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OPPS My BAD!.


LA Times Supports Planned Parenthood Partnership with Local School District

By Ryan Robertson | June 08, 2012 | 10:50
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A massive, notoriously scandal-ridden abortion provider is operating in Los Angeles high schools? What could go wrong?
Anna Gorman, writing for the Los Angeles Times on June 5, gave a glowing report of a highly controversial move: the nation’s largest abortion provider has been put in charge of a public high school’s health care.
Unsurprisingly, Gorman ignored the recent controversies concerning Planned Parenthood. Videos showing Planned Parenthood’s willingness to allow sex-selection abortion and state revocations of funding failed to appear in the report.
School nurses such as Sherry Medrano of Roosevelt High School, dispense ‘free’ birth control products, pregnancy tests, and administer STD screenings. Even emergency contraception like the Plan B ‘Morning-After’ Pill is now available to adolescents.
Gorman ignored the fact that the apparent elimination of consequences of teenage sexual activity promotes reckless behavior. Nor did she reflect on the fact that a group that encourages sexual behavior may not be the best provider of reproductive health care. Abstinence was never once mentioned as an alternative.
Gorman interviewed Planned Parenthood Executive Director Sue Dunlap, who claimed she has never dealt with a problem regarding confidentiality. "We really don't experience the traditional narrative of angry parents not wanting access to reproductive care in the schools," she said. "It's really the opposite."
Impressionable high school students are conditioned to trivialize morality and sexuality at a young age by Planned Parenthood. Gorman refused to recognize any negative aspects of the collaboration in her report; neither does anyone she talks to in the piece.
Abortion is big business. A large portion of Planned Parenthood’s revenue is generated from tax revenue. According to an American Life League report, the organization received more than $2 billion in federal grants and contracts between 2002 and 2008.The service it provides the public school system is also funded in large part by a taxpayer funded organization.
That being said, it’s hardly a surprise that a publication like the Los Angeles Times would publish an article praising Planned Parenthood, while ignoring any negative information. The story was shocking enough to warrant a link to the Drudge Report.

[Bob Cleek]

The greatest evil posed by Planned Parenthood isn't its handing out rubbers to high school kids, but its foundational eugenic agenda. Their real mission, consciously funded by the goverment, is preventing what they see as the underclass from procreating: "The fewer poor children born, the better off we all will be."

"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

The purpose in promoting birth control is "to create a race of thoroughbreds." Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921, p. 2

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

[Tom Montgomery]

[ljb5]

Margaret Sanger died fifty years ago.

The modern Planned Parenthood has no more relation to her than Volkswagen has to Hitler.

[Dan McCosh]

Margaret Sanger died fifty years ago.

The modern Planned Parenthood has no more relation to her than Volkswagen has to Hitler.

Volkswagen maintains a museum that documents its use of slave labor in WWII, acknowledging its relationship to Adolph Hitler. Photos and everything. You can even visit a cell where the workers slept at night.

[David W Pratt]

Actually, they are willing to offer sex selective abortions.
I'm not sure sexism is more noble than racism.

[Tom Montgomery]

Abortion is legal in the USA. How would anyone know why a woman chooses an abortion if she refuses to disclose her reasons?

A woman may opt for an abortion during her first trimester because she is eccentrically superstitious and does not want to give birth to any child in the month of January. Of course, no one need know that this is her motivation if she decides to keep it to herself.

It is more accurate to say that Planned Parenthood supports women's abortion rights regardless of the individual's reasons for choosing the procedure.

[Phillip Allen]

Volkswagen maintains a museum that documents its use of slave labor in WWII, acknowledging its relationship to Adolph Hitler. Photos and everything. You can even visit a cell where the workers slept at night.

he always admits mistakes
crikets...

[Tom Montgomery]

Does Mitsubishi have a similar museum documenting their contribution to Japanese military aggression in the first half of the twentieth century?

Oh boy, I'm imagining all the European and Asian corporations we could pillory!

[ron ll]

I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out which, if any, of these posts are serious. Of course with Monte Python it's pretty easy to tell. Thanks for posting that Tom, I hadn't seen it before.

[Dan McCosh]

Does Mitsubishi have a similar museum documenting their contribution to Japanese military aggression in the first half of the twentieth century?

Oh boy, I'm imagining all the European and Asian corporations we could pillory!

Mitsubishi had a diorama in its corporate headquarters that includes a photo of the task force it built, en route to Pearl Harbor. Or at least it did when I saw it in the late 1970s. It was covered up with a sheet, but I peeked. The VW museum was built and staffed in response to a rash of public criticism that they were unwilling to address their role in WWII. I actually think it was an admirable gesture.

[Tom Montgomery]

The VW museum was built and staffed in response to a rash of public criticism that they were unwilling to address their role in WWII. I actually think it was an admirable gesture.

+1

[Bob Cleek]

Margaret Sanger died fifty years ago.

The modern Planned Parenthood has no more relation to her than Volkswagen has to Hitler.

I don't think Volkswager has for years lobbied the US Postal Service to issue a commemorative stamp with Hitler's picture on it, nor does Volkswagen annually hand out "The Adolph Hitler Award." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger_Awards

Research proves that even today, Planned Parenthood overwhelmingly, if not exclusively, directs its service efforts to Black and Hispanic communities. http://www.lifenews.com/wp-content/u...cialReport.pdf

Wise up and think critically. Racisim and classism is what Planned Parenthood is all about today, just as it was when Sanger founded it. They've just toned down their rhetoric so people will drink their Kool Aid.

[Dan McCosh]

I don't think Volkswager has for years lobbied the US Postal Service to issue a commemorative stamp with Hitler's picture on it, nor does Volkswagen hand out an annual award named after Hitler.

Ferdinand Porsche was in prison as a war criminal when his son launched the Porsche 356. He was one of the chief designers of Nazi war machines, including the V1 rockets. He has been honored numerous times since.

[Tom Montgomery]

I don't think Volkswager has for years lobbied the US Postal Service to issue a commemorative stamp with Hitler's picture on it, nor does Volkswagen annually hand out "The Adolph Hitler Award." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger_Awards

Research proves that even today, Planned Parenthood overwhelmingly, if not exclusively, directs its service efforts to Black and Hispanic communities. http://www.lifenews.com/wp-content/u...cialReport.pdf

Could we not just as accurately and more charitably say that Planned Parenthood directs its sevices largely at poor neighborhoods? Why is that nefarious?

I agree that Margaret Sanger held some ugly opinions and attitudes. So did Henry Ford. I'll bet his mug has appeared on a postage stamp.

[ljb5]

he always admits mistakes
crikets...

What mistake?

I was the one that pointed out the historical association between Hitler and Volkswagen. That's not a mistake. It's simple history.

The fact that Volkswagen has long since moved past that association just proves my point. The museum is a nice gesture, but the museum alone is not why people no longer associate the two. People forgave Volkswagen many years ago... not because of the musuem, but becaue they realized the company had moved on.

[Tom Montgomery]

Easy ljb5....

Just when I think Phillip Allen has shaken his obsession with you, you poke him with a stick.

[Phillip Allen]

What mistake?

I was the one that pointed out the historical association between Hitler and Volkswagen. That's not a mistake. It's simple history.

The fact that Volkswagen has long since moved past that association just proves my point. The museum is a nice gesture, but the museum alone is not why people no longer associate the two. People forgave Volkswagen many years ago... not because of the musuem, but becaue they realized the company had moved on.

you said VW had no connection to HItler... "The modern Planned Parenthood has no more relation to her than Volkswagen has to Hitler."

nuff said... busted... let the squirming begin

[Tom Montgomery]

Phillip Allen: You are wrong.

Work on reading comprehension and logic.

[ljb5]

Research proves that even today, Planned Parenthood overwhelmingly, if not exclusively, directs its service efforts to Black and Hispanic communities.

So... do you think that White women don't use birth control.... or do you suppose maybe they have access through different channels?

Maybe you should ask your sister or your daughter or some other white woman before you answer. You might be surprised.

In all probability, all the women you know use birth control and few, if any discussed it with you.

It's funny how many men get squeamish in the "feminine products" aisle of the supermarket --- yet feel so strongly about expressing their opinions on birth control. I think you need to get used to the idea that there's a whole world of women's health issues that is largely hidden from you. You don't know who is on birth control, who has had abortions, where White women go for birth control, etc.

[McMike]

The greatest evil posed by Planned Parenthood isn't its handing out rubbers to high school kids, but its foundational eugenic agenda. Their real mission, consciously funded by the goverment, is preventing what they see as the underclass from procreating: "The fewer poor children born, the better off we all will be."

"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

The purpose in promoting birth control is "to create a race of thoroughbreds." Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921, p. 2

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

Are not 16 year olds unfit? Are not those who can barely feed themselves unfit? Are not those who don't have the where-with-all to feed a cat or treat a dog humanly unfit? I don't care what color or creed you are but bringing a child up in poverty and neglect is morally wrong and should be discouraged.

[Tom Montgomery]

Phillip Allen: ljb5 did not say VW had no connection to Hitler.

ljb5 posted, "The modern Planned Parenthood has no more relation to her [Sanger] than Volkswagen has to Hitler." That has a different meaning.

If you want to mix it up with adults you need to elevate your game.

[wardd]

you said VW had no connection to HItler... "The modern Planned Parenthood has no more relation to her than Volkswagen has to Hitler."

nuff said... busted... let the squirming begin

"has"

[ljb5]

I don't think Volkswager has for years lobbied the US Postal Service to issue a commemorative stamp with Hitler's picture on it, nor does Volkswagen annually hand out "The Adolph Hitler Award."

Perhaps not.... but I know where to find a statue of Jefferson Davis and an award given in his honor.

His best ideas were every bit as awful as Sanger's worst ideas.

Let's all sit back and watch Phillip turn purple.

[skuthorp]

Troll, or maybe quite a few of them........... maybe we could have section entitled ''TROLL" and keep them all tidily together.

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

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OPPS My BAD!.


LA Times Supports Planned Parenthood Partnership with Local School District

By Ryan Robertson | June 08, 2012 | 10:50
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A massive, notoriously scandal-ridden abortion provider is operating in Los Angeles high schools? What could go wrong?
Anna Gorman, writing for the Los Angeles Times on June 5, gave a glowing report of a highly controversial move: the nation’s largest abortion provider has been put in charge of a public high school’s health care.
Unsurprisingly, Gorman ignored the recent controversies concerning Planned Parenthood. Videos showing Planned Parenthood’s willingness to allow sex-selection abortion and state revocations of funding failed to appear in the report.
School nurses such as Sherry Medrano of Roosevelt High School, dispense ‘free’ birth control products, pregnancy tests, and administer STD screenings. Even emergency contraception like the Plan B ‘Morning-After’ Pill is now available to adolescents.
Gorman ignored the fact that the apparent elimination of consequences of teenage sexual activity promotes reckless behavior. Nor did she reflect on the fact that a group that encourages sexual behavior may not be the best provider of reproductive health care. Abstinence was never once mentioned as an alternative.
Gorman interviewed Planned Parenthood Executive Director Sue Dunlap, who claimed she has never dealt with a problem regarding confidentiality. "We really don't experience the traditional narrative of angry parents not wanting access to reproductive care in the schools," she said. "It's really the opposite."
Impressionable high school students are conditioned to trivialize morality and sexuality at a young age by Planned Parenthood. Gorman refused to recognize any negative aspects of the collaboration in her report; neither does anyone she talks to in the piece.
Abortion is big business. A large portion of Planned Parenthood’s revenue is generated from tax revenue. According to an American Life League report, the organization received more than $2 billion in federal grants and contracts between 2002 and 2008.The service it provides the public school system is also funded in large part by a taxpayer funded organization.
That being said, it’s hardly a surprise that a publication like the Los Angeles Times would publish an article praising Planned Parenthood, while ignoring any negative information. The story was shocking enough to warrant a link to the Drudge Report.

You sup at a rather poisonous trough, krajan!

[Tom Montgomery]

Perhaps not.... but I know where to find a statue of Jefferson Davis and an award given in his honor.

His best ideas were every bit as awful as Sanger's worst ideas.

No fair!

[Keith Wilson]

. . . its foundational eugenic agenda. Their real mission, consciously funded by the goverment, is preventing what they see as the underclass from procreating: "The fewer poor children born, the better off we all will be."

Bob, you are neither an ideologue nor a fool, and how you can possibly believe this flaming tinfoil-hat nonsense is quite beyond me. In 1921, eugenics was a perfectly respectable mainstream idea, supported both by many on both the right and left. You will remember that all kinds of birth control were illegal in most states in the early 20th century. Ms Sanger used eugenic arguments popular at the time to reduce resistance to the idea of women controlling their own fertility. Eugenics was a minor part of her argument, and Planned Parenthood long ago completely abandoned it. I have known a lot of people who worked for Planned Parenthood over the years, and not a single one of them has the slightest use for the ideas you imagine are behind the organization.

[Sam F]

Bob, you are neither an ideologue nor a fool, and how you can possibly believe this flaming tinfoil-hat nonsense is quite beyond me. In 1921, eugenics was a perfectly respectable mainstream idea, supported both by many on both the right and left...

True. But how does that help and organization that continues such policies.
Not a bit.

[Glen Longino]

Bob, you are neither an ideologue nor a fool, and how you can possibly believe this flaming tinfoil-hat nonsense is quite beyond me. In 1921, eugenics was a perfectly respectable mainstream idea, supported both by many on both the right and left. You will remember that all kinds of birth control were illegal in most states in the early 20th century. Ms Sanger used eugenic arguments popular at the time to reduce resistance to the idea of women controlling their own fertility. Eugenics was a minor part of her argument, and Planned Parenthood long ago completely abandoned it. I have know a lot of people who worked for Planned Parenthood over the years, an not a single one of them has the slightest use for the ideas you imagine are behind the organization.

Bob does not believe eugenics are a modern issue any more than Sam F does!
Bob and Sam only want All Of Us to believe it!

[Keith Wilson]

. . . an organization that continues such policies.

Sorry, Sam, that's simply not true. Eugenics forms no part of Planned Parenthood's mission, overt, covert, or in any other way. They give people the opportunity to make their own choices. One may reasonably disagree with what they actually do, but spreading lies is wrong.

[LeeG]

hey Bobbys, care to contribute some of your own thoughts to the matter or do you wish to simply post idiotic subject lines with unrelated c&p?

[Glen Longino]

hey Bobbys, care to contribute some of your own thoughts to the matter or do you wish to simply post idiotic subject lines with unrelated c&p?

Ooooh, I know the answer!
bobbys wishes to "simply post idiotic subject lines with unrelated c&p"!

[LeeG]

cool

http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_...ss-to-act?lite


By Allison Linn
Americans are worried about the nation’s energy problems and take some personal responsibility for them, but they don’t necessarily feel like they have the ability to make major changes soon to address them.
That’s according to a new survey from the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which was conducted earlier this year and released Thursday.
The survey found that 78 percent of Americans say energy issues are extremely or very important and 72 percent feel that way about gas prices.
Still, they place even more importance the economy, education and health care. And when it comes to finding solutions, they are looking to the energy industry and the government.

[LeeG]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-calls-1-.html


Japan’s Cabinet is poised to approve a bill giving sovereign guarantees for the nation’s oil tankers loading Iranian crude, potentially undermining Western sanctions targeting the Persian Gulf nation’s nuclear program.
The government plans to provide as much as $7.6 billion so that ship owners and petroleum refiners can maintain insurance when hauling crude from Iran, according to two government officials with direct knowledge of the law, who declined to be identified before the Cabinet gives consent to the legislation as soon as tomorrow. The bill will be submitted to the Diet, or national parliament, after the Cabinet endorses it, they said.

[Nicholas Scheuer]

And what, pray tell, was Volkswagen manufacturing with "slave labor?

[Sam F]

Sorry, Sam, that's simply not true. Eugenics forms no part of Planned Parenthood's mission, overt, covert, or in any other way.

Sorry won't work. 92% of Down's syndrome babies are aborted in the US. If that isn't Eugenics, what is?

They give people the opportunity to make their own choices.

Absolutely! And you just demolished your argument since people often chose to abort less-than-perfect babies.

One may reasonably disagree with what they actually do, but spreading lies is wrong.

Spreading lies is wrong & I won't spread any. Also wrong is aborting Down's syndrome babies and so is genderecide



There it is plain as the nose on your face... Once again the fine young folk at LiveAction have caught Planned Parenthood in the act.

So tell me Keith, given PP's proven collaboration with sex trafficking & underage prostitution, shielding rapists, and now gendercide, what else is it going to take to convince you?

[wardd]

And what, pray tell, was Volkswagen manufacturing with "slave labor?

vw made a jeep like vehicle for one

[Sam F]

Bob does not believe eugenics are a modern issue any more than Sam F does!

You are mistaken. There is nothing more modern than Eugenics.

[wardd]

You are mistaken. There is nothing more modern than Eugenics.

and phrenology

[bobbys]

hey Bobbys, care to contribute some of your own thoughts to the matter or do you wish to simply post idiotic subject lines with unrelated c&p?

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I once had a VW but it was a 6 volt and the heater hardly worked..

[Bob Cleek]

So... do you think that White women don't use birth control.... or do you suppose maybe they have access through different channels?

Maybe you should ask your sister or your daughter or some other white woman before you answer. You might be surprised.

In all probability, all the women you know use birth control and few, if any discussed it with you.

It's funny how many men get squeamish in the "feminine products" aisle of the supermarket --- yet feel so strongly about expressing their opinions on birth control. I think you need to get used to the idea that there's a whole world of women's health issues that is largely hidden from you. You don't know who is on birth control, who has had abortions, where White women go for birth control, etc.

WTF does all that have to do with the price of eggs in China? My beef with PP doesn't have anything to do with birth control. It has to do with their racist eugenic agenda, which they have had since their founding and which, now, they conceal with "spin."

Their efforts are directed to Black and Hispanic women. Not "the poor" in general. Black and Hispanic poor.

Read the statistics.

[Bob Cleek]

Are not 16 year olds unfit? Are not those who can barely feed themselves unfit? Are not those who don't have the where-with-all to feed a cat or treat a dog humanly unfit? I don't care what color or creed you are but bringing a child up in poverty and neglect is morally wrong and should be discouraged.

So, put another way, you're telling poor people their having kids is morally wrong and you think they shouldn't do it?

You just try standing on the corner in a poor neighborhood and telling that to everybody you see with a kid. I'm figuring you'd be unconscious in less than five minutes.

Can you understand why they would feel that way?

[Bob Cleek]

Bob, you are neither an ideologue nor a fool, and how you can possibly believe this flaming tinfoil-hat nonsense is quite beyond me. In 1921, eugenics was a perfectly respectable mainstream idea, supported both by many on both the right and left. You will remember that all kinds of birth control were illegal in most states in the early 20th century. Ms Sanger used eugenic arguments popular at the time to reduce resistance to the idea of women controlling their own fertility. Eugenics was a minor part of her argument, and Planned Parenthood long ago completely abandoned it. I have known a lot of people who worked for Planned Parenthood over the years, and not a single one of them has the slightest use for the ideas you imagine are behind the organization.

Saying PP has a eugenic agenda because of Sanger's statements ninety-five years ago is like saying the LDS Church today has a poligamistic agenda.

I'm saying PP has a eugenic agenda today because of what they say and what they do. Look at the statistics.
Look at what the thinkers in the Black and Hispanic communities have to say about it. Look at what more and more feminist organizations are realizing. They don't think PP is doing them a favor!

[LeeG]

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I once had a VW but it was a 6 volt and the heater hardly worked..

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articl...i-Oil-Problem/

Saudi Arabia exports about 8 million barrels per day ('mbpd' from now on), with Russia not too far behind at about 7 mbpd.

So far, this is all fairly familiar data. However, what is not well known is the degree to which Saudi Arabia’s massive oil exports are threatened by its demographics and a probable decline in its aging supergiant oil fields.

A new report from the U.K.’s Chatham House (PDF) examines this problem in detail. They conclude that Saudi Arabia’s oil exports will peak around 2020 and, under current policies, decline to zero by 2038. You read that right: decline to zero. This decline will occur due to the dramatic growth in consumption by Saudi Arabia’s rapidly growing population and increases in per capita energy consumption. Saudi domestic consumption of oil is growing at about 7 percent per year, which leads to a doubling of consumption in just ten years.

[LeeG]

http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com...es.php?ref=fpb


A government-funded laboratory that helped pioneer the battery technology behind many electric vehicles, including the Chevy Volt, has recently begun to focus on developing technologies to improve natural gas-powered vehicles, in anticipation of government and industry soon seeking to bring consumer-friendly natural gas cars to market.

“Our conclusion is that natural gas as a transportation fuel has both adequate abundance and cost advantages that make a strong case to focus interest in the technology as a real game changer in US energy security,” said Mike Duoba, an engineer at the auto research center at Argonne National Laboratory near Chicago, Illinois.

“In terms of consumer ownership and use costs, the case to make a switch from current fuels to CNG is much more compelling than for other alternative fuels like ethanol and electricity,” he added.

[ljb5]

Their efforts are directed to Black and Hispanic women. Not "the poor" in general. Black and Hispanic poor.

So, are you saying that Blacks and Hispanics should not have access to birth control?

Or are you saying that they should have access, but only through the same channels generally used by white women?

It seems to me that the issue you are missing is the voluntary nature of their services. They only provide services to people who seek them out; this implies, rather strongly that these services are in demand and viewed as favorable by the people who receive them.

[ljb5]

Saying PP has a eugenic agenda because of Sanger's statements ninety-five years ago is like saying the LDS Church today has a poligamistic agenda.

I'm saying PP has a eugenic agenda today because of what they say and what they do. Look at the statistics.

Maybe you shouldn't have started out with a collection of quotes from Sanger 95 years ago. That kinda created the appearance that you were focusing on Sanger's statements.

I looked at the so-called "statistics" you presented from that propaganda piece.

There are some obvious problems with it: (1) No effort is made to account for the economics of the various zip codes they study. They present the (approximate) ethnic breakdown of the zip code, but without economic information, it is impossible to tell if the clinics are placed there for racial reasons or economic reasons. In economics, it is standard practice to present multiple factors.

(2) There is no consideration of other sources of birth control. As we already discussed, White women do have access to birth control. Perhaps Planned Parenthood places their clinics in minority communities not to target minorities, but rather to bring the availability of services up to (or closer to) what is available to White women. Without even a consideration of this factor, the analysis is garbage.

(3) There's an even more basic problem with the statistics. In any random sampling, you would expect about about half the samples to be above average for one statistic. (This should be self-evident from the definition of "average.") If you're looking at two independent parameters simultaneously (% African American AND % Hispanic), the likelihood that one or the other is above average is nearer to 75%. So when they say, "Texas which has 94 Zip codes with at least one population control facility. Of those, only 22 are not disproportionately black and/or Hispanic".... they're pretty much saying that's exactly what you would expect from random (not racially targeted) selection.

Of course, I cannot say for certain that these two parameters are independent variables..... but I know for damn sure the authors of this "study" made no attempt to even consider that issue.


Also... .since you encouraged me to look at the statistics, I did. Earlier, you suggested that Planned Parenthood directs their services almost exclusively to minorities communities. Even by the statistics you presented, that is clearly not true.

Looking at Colorado, for example, 17 of the 23 clinics are located in zip codes where the percent of minorities is under (and in some cases way under) the state average.

That proves your claim false.

You going to give up now, or keep fighting? You will never, ever, be better at this than I am. And the longer you rely on flimsy propaganda pieces for your information, the worse you will get.

[Keith Wilson]

I'm saying PP has a eugenic agenda today because of what they say and what they do. Look at the statistics.

I know what they say and and what they do far better than you do, and from personal experience, not reading. What do they say (not what other people say about them)? What statistics? Ljb did an excellent job of demolishing the ones you referenced. I'm sorry, Bob, but it's a lie, pure and simple. They have no eugenics agenda. You may disagree with their position on abortion, you may disagree with their position on birth control, and on many other things; that's your right - but spreading lies is wrong.

Sam, providing people the opportunity to have an abortion if they wish is not a 'eugenics agenda' . Yes, many people decide to abort a fetus with Down's syndrome. I might do it myself. This does not mean the organization is trying to convince them to do it. Blame the parents if you like, but you don't have to raise the child.

The 'fine folk' at Live Action are despicable liars and cheats. You want to show a picture of the guy in the pimp suit? Again, object to abortions if you like, but lies in the service of a cause you believe to be good are are still lies.

[ljb5]

What statistics? Ljb did an excellent job of demolishing the ones you referenced. I'm sorry, Bob, but it's a lie, pure and simple.

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Other factors that are missing from that so-called "statistical analysis:

(1) Property values (One would hardly expect a non-profit clinic to open a branch on Rodeo Drive, would they?)
(2) Population density. (Neither should we expect Planned Parenthood to open a clinic to serve the needs of the one resident of Vermont, 05141)
(3) Percent of population between the ages of 18 and 40. (Or thereabouts).

I think it's very likely that these three factors influence Planned Parenthood site selection and that they correlate, at least somewhat with %minority population. Any competent statistical analysis would correct for these -- or, at the very least, mention them.

Besides the lack of statistical rigor, the entire methodology is patently ridiculous. Check out, for example, Ohio Zip 45044. This area has a black population of 11.6%, slightly higher than the state-wide average of 11.5%. The Hispanic population is 1.1% ... about half of the state-wide average.

This zip code is therefore about 87.3% White (ignoring other races)... which actually makes it slightly Whiter than the state-wide average of 86.6%. Yet, because of that extra 0.1% black population, this study claims that specific clinic is located there for racist reasons.

Think about that for a second: 87.3% of the area is White, it's whiter than average -- and yet still, they claim they're targeting minorities!

Bob, do you have any explanation for the shoddiness of this "study" or how and why you were taken in by it??