeping handlebar height lower than saddle height in long-distance cyclists was associated with less erectile dysfunction"

"What can be done to prevent perineal symptoms?

1. Stand up frequently on the pedals to take pressure off the perineum. 2. Change your position on the saddle while biking. Shift forward and backward when you ride to eliminate pressure on just one part of the perineum. "

[The Bigfella]

Cyclists killed (from your link):"In the six years between 2003 and 2008, traffic-related fatalities
for cyclists in Australia ranged between 26 and 43. On average
there were 36 deaths per year, representing 2.3% of all road deaths."

Motorcyclists killed:"Facts & Figures

About 224 motorcycle riders were killed in road crashes in Australia in 2009.

A much greater number of motorcyclists are seriously injured each year: in 2006–07, 7,303 riders were admitted to hospital as a result of a road crash."
http://www.nrsc.gov.au/motorcyclists/

Deaths and injuries per kilometre ridden. Simple.... so you should be able to get it.

[Paul Pless]

dear god

[purri]

MW, for a short time in your life so far you have spoken some truth.

[Paul Pless]

Deaths and injuries per kilometre ridden.

Could you give that to us in hours of seat time? That'd be interesting.

[LeeG]

dear god

ahh, so you recognize the plea for relief, "Doc, it hurts when I do this..."

[Hwyl]

How did a thread that promised naked girls on bicycles, turn into a discussion of Antipodean dysfunction?

[Mrleft8]

How did a thread that promised naked girls on bicycles, turn into a discussion of Antipodean dysfunction?

Is this a serious question?

[Larks]

How did a thread that promised naked girls on bicycles, turn into a discussion of Antipodean dysfunction?

Hmm, seems a reasonably multinational discussion so far.....???????

[The Bigfella]

How did a thread that promised naked girls on bicycles, turn into a discussion of Antipodean dysfunction?

Is your Antipodean dysfunctioning?

[The Bigfella]

You are not seriously in doubt as to the cause of the problem are you?
I believe the term is "just a huge pain in the a*rse".

As for naked women on bicycles, no I don't think so!
There are a lot more fun things to do naked than ride a damn bicycle

Hello Sophie. How's things?

[BrianW]

I have a Swallow on my road bike. Superbly comfortable.

I'm thinking of marketing a bike seat for men called "Spits".

Then males will have a choice.

[Larks]

I'm thinking of marketing a bike seat for men called "Spits".

Then males will have a choice.

Just so wrong on so many levels....!

[BrianW]

Just so wrong on so many levels....!

Yeah. We'll see how long it lasts, when they start waking up in America.

[Shang]

[switters]

I didn't get invited either.

On saddles, it helps to look at how much time you spend on one. Before my crash I was averaging 4 hours a week every week of the year on the commuter bike and I also use that one for rec rides under 30 miles. Spending $125 on a brooks B-67 was a no brainer. The touring bike has a terry mens Y saddle, at only 300-400 miles I'm still not sure I like it, but it has been the best one so far. As SB alluded earlier, frame fit has a lot to do with comfort, and the old nishiki is close but not spot on for more than 40-50 miles a day with a break every hour. Probably because I have mountain bike bars on instead of the drop bars it came with originally.

[Ron Williamson]

How does a guy see where he's going when the bars are lowered that much?
I do alright on short bits, but any more than 10km and my neck is killing me.
The seat doesn't bother me at all....'course the trouble with numbness is that you can't feel it.
R

[stevebaby]

Deaths and injuries per kilometre ridden. Simple.... so you should be able to get it.

"In 2004, figures from the UK Department for Transport indicated that motorcycles have 16 times the rate of serious injuries per 100 million vehicle kilometers compared to cars, and double the rate of bicycles.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcy...e-DOT-UK2004-1

[The Bigfella]

What a joke... Stevie's had to travel to the other side of the world and delve back almost a decade to rake up something to support his view.