sneakeasy plans ?

[peabody]

Howdy ....been reading the phil bolger boats with an open mind.
ordered the plans from dynamite payson......
For the sneakeasy. And dang it? I cannot figger out the measurement.
for the hull sides 0.9.0 .......o.6.6.......means what?
Im just wanting simple inches and foot measurements....
This must be a really dummy question...but? If ya dont know..ya gotta ask.
Thanks.
The sneakeasy plans are on page 82 in boats with an open mind.
Thanks for any help in advance.
peabody

[Jamie Orr]

Howdy ....been reading the phil bolger boats with an open mind.
ordered the plans from dynamite payson......
For the sneakeasy. And dang it? I cannot figger out the measurement.
for the hull sides 0.9.0 .......o.6.6.......means what?
Im just wanting simple inches and foot measurements....
This must be a really dummy question...but? If ya dont know..ya gotta ask.
Thanks.
The sneakeasy plans are on page 82 in boats with an open mind.
Thanks for any help in advance.
peabody

0-9-0 means zero feet, nine inches and zero eighths. If followed by a + or - then add or subtract a sixteenth.

It starts to make sense pretty quickly, with use.

Good luck with the Sneakeasy, I've thought about that one too.

Jamie

[peabody]

Jamie ....thanks a bunch!
Ive been packing these plans. With me out on the road in my semi.
been studying the heck out of the sneakeasy. I guess what im trying to say is.i want to totally
understand the plans. And build the sneakeasy in my head before i even cutt the first board.
But now. Thsnks to you. Ill play with the tape measure. And get the heights and lengths worked out in my
head.
Ive even thought of building her like walter baron builds a lumberyard skiff.
kinda sorta......
Anyhow thanks a million!
Peabody

[gstanfield]

Please start a build thread if you go through with it. The Sneakeasy is on my shortlist, I have the plans and look through them quite often.

[peabody]

Please start a build thread if you go through with it. The Sneakeasy is on my shortlist, I have the plans and look through them quite often.

Im determined to build a sneakeasy....in fact i just now stacked 20 2x4's in my barn... according to steve a guy
whos built a sneakeay. Says to build it on a strongback....and form it from that.
Soooo....here goes.
Im just gonna jump in and start building. Tired of thinking about it. Lol.
I know ill make a few mistakes ...but hopefully she'll turn out ok.
p.s. any of you guys seen john barttlets "LOON" ???
very similar to the sneakeasy ..cept she all open. No hood no draketails. Simple stick steering.
Has a tumbledome rear...if i spelt that right.
I would be very happy with that too.
peabody

[gstanfield]

Peabody, I replied to your PM, if my description doesn't make sense let me know and I'll re-word it and try again

I think the one built by Steve is the one in Alaska with the small cockpit forward for his son right? If so his website is pretty good about explaining things

[peabody]

Peabody, I replied to your PM, if my description doesn't make sense let me know and I'll re-word it and try again

I think the one built by Steve is the one in Alaska with the small cockpit forward for his son right? If so his website is pretty good about explaining things

G ..... better yet ...i called dennis at dynamite paysons ...about the bolger sneakeasy. We had a wonderfull
Conversation ..he explained my many questions. And my confidence in trying this design has soared.
Im understanding there is several differences in plans as to construct the boat. Im itching to get started.
Peabody

[gstanfield]

Sounds good, now get started (and take lots of pics...) From the questions you have been asking via PM and on here I'm sure you will do a great job on building this boat.

[slloyd]

Im understanding there is several differences in plans as to construct the boat.

can you explain further? i'm also interested in this topic

[peabody]

greg carlson ...built one ...with a modified hull ...my plans call for a straight flat bottom.
google : sneakeasy ... i found several sites about the sneak.
im building a brockway scow ..but ? i do think the sneakeasy will be my next build.
peabody

[MiddleAgesMan]

IIRC there are two Sneakeasy variants, one with a simple flat bottom with a little rocker, the other with a big box keel.

Just to reinforce the answer to the original question, Bolger's plans include certain key dimensions in the table of offsets. There are three numbers, the first is feet, the second is inches, the third is eighths of an inch. In a big boat building to 8ths is probably good enough but in small craft he uses a + or - to indicate 16ths.

So 0,9, 0 means 9 inches and 0,6,6 means 6 inches and 6/8 inch (better know as 3/4).

[slloyd]

i now have both books, dynamite's book with the flat bottom and bolgers book with a stepped chine bottom. i'm not sure which is better for me. inland lake, waves are only from other boats so i think flat bottom because it looks nicer???

hope you don't consider the following hijacking .. its related so didn't want to start a new thread
what i noticed about the instant boat building plans that the side panels will not actually fit on to the plywood given the distance from baseline. you can fit one, but not two .. unless you rotate them a bit (which I did, but that means i had to re-calculate all the baseline measurements).

the frames say they are 3/4" thick, or am i reading that wrong? they are built of 1/4" thick plywood .. so if they are 3/4" thick on the drawing does that imply that they need to be layered up three times?

slloyd

[gstanfield]

As I read the plans it appears that they are 1/4" thick frames with 3/4" boards cut to form a border around the edges of the frames. I'm guessing this based on the dotted lines running a few inches inboard of the outer edges of the frames. I could be wrong, but that's how I interpret it.

AS to this:

what i noticed about the instant boat building plans that the side panels will not actually fit on to the plywood given the distance from baseline. you can fit one, but not two .. unless you rotate them a bit (which I did, but that means i had to re-calculate all the baseline measurements).

I'm not sure that I fully understand the issue here. If you mean the nesting of the panels that's an easy one. The baseline is not the edge of the plywood, it's just an arbitrary line to measure from to get the curve of the panels. You can get both out of one sheet by flipping them, think two wedges with the sharp points facing opposite directions, kinda like this:

[slloyd]

baseline is not the edge of the plywood

that must be true, but in the same book (on a different page) author specifically says that the baseline is the edge of the plywood. Note to future builders.. the very front tip of boat (build line #0) has baseline measurement of 0" & 2-2-2 which is good and is set on the edge of the plywood. Over at build line #11 however, baseline measurement is 0-8-5 and 2-5-0. This corner (0-8-5) should also be set on the edge of the plywood and then you will have room for both sides (the other side runs in the opposite direction).

i'm still a little sketchy on the thickness the frames are supposed to be. 1/4" or 3/4" ? still researching... i'm going to go read the other online build blogs for this boat see if i can spot it.

Couple more questions.. any idea what these marks are for in the plans? The dotted lines beside the baseline measurements, and also the horizontal dimensions marked on drawing. see red marks.

[DGentry]

Well, the red line on the left points to butt blocks joining the plywood sheets. The red lines on the right point to the bulkhead positions, which are, respectively, 1/8" and 9/16" forward of the stations.

The bulkheads are built with "1x" (3/4" actual) framing around the edges of the 1/4" ply. This is pretty standard for a lot of Bolger's instant boats. You can scale the widths needed from the plans.

As always, a grain of salt is useful with random internet advice - even mine.

Good luck, and post pics!
Dave Gentry

[gstanfield]

As always, grain of salt is useful with random internet advice - even mine

Did I give bad advice somewhere or...?

[DGentry]

Did I give bad advice somewhere or...?

Yikes - no, sorry! Just warning him that I might be completely wrong . . . .

[gstanfield]

Ahh, gotcha. I was just worried that I read somethign wrong on the plans. Seeing as how we agreed on the frames and my thought of flipping the panels came straight from the building notes written by Dynamite Payson I was trying to figure out just where I went wrong

Just a note, on the other page where he refers to the baseline as being the edge of the ply, I'm fairly certian that was written for anothe plan as many of them use the edge of the ply as a baseline, but to squeeze both sides into the 4' width this boat has to be flipped and the baseline is just a reference.

Or that's my interpretation of the plans

[slloyd]

ya it was in a different boat plan where i read it. in the appendix the definition for baseline and it is a line that runs parallel with the waterline, no mention of edge of plywood at all.

the butt blocks won't apply to me because i'm happy trusting epoxy.

i'm still in the learning process, really want to wrap my mind around all construction details before i actually start. thanks for all your feedback!

[gstanfield]

No problem, the sneakeasy is on my "must build" list so it's one I have poured over quite a bit and read all the online blogs and builds that I can find. I'll be building the flat bottom version as it's a lot better looking in my eyes and this isn't a "big water" boat in any configuration!

[slloyd]

funny.. i went to the library to take the book out a couple of weeks ago and wouldn't you know it, book on hold 3 people deep. must be on a a lot of people's "must build" list.

what kind of wood are you going to use? i really liked the wood planked top that one of the web builders showed (Dwight?), looks sharp, giving me some ideas.. hmm...

right now i am drafting this boat in 3D (using google sketchup) is kinda interesting. lets me really work out how each piece goes together, puts the plan in my mind firmly. plus its fun!

[DGentry]

Bruce Hallman did some 3d stuff with Sneakeasy:
Check it out here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/tags/sneakeasy/
Or his whole Bolger 3d sketchbook: http://hallman.org/bolger/isometrics.html

Sneakeasy

[gstanfield]

When I build mine I'm probably going to use regular marine ply painted dark blue for the hull and western red cedar strip planking on the decks with Seadeck (http://www.seadek.com/) on the sole with a restored 1950's 35hp Evinrude for power.

[slloyd]

why the restored Evinrude?

[gstanfield]

I always like the looks of them and it reminds me of the runabout an uncle had when I was a kid

Although I have also thought of a 25hp four stroke to be more user friendly...

[slloyd]

i played around with some of the frames to see how to minimize purchase of 1/4" thick plywood. can save two whole sheets with this layout!

[slloyd]

cut out the pieces .. the bottom of all frames are on the same plane (29" from baseline) except for frame #2 which is slightly elevated at 27 5/8" from baseline.
frame #8 is the widest, so the side panels already touch at this place only in this picture. next will be to bend the side panels in so the touch all frames (not sure how to actually do this in sketchup...)

[slloyd]

in post #14 - the drawing shows to circles on the surface of the drake tails. what are these for? says "4 inch deck plate, P & S" ?

[gstanfield]

Those are for small round hatches, I wouldn't consider them essential myself, but you may wish to put them there.

Like this:

[slloyd]

what are you supposed to do with it?

also .. i noticed that frame #4 is actually taller then all the rest. so the front top deck will have a hump in it.

[gstanfield]

Some people like access hatches to be able to check for water intrusion, but I hold to the opposite theory that they are inviting water intrusion by making a hole in the hull!

[MiddleAgesMan]

I have flotation chambers in the aft end of my Simmons. Without an inspection hatch I wouldn't know they were not air tight and are allowing water in from rain and washdowns.

[slloyd]

i thought maybe that's where you hide the beers ..

in the last frame, #10, why is there an oval hole? same idea, to see if there is water?

next question .. lol do you think this boat could handle a removal ladder? i'd like to go swimming in the lake, wondering if it could be made convenient to get back in the boat.

[Oldad]

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do you think this boat could handle a removal ladder? i'd like to go swimming in the lake, wondering if it could be made convenient to get back in the boat.

Why not? Should be fine and you could store it under the foredeck.

[slloyd]

where is a good place to hang it? the side walls are only 1/4" thick... maybe off the back transom but the engine is there.

[P.L.Lenihan]

Have the ladder pivot off one of the aft sponsons.It will lay flat atop the sponson when underway but be readily available for any swimming you may wish to undertake simply by flipping it up,over and back.Ensure motor is turned off

Hanging a ladder off the side of the boat,may be enough to roll her, if you or a guest is on the tiny challenged side of the scale.This is a very skinny and low boat despite her length and a chunk of weight climbing up her side and the right wave, will toss her.

Cheers!


Peter

[slloyd]

how do you know how much epoxy & fiberglass tape to buy for the sneakeasy?