Any shotgun lovers here?

[Uncle Duke]

Here's a nice piece (but you can't have it!)


http://kaching.tumblr.com/post/24620...relled-shotgun

The three-barrelled ejector, 16-bore gun, with three triggers, was designed by renowned Edinburgh gun makers John Dickson & Son and is the only one of its kind

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

I've got an antique "Parker" that was my Grandfathers.
It's a cannon.
Knocked me down first time I fired it.

[Lew Barrett]

Nice gun but two are company, three a crowd.

[Donn]

I'm a "shotgun lover" but I'd only own something like that for investment purposes. It wouldn't be a shooter.

[LeeG]

I'm more into bleu cheese

[Phillip Allen]

I'm a "shotgun lover" but I'd only own something like that for investment purposes. It wouldn't be a shooter.

I like twice barreled shotguns but not thrice barreled shotguns

what Donn said

[botebum]

I do just fine with my 870 Express and it only cost me about $250 used in great condition.

Doug

[Lew Barrett]

I'm a "shotgun lover" but I'd only own something like that for investment purposes. It wouldn't be a shooter.

Fifty to sixty large gets you into the thick of things as far as investment grade British shotguns (or American for that matter) are concerned. For shooting, a Superposed is a great double, with good ones available for 4 or 5% of the price of this and if carefully maintained, they appreciate annually as well. And you can shoot them. I like mine and wouldn't hesitate to shoot some skeet with it.

Also, 16 gauge.....I wonder if that held the price down a bit.

[Phillip Allen]

Fifty to sixty large gets you into the thick of things as far as investment grade British shotguns (or American for that matter) are concerned. For shooting, a Superposed is a great double, with good ones available for 4 or 5% of the price of this and if carefully maintained, they appreciate annually as well. And you can shoot them. I like mine and wouldn't hesitate to shoot some skeet with it.

Also, 16 gauge.....I wonder if that held the price down a bit.

it's huge at 16 gage... 12 gage would be a lot worse

[purri]

Fifty to sixty large gets you into the thick of things as far as investment grade British shotguns (or American for that matter) are concerned.

I bought such a piece of consummate English workmanship abt 25 years back. Nice to own, nice to use.

[David G]

I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a shotgun lover. And those rumors about my Uncle's sheep are entirely overblown. And anyone who believe the story about the neighbor's sheepdog in 8th grade is simply beyond hope!

OK... it's true that I've used a shotgun a few times for hunting pheasant and grouse... but it was strictly a platonic situation.

[Draketail]

Somewhere in the books about classic British shotguns by either Michael McIntosh or Terry Wieland is the story of the triple shotgun. It was a developmental stage in the quest for more, rapid fire power. Only a few of the triples were built and field testing showed that a brace of doubles and a loader were faster and less unwieldy than the triple. Hence the penchant for a pair of matched guns. Most, if not all, of the few triples were built in 16 gage to keep the weight managable.

[Paul Pless]

For shooting, a Superposed is a great double, with good ones available for 4 or 5% of the price of this and if carefully maintained, they appreciate annually as well. And you can shoot them. I like mine and wouldn't hesitate to shoot some skeet with it.

I have the 'functional' equivalent in a Citori that's had thousands of shells run through it. Its my go to quail gun. . .

[Mrleft8]

Too bad about all the pitting......

[Phillip Allen]

I have the 'functional' equivalent in a Citori that's had thousands of shells run through it. Its my go to quail gun. . .

I always wanted to hunt quail... just never was available to me

[Nicholas Scheuer]

I'll bet those 3 barrels are HEAVY.

I was shopping for a used 870 Wingmaster but ended up with a virtually new Browning BPS. Not sure $250 for an 870 Express is a bargain. I got the BPS for only $100 more; cheap because it's engraved with somebody else's name.

[Uncle Duke]

Too bad about all the pitting......

Nah - fix that up quick with a belt sander....

[Lew Barrett]

I have the 'functional' equivalent in a Citori that's had thousands of shells run through it. Its my go to quail gun. . .

I had two Citoris, one a superlight with Browning's interchangeable chokes and the other a specialized one; BT99 (not really a Citori, but made in Japan) with 2 barrels for trap. That gun was mighty fine, very good singles gun. My Superposed is 30" S&S, round knob, long tang Pigeon grade. I will probably have it for the duration. Don't shoot skeet much any more, but it would also be fine for upland work. Very pretty, functional quality is a match for just about anything out there. I really wouldn't mind shooting a few rounds with it again; it is such a natural pointer......

Purri, what are you packing for $50K? H&H?

[Mrleft8]

I had two Citoris, one a superlight with Browning's interchangeable chokes and the other a specialized one; BT99 (not really a Citori, but made in Japan) with 2 barrels for trap. That gun was mighty fine, very good singles gun. My Superposed is 30" S&S, round knob, long tang Pigeon grade. I will probably have it for the duration. Don't shoot skeet much any more, but it would also be fine for upland work. Very pretty, functional quality is a match for just about anything out there. I really wouldn't mind shooting a few rounds with it again; it is such a natural pointer......

Purri, what are you packing for $50K? H&H?

Two!? Wow!......... Most guys don't even know what to do with one......

Oh...... Wait..... You said Citoris.....Never mind...........

[Phillip Allen]

careful, Doug

[Lew Barrett]

Two!? Wow!......... Most guys don't even know what to do with one......

Oh...... Wait..... You said Citoris.....Never mind...........

It takes a special mind to arrive at these places......And anyway, I've "had" more than two if we are speaking in Biblical terms.....

[Phillip Allen]

It takes a special mind to arrive at these places......And anyway, I've "had" more than two if we are speaking in Biblical terms.....

rephrase please (gender alteration or gender altercation?)

[Lew Barrett]

Gender interaction was what I had in mind. Oy, has this thread wandered.

[purri]

I had two Citoris, one a superlight with Browning's interchangeable chokes and the other a specialized one; BT99 (not really a Citori, but made in Japan) with 2 barrels for trap. That gun was mighty fine, very good singles gun. My Superposed is 30" S&S, round knob, long tang Pigeon grade. I will probably have it for the duration. Don't shoot skeet much any more, but it would also be fine for upland work. Very pretty, functional quality is a match for just about anything out there. I really wouldn't mind shooting a few rounds with it again; it is such a natural pointer......

Purri, what are you packing for $50K? H&H?

Nah, a cased and provenanced Frederick T Baker back action sidelock reproofed to nitro with Perkes patent ejectors and cocking mechanism. A Holland rep offered me UK 13K pounds for it back in 88. So given their mark up and market... and certainly much better than the run 'o the mill Hollands and Boss (some upper end models excepted). BTW I had some corro with historian David Baker on the matter.

And back to the OP. IIRC there have been a number made than the round action Dickson shown, more recently in Italy and covered in Abbiatico's "Modern Gun Engravings" and Marco E. Nobili's "Fucili d'Autore". (both a worthwhile purchase)

[Bob Smalser]

I love fine European doubles and own several. English, French and German. But when real money is on the line at a big PITA or ATA shoot, nothing beats our Winchester SX-1's, the finest competition gas guns ever made. With minor gunsmithing they shoot like .22's, forever postponing that flinch that requires a release trigger.



http://rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/55/lid/699

[Gerarddm]

Bob, I am nominating you to be the new Most Interesting Man In the World. You sure seem to know a knowledgable bit about a lot of subjects.

[purri]

Sez Bob posting a photo of the conundrum of technology attempting to overwhelm that of good (bespoke) design.

[Bob Smalser]

Sez Bob posting a photo of the conundrum of technology attempting to overwhelm that of good (bespoke) design.

Different tools for very different tasks.

Matched pairs of doubles custom-fitted (and initialed so they wouldn't get mixed up in the gun room) for driven pheasants or grouse shot relatively light loads for shorter ranges. Live Pigeon shooting and its offshoot, North American Trap, are shot at handicaps of 27 to 35 yards from the trap for the top competitors, and require heavy loads that would soon destroy both the typical bespoke English or French Double...and your shoulder. For serious competitors, those heavy loads times 2-400 shots per weekend times 25 weekends in the season capped by a week-long final add up to developing a serious flinch that keeps gunsmiths in business. Barrels as long as 34", refined "trap" chokes, various custom stocks and recoil reduction devices, special release triggers and 8-9lb guns built like tanks are the norm.



http://www.ljuticgun.com/

http://www.joeletchenguns.com/newljutic.htm

[Phillip Allen]

Different tools for very different tasks.

Matched pairs of doubles custom-fitted (and initialed so they wouldn't get mixed up in the gun room) for driven pheasants or grouse shot relatively light loads for shorter ranges. Live Pigeon shooting and its offshoot, North American Trap, are shot at handicaps of 27 to 35 yards from the trap for the top competitors, and require heavy loads that would soon destroy both the typical bespoke English or French Double...and your shoulder. For serious competitors, those heavy loads times 2-400 shots per weekend times 25 weekends in the season capped by a week-long final add up to developing a serious flinch that keeps gunsmiths in business. Barrels as long as 34", refined "trap" chokes, various custom stocks and recoil reduction devices, special release triggers and 8-9lb guns built like tanks are the norm.



http://www.ljuticgun.com/

http://www.joeletchenguns.com/newljutic.htm

not that much different than a costom made pool cue... hustlers are hustlers and the 'trap' business is full of them

[Paul Pless]

not that much different than a costom made pool cue... hustlers are hustlers and the 'trap' business is full of them

Say, ever been to a Turkey Shoot?!

[Nicholas Scheuer]

#28 reads like the shotgun version of a Wine Snob. "Taste the oak, anyone?"

[Donn]

Stu Welton and Ted Schlecht set an ATA one-day singles shoot-off record on May 25th, at the 2001 Idaho State Shoot. Six broke 100 straight in the program and by the sixth round of the shoot-off, only Welton and Schlecht remained. Ted missed his 623rd target while Stu posted another straight in this 25th and last round to end the shoot-off at 625-624.

[Paul Pless]

to end the shoot-off at 625-624.

that's crazy!

[Donn]

that's crazy!

That's why serious trap shooters use the type of gun Smalser describes. It isn't easy to shoot 25 rounds of 25 shots, in a single day, without missing a target.

[Phillip Allen]

Say, ever been to a Turkey Shoot?!

yep, it was child's play... I took two then left the field to the locals (that was so I could trade one to the neighbor for cooking the other for me)

[Bob Smalser]

...not that much different than a custom made pool cue... hustlers are hustlers and the 'trap' business is full of them

As hustlers can only cheat other hustlers, there should be no worries, eh?

The Super X Model One or SX-1. Made from 1974 to 1981 as a companion for the Model 12. A unique gas-operated design, built tough. All milled and jeweled steel. No stampings, no castings. Popular modern upgrades are a SS mag tube, a fresh buffer, a trigger job and a new bolt link available from Brownells or Nuline Guns. Carry a spare trigger assembly in case of emergencies and clean the gun occasionally, and it's as reliable as anything out there.

[purri]

Bob, ever shot any Euro style (gun down and unmounted) practical field?

[Bob Smalser]

Bob, ever shot any Euro style (gun down and unmounted) practical field?

Sure. In Europe and the US.

But rules change over time and what we used to shoot "low-gun" is now shot from the mount. Dunno why, as I prefer low-gun. We shoot International Trap with 15 machines in several locations in the US, Fort Benning having one of the largest. Seattle also has one. Targets are twice as difficult but you get two shots, using high-velocity loads with less shot weight. We also have winter "Olympic Trap" leagues, a game where International rules are applied to North American Trap fields. Faster, wilder targets and two shots. And, of course we have "Sporting Clays", except that's now shot from a mounted gun, taking much of the fun out by reducing the variables.

The trick to changing games in the middle of a season is shot velocity. You can load lighter shot weights for significant higher velocity so the leads and rythm are roughly the same for North American Trap and the faster International games.

The reason, of course, for the differences in the sport are that North American Trap was designed to be an every-man's sport requiring only one trap machine that could be shot using the typical field gun, which over here was more a waterfowl gun than a European "game" gun designed for driven birds. That's why the classic Parker, Fox, Baker and the like are mostly found with 28-30" barrels, full and modified chokes, and weigh 7-8lbs. The reason it remains so popular here and in Canada as opposed to International Trap, Sporting Clays or Skeet is that, like live pigeons, it's evolved into a money game, with big bucks on the line if you want to plunk down additional entry money to "Play the Options" as opposed to just pay your basic entry fee and shoot for trophies.

North American Trap is also a good starter for kids, as it's relatively easy to achieve success from the basic, 16-yard line.

[Phillip Allen]

Sure. In Europe and the US.

But rules change over time and what we used to shoot "low-gun" is now shot from the mount. Dunno why, as I prefer low-gun. We shoot International Trap with 15 machines in several locations in the US, Fort Benning having one of the largest. Seattle also has one. Targets are twice as difficult but you get two shots, using high-velocity loads with less shot weight. We also have winter "Olympic Trap" leagues, a game where International rules are applied to North American Trap fields. Faster, wilder targets and two shots. And, of course we have "Sporting Clays", except that's now shot from a mounted gun, taking much of the fun out by reducing the variables.

The trick to changing games in the middle of a season is shot velocity. You can load lighter shot weights for significant higher velocity so the leads and rythm are roughly the same for North American Trap and the faster International games.

The reason, of course, for the differences in the sport are that North American Trap was designed to be an every-man's sport requiring only one trap machine that could be shot using the typical field gun, which over here was more a waterfowl gun than a European "game" gun designed for driven birds. That's why the classic Parker, Fox, Baker and the like are mostly found with 28-30" barrels, full and modified chokes, and weigh 7-8lbs. The reason it remains so popular here and in Canada as opposed to International Trap, Sporting Clays or Skeet is that, like live pigeons, it's evolved into a money game, with big bucks on the line if you want to plunk down additional entry money to "Play the Options" as opposed to just pay your basic entry fee and shoot for trophies.

North American Trap is also a good starter for kids, as it's relatively easy to achieve success from the basic, 16-yard line.

that's what I meant by hustlers... hustlers need prey and the prey is the poor yokel who may very well be a good shot but not avaricious and therefore not cunning...I suspect if one could actually seperate the locals from the hustlers the hustlers would lose money and find a way to include the locals again. Sorry Blob, that's just the way I see it and I tend to be a purist

[David W Pratt]

Do shotgun lovers have shotgun weddings?

[Phillip Allen]

Do shotgun lovers have shotgun weddings?

ocassionally, yes, would be my best guess

[Paul Pless]

Bob, is trap and sporting clays your favorite 'shooting sport'? I enjoy them quite a bit. Beyond hunting they seem to be the only shooting sport with a relatively large contingent of women involved. Its way more social than other competition forms of shooting.

[Phillip Allen]

Bob, is trap and sporting clays your favorite 'shooting sport'? I enjoy them quite a bit. Beyond hunting they seem to be the only shooting sport with a relatively large contingent of women involved. Its way more social than other competition forms of shooting.

I doubt it is MORE social... my b lack powder stuff evnolves entire families traveling cross country to participate

[Paul Pless]

I have to admit I've never been to a cowboy shooting event, despite really liking the types of guns that are used.

[Phillip Allen]

I have to admit I've never been to a cowboy shooting event, despite really liking the types of guns that are used.

our opperative words are 'rendezvous' and 'buckskinner'... the cowboy stuff came after I got envolved with buckskinning (and ya kain't do em all)... rendezvous is how I met Moses, who showed up at a Western Rendezvous with his 'The last Mountain Men' movie

[Concordia 33]

Probably not too practical for say duck hunting, but I still think this is the coolest shotgun I've seen...

[Phillip Allen]

I have to admit I've never been to a cowboy shooting event, despite really liking the types of guns that are used.

I've not been either... nothing against them but the events are loaded up front with equipment requirements as I understand it

[purri]

ocassionally, yes, would be my best guess

but not if they're shooting blanks...

[The Bigfella]

Why the sights?

[Phillip Allen]

because each add-on is something else to charge for... follow the money

who do you think the marketing of that trash is 'aimed' at? squint your eyes a bit and you will be able to see cartoon 'transformers'