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    Default It might not be a foregone conclusion....

    ...that SCOTUS will knock down ObamaCare, either partially, or fully:

    Supreme Court Could Surprise on Health Care

    Bloomberg: "As the Supreme Court weighs the challenge to the 2010 health-care overhaul, there's a cautionary tale for those who may have found hope in the way the justices picked apart the government's arguments defending the law... In 2009, the justices were equally as picky in questioning government lawyers in arguments of an appeal of the 1965 Voting Rights Act -- and left the law intact in an 8-1 ruling."
    I wouldn't bet the farm on it, by any means... but you never know.
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    Default Re: It might not be a foregone conclusion....

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    ...that SCOTUS will knock down ObamaCare, either partially, or fully:



    I wouldn't bet the farm on it, by any means... but you never know.
    You are absolutely right on this. We all want to read the Tea Leaves to discern how they will vote, and we all know their political/constitutional leanings, but none of that can translate into an absolute prediction. Moreover, SCOTUS is sensitive to political sentiment and can be influenced partially by the political winds - many feel that this is what happened during the New Deal. If I had to bet, I would put my money on the them Throwing out the individual mandate, but possibly seeing it as severable from the legislation as a whole. I have sometimes heard it said in law that if everyone is unhappy with the decision then it must be the right decision. I would personally prefer that the whole thing gets thrown out.

    We should know soon
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    Default Re: It might not be a foregone conclusion....

    I notice we are being flooded with Catholic threads, Evolution threads and such to distract from Wisconsin.

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    Default Re: It might not be a foregone conclusion....

    And this from NYT/CBS

    A new CBS News/New York Times poll reveals that nearly seven in ten Americans want the Supreme Court to overturn either all or President Obama's health care law or strike down just the individual mandate.In the poll released on Thursday, 41 percent of those polled think Mr. Obama's health care law should be overturned completely by the Supreme Court, with another 27 percent of respondents saying they want the court to keep the law but overturn the mandate.Nearly one-quarter - twenty-four percent - of respondents want the entire law upheld. The margin of error is three percentage points.The percentage that wants to see the entire law abolished is up slightly since April, when 37 percent said they wanted the court to overturn the full law, 29 percent said only the mandate should be overturned and 23 percent wanted the whole law upheld.As the Supreme Court decision on the health care law is expected this month, the new poll shows that Republicans are much more likely to want the entire law overturned than Democrats, with 67 percent wanting the law to be overturned compared to 20 percent of Democrats. While 42 percent of Democrats say they want the entire law to be upheld, 42 percent of Independent respondents say they want the Supreme Court to overturn the whole law. Tea Party supporters are especially likely to want the entire law to be overturned -- 70 percent support that.
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    Default Re: It might not be a foregone conclusion....

    Quote Originally Posted by Concordia 33 View Post
    And this from NYT/CBS
    Why doesn't anything add to 100%? Also--how can 68% want to keep the law, if 67% don't want to?

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    Default Re: It might not be a foregone conclusion....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    Why doesn't anything add to 100%? Also--how can 68% want to keep the law, if 67% don't want to?
    The 'All' column comes close to 100%; we don't know what the relative sizes of Rep/Dem/Ind populations are, so, the statistics are sitting there just waiting to be used for, um, partisan purposes (as usual).

    For example, does the 42% of Dems who want to keep the entire law = (in terms of # of people) the 42% of Inds who want to overturn the entire law?

    Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    I notice we are being flooded with Catholic threads, Evolution threads and such to distract from Wisconsin.
    I notice you are flooded with beans, prunes, and BS!LMAO

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    Default Re: It might not be a foregone conclusion....

    Originally Posted by bobbys

    I notice we are being flooded with Catholic threads, Evolution threads and such to distract from Wisconsin.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Longino View Post
    I notice you are flooded with beans, prunes, and BS!LMAO
    It's just that the usual thread starters don't want to talk about drone attacks, kill lists, high level security leaks, or having your campaign people in the room while the kill lists are being drawn up (Axelrod).............or Wisconsin........ I wonder how many Republicans are on the kill list?

    We could talk about the spin being put on green jobs, and the unemployment numbers.

    regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waddie View Post
    It's just that the usual thread starters don't want to talk about drone attacks, kill lists, high level security leaks, or having your campaign people in the room while the kill lists are being drawn up (Axelrod).............or Wisconsin........ I wonder how many Republicans are on the kill list?

    We could talk about the spin being put on green jobs, and the unemployment numbers.

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    Go for it!
    Tell us your thoughts!
    I'm all ears!
    Please try to make it more intelligible than bobbys...okay?

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    Default Re: It might not be a foregone conclusion....

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddie View Post
    It's just that the usual thread starters don't want to talk about drone attacks, kill lists, high level security leaks, or having your campaign people in the room while the kill lists are being drawn up (Axelrod).............or Wisconsin........ I wonder how many Republicans are on the kill list?

    We could talk about the spin being put on green jobs, and the unemployment numbers.

    regards,
    Waddie
    how long did it take for you to come up with this drivel?

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    Default Re: It might not be a foregone conclusion....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    Why doesn't anything add to 100%? Also--how can 68% want to keep the law, if 67% don't want to?
    Because a certain percentage of poll subjects either


    • did not offer a response to that particular question
    • answered "other", or
    • answered no opinion


    Looks like about 8 percent of the total number polled fell into those categories ( 24+27+41 is 92; 100 - 92 is 8).

    For GOP subjects, it looks like 7 percent fell into those categories; Democrats 10% and Independents 8%.
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