Obama's Commerce Secretary cited with double felonies.

[Paul Pless]

U.S. Secretary of Commerce John Bryson was cited with felony hit-and-run after causing with two car accidents within minutes of one another in Southern California, a police spokesman told CNN early Monday.

Seems like he was succumbing to some kind of illness that attacked his mental faculties. Police have ruled out drugs and alcohol.

But, I did find this part a bit humorous, after hitting the first car. . .

Bryson spoke with the males, then left the scene, hitting the same car again as he left,

Classic!

[Phillip Allen]

I wonder what this translates to? "There was no immediate indication that alcohol or drugs played a role in the collisions, the agencies said."
cynical replies are welcomed

[Ian McColgin]

Since Paul declined to post the whole story, I had to google a bit to find that Bryson hit one car twice and was found unconscious in his Lexus near by and right after that after he'd hit a second car. It is and should be under investigation, but the pattern of confusion and the complete lack of reason for any of the three hits makes it sound like a medical reason - stroke or something such - is the cause. We'll see. Meanwhile, the occupants in the first car have been treated for minor injuries and those in the second declined medical attention.

[Phillip Allen]

Since Paul declined to post the whole story, I had to google a bit to find that Bryson hit one car twice and was found unconscious in his Lexus near by and right after that after he'd hit a second car. It is and should be under investigation, but the pattern of confusion and the complete lack of reason for any of the three hits makes it sound like a medical reason - stroke or something such - is the cause. We'll see. Meanwhile, the occupants in the first car have been treated for minor injuries and those in the second declined medical attention.

so you say that lack of reason is not attributable to drugs or alcohol?

[David W Pratt]

Sounds like my BIL, Scott Powell, of Santa Fe
Google him, there is video of him shooting at a robo-speed cam.

[Paul Pless]

so you say that lack of reason is not attributable to drugs or alcohol?

He was tested for drugs and alcohol and there none found in his system.

[Phillip Allen]

Sounds like my BIL, Scott Powell, of Santa Fe
Google him, there is video of him shooting at a robo-speed cam.

maybe he wanted to check the velocity of his bullets?

[Ian McColgin]

Phillip, I read what you could read were you interested - the various news reports that pop up if you google Bryson's name, maybe add auto accident. It appears that the police have ruled out drugs and alcohol, which would be an easy thing to check since he was unconscious in the hospital and had to be treated there, which includes the regular tox screne. My thought is that we might get a better understanding of all this later in the day when Bryson's medical condition becomes more apparant.

[Phillip Allen]

Phillip, I read what you could read were you interested - the various news reports that pop up if you google Bryson's name, maybe add auto accident. It appears that the police have ruled out drugs and alcohol, which would be an easy thing to check since he was unconscious in the hospital and had to be treated there, which includes the regular tox screne. My thought is that we might get a better understanding of all this later in the day when Bryson's medical condition becomes more apparant.

don't get me wrong, I just noted the sentence I posted above. It's more a comment on the media than the sec of c. it being a butt coverning non statement IMO

[John Smith]

I'm not sure this thread has a point.

[Paul Pless]

I'm not sure this thread has a point.

and?

[Ian McColgin]

The point is that despite the more complete reporting in most sourses, Paul chose to post snippits implying that this was a straight-forward hit-and-run by an entitled Democrat fleeing the consequences of his egocentric behavior. And that could turn out to be the story but thus far it appears to be more of a medical story. We will see. Meanwhile, it's news because Bryson is an important person. That simple.

[Paul Pless]

The point is that despite the more complete reporting in most sourses, Paul chose to post snippits implying that this was a straight-forward hit-and-run by an entitled Democrat fleeing the consequences of his egocentric behavior. And that could turn out to be the story but thus far it appears to be more of a medical story. We will see. Meanwhile, it's news because Bryson is an important person. That simple.

Christ Ian. How hard was it to google Bryson to get the full story? I did include in my initial sysnopsis that it seemed no foul play or drugs or alcohol were evident.

[Phillip Allen]

Christ Ian. How hard was it to google Bryson to get the full story? I did include in my initial sysnopsis that it seemed no foul play or drugs or alcohol were evident.

he is leading the witless

[BrianW]

This judge rules the initial post as mild, and the defense as a bit overdone.

[Ian McColgin]

Paul, I did not write the thread title, which happens to be, as you know from all your googling since it's so easy, to be untrue. The authorities are considering whether there should be an arrest.

It's easy to speculate. Since the stories report a pre-existing medical condition, one's mind turns to possibilities like epilepsy. Epileptics I've known who drive obtain their license in one of two ways: The epilepsy is controlled and meets the medical standard for driving; or the driver has lied about most recent seizure. If the latter sort has an accident, he or she might have a medical reason for what otherwise would be a chargeable driving offense but still held liable for having falsified the health record. So, even with a medical reason for his collisions and behavior, Bryson might or might not still have a legal problem here. That's what the police are investigating before deciding whether or not to seek an arrest.

Meanwhile, the opening poster chose his thread title and unless his words mean nothing, unless he bears no responsibility for his choices, the meaning of making a factually untrue statement is pretty clear.

[Mrleft8]

Arrested?

[Keith Wilson]

The post was factual and quite reasonable: " . . . some kind of illness that attacked his mental faculties. Police have ruled out drugs and alcohol." The thread title was something I'd expect from somebody else; it bears very little connection to the story.

[L.W. Baxter]

Haters gonna hate!

[Paul Pless]

Haters gonna hate!

To be honest, I just found the emphasized part of my initial post to be humorous.

[Norman Bernstein]

This judge rules the initial post as mild, and the defense as a bit overdone.

I'd mostly concurr, although the thread title might reasonably be interpreted as giving anyone a reason to leap to a conclusion.

Anyhow, it clearly must have been Obama's fault

[Mrleft8]

Where does it say in any official statement that he was arrested?

[BA.Barcolounger]

Where does it say in any official statement that he was arrested?

It doesn't. It says "under investigation".

This has all the earmarks of a seizure, stroke, or diabetic shock driving incident.

[Shang]

Obama's Commerce Secretary arrested for double felonies

Your glee is showing.

[Mrleft8]

Seems like he was succumbing to some kind of illness that attacked his mental faculties. Police have ruled out drugs and alcohol.

But, I did find this part a bit humorous, after hitting the first car. . .



Classic!

You find anything in this humorous?

[Gerarddm]

Pless is actually a headline writer for the Star and National Enquirer​, clearly.

[Norman Bernstein]

Additional info:

WASHINGTON — Commerce Secretary John Bryson suffered a seizure in connection with two traffic accidents in the Los Angeles area that left him injured and unconscious, the government said Monday.

The Commerce Department said Bryson was taken to the hospital for examination and remained overnight for observation. He was released and returned to Washington, spokeswoman Jennifer Friedman said. The department says an investigation is ongoing.

A Commerce Department official said Bryson was on personal time and did not have any security detail at the time of the accidents. He was driving his own vehicle and was given medication to treat the seizure. Bryson was cited for a felony hit-and-run tied to two Los Angeles-area traffic crashes on Saturday, although he has not been formally charged.

[LeeG]

Cars, kids, old and fat people are dangerous. Gf is back to work after 18mo recovery from back injury and surgery responding to a call where a 320lb individual (in a car) hit an immovable object because they didn't know how to pull over calmly when a police cruiser comes up with lights and sirens. The 320lb human was fine, left the ER after 20minute examination but left gf with a world of pain.
Re. John Bryson, sounds like he had a stroke or some kind of medical problem. Hope he is ok.

[Bob Smalser]

Sounds like diabetes to me. I'd tread lightly.

[Concordia 33]

Seems like he was succumbing to some kind of illness that attacked his mental faculties. Police have ruled out drugs and alcohol.

But, I did find this part a bit humorous, after hitting the first car. . .



Classic!

I guess that is one way of invoking the HCA Commerce Clause.

[htom]

There are a pile of possible explanations, some -- not many -- of which might be actual excuses, especially for the first incident. The subsequent ones ... why did he continue to drive?

[johnw]

Reminds me a little of when Robert Novak hit a bicyclist and drove on because he didn't see the guy. A lot of people assumed he was lying, but it turned out to be a brain tumor. If it's a medical condition, I suspect we're going to need a new commerce secretary, and if it isn't, we're definitely going to need a new one.

[johnw]

Some insight from someone who's actually had seizures:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archive....php?ref=fpblg

I just wanted to put in my $0.02 on this topic, because it sounds like there’s a lot of confusion (no pun intended). Nothing in any of the statements put out so far is at all inconsistent with Bryson having had a seizure, and I speak as someone who’s had a lot of them.

I think people tend to only think of seizures as the convulsive grand mal (tonic-clonic) type, or sometimes petit mal (blacking out), which is not at all true. There is a huge range of different things that can happen when your brain screws up.

It’s entirely possible, in fact, that he wasn’t genuinely conscious when he talked to the people at the first accident and then drove off. I’ve had seizures when I “woke up” to find myself half-carrying on conversations with people while walking, and once got onto a bike during a seizure and rode for quite a distance before recovering and being suprised not to find myself in the house, where I last remembered being.

Also, very often the first part to go when a seizure starts is the part of your brain that lets you recognize when you’re incapacitated and the need for urgency, so even if you realize something is wrong you think you can make it just long enough to get to a safe spot…

[purri]

A Transient Ischaemic Event?

[Tom Montgomery]

*sigh*

However this incident turns out it is absolutely no reflection one way or the other on president Barack Obama.

[htom]

*sigh*

However this incident turns out it is absolutely no reflection one way or the other on president Barack Obama.

If the problem is an unknown medical condition, pretty much so (unless the condition wouldn't have been covered by the Obama-proposed changes in health care); but if the problem is bad behavior being covered up it says a lot about the mighty 0.

[Phillip Allen]

*sigh*

However this incident turns out it is absolutely no reflection one way or the other on president Barack Obama.

I, personally, do not believe that if the parties were reversed

[Lew Barrett]

Widely reported as a seizure, just as Norman posted. What conclusions can we draw from it?
1. Ripley thinks it is funny.
2. It is hard to tell what Phillip thinks.
3. The thread title does seem to indict before all the facts are in.

That's how this judge reads it.