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    Hi Jim, thanks for the compliments, I got one of those automatic touch up cameras so y'all can't see my f - ups. I,m in Melbourne Australia

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    I am going to start a new thread on this build with a name which is more apt, so I'll see ya there

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    Andrew, you can move this thread to another section of the forum, change the name as you do it then shift it back while keeping everything so far posted . See thread tools at the top of the page.
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    Hi there, this is a continuation of the thread entitled "New Build with Pics - Yay". I thought rather than a rush-of-blood name, I'd change to something a bit more understandable.

    Anyway last weekend, I've managed to cutout the 3 laminations of keelson and notch the frames for the keelson to sit in evenly and hopefully fair. Each piece is 5/8 by 7 inches so I reckon with the shallow bend required it should be fair. One thing I found was that smearing the glue on such a wide plank, it would have been handy to have a v-groove trowel to make it easier to get an even consistent layer of glue. Just small 1/8" notches would have been enough. I got squeezeout all round so I'm happy. You'll see a couple of snaps of the supervisors too.
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    thanks Peter

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    OK first pic is the keelson all clamped up and with plastic drip tray under. There are the odd spaces without clamps because i screwed the layers together then moved the clamp to a new spot. Boatbuilders clampitis or lack of. I havent glued keelson to stems/frames yet because I want to remove it and finish sides and
    put a roundover on top edge, also still thinking about cutting centreboard slot now

    Now you can see why I overengineered my strongback cos with my +100kg self clambering over it I dont want any movement



    Corporal Arno having a relax And Sargeant Boris messing with my tape measure
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    Looks great! Is it three layers lamination?

    Good idea to remove the keelson for finishing work - I wish I thought about that! I also think is is wise to cut the centreboard slot on the bench and after gluing!

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    Yes just 3 layers Fredrik, makes yours look a little stronger. But I suppose by the time I have the ply on and deadwood for outer keel it'll beef-up a little!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post




    Corporal Arno having a relax
    I think Corporal Arno's waitin for the muffins from that tin.
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    Much neater than mine Andrew! Gluing it up then actually remembering to do a round over before leaping on to the next bit ! Very thoughtful!
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    Thanks for sharing your photos.
    I know how much work it is to post on this site.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Looking real good Andrew.
    I'm glad Peter's renaming advice worked out and that you were able to keep the thread all in one piece.
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    Thanks Chris Pete Don and Vern, hopefully more production this weekend so I'll be back next week with some more pics. The renaming went smoother than I expected, much like procrastinating about boatbuilding.

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    Well after leaving the keelson to cure for a week I took it over to my table for a belt-sand, you can see it doesnt have much of a curve and its pretty light so I could carry it myself.



    It has a taper each end, one more so than the other. I put a 1/4 inch round on the top edges and the plotted where to cut the centreboard slot, Drill a hole at each end ( now I'm commited ) And cut between with the circular saw. You might notice that the timber seems to be laminated sideways and you'd be right. The boards took on about a 3/4 inch sideways set so I had to rip them and swap the bits around to get them straight because they were only just wide enough. Those holes are in the middle too, thats just the glue line



    The plans call for block to sit between frame 8 and the keelson so I got to try out my new toy, an oscilating spindle sander to make the bottom of block match the curve of frame. I promised her it'd be put to good use and it was worth its weight in gold, couldnt build the boat without it etc. Thats the after stem at bottom of picture



    I decided to tape up everything to help stop the dreaded goop from dirtying all the wood before priming and placing a thickened coat of epoxy on the contact areas then lowering the keelson into place. Success now just clamp and wait. I pulled the tape after a few hours so that I could get it off before I had to paint the boat blue as well.

    Somethings busted cos I cant post this picture so I'll come back when its fixed and post some more boat-porn

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    Do you mean those three pictures of the hog and building frame?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I'll be here for this one Andrew, a very neat build !

    and it sounds as if you have very supportive other half," I promised her it'd be put to good use and it was worth its weight in gold, couldnt build the boat without it etc."
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    It took more than hour to just get those pics on Nick, I have more but got sick of it. SWMBO figures its better than me being down the pub Peter, mind you she asks for the receipts, must be waiting for me to roll over so she knows how much to sell em for

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    I suspect that it was your photo hosting site, rather than the forum. That took seconds flat.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Frame 3a with block to keelson. I had to put the block because when I lofted the new frame location ( new rig ) I forgot to allow for the downwards slope of keelson. Heres hoping the rest of the frame is ok !!!!



    Here's Frame 2 where the forward stem meets keelson. I like the way stem lines flow nicely into keelson ( got that bit right !! ) I reckon I'll wait til I've planed down the keelson before screwing the stem to it. I know its glued but I'm a bit of a belt and braces sorta guy.



    And the aft stem doesnt quite flow into keelson ( cant quite pick it in this shot ) but thats as per plan. I think when the deadwood and rudder post thingy is put on it'll work out ok. Theres a larger block here, I think it would have been quite a feat to encourage laminations of frame to bend down this far.



    In between time at home I'm starting on making the gaff - this shot shows the sides at 3/4" thick with battens stuck to each one. The underside (sail side) of spar is straight so the insides as the photo is taken have straight battens and the outers have the curved ones for taper. As the spar is also tapered in width I am planning on cutting guide marks across these battens so I get the taper even. One end has more taper than the other.


    I cheated a bit and put pic in next post - went in straight away - Go Figure
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    I'm looking forward to the mast building process Andrew and that's very nice stock too.
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    Just so you dont think Ive left you all, I am getting really frustrated with the problem of posting pics ( computers really p*** me off ) so until I figure it out you;ll just have to imagine it. I've started fairing the keelson and frames and working up the courage to start hacking into my stash of Okoume ply. Before that I'll make up a template with the pine battens I have ( when i get my thinnessser fixed ) Meanwhile I have made a bench along the wall in the shed to scarf each plank on, with a cutting frame at end to slice up the sheets on. Planed the gaff halves down to their respective shapes and hope to get them glued this weekend.
    All for now til i figure out this dang prob ( my puter wont run IE so dont even go there - just the start of having a machine thats in tatters )
    grrrrrr

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    Andrew , I use a photo called Picturetrail.http://www.picturetrail.com/

    If you click on that link and join up it is fairly simple to host and post images.

    On the page shown there is "upload pictures" .
    If you click this then on the page that comes up
    "use old uploader"
    Next comes a "choose file" list.
    Click and your computer's file directory will come up .
    Select the photo from your computer you want to post.
    Then "upload pics".
    This will appear..........>>>>> Click,"Get Image urls"
    Upload processing done.

    What would you like to do next?
    Manage My Photos
    Manage My Homepage
    Get Image URLs


    In the box titled Forums [IMG] Tag: is a URL, a link to the photo host.
    Copy and Paste that URL complete without missing anything to the page you what the photo to appear on , here?
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    Thanks Peter I will try that this weekend to see if it works. I suspect it may be my puter? That's giving me grief
    so we will see. Had a few too mant drinks at mo. and going to woodworking show tomorrow. That is one nice pic you posted.
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    i gotta good visual thing going on.....but i would like to SEE this bench of yours. What happened with your planer, belt or other issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    Just so you dont think Ive left you all, I am getting really frustrated with the problem of posting pics ( computers really p*** me off ) so until I figure it out you;ll just have to imagine it. I've started fairing the keelson and frames and working up the courage to start hacking into my stash of Okoume ply. Before that I'll make up a template with the pine battens I have ( when i get my thinnessser fixed ) Meanwhile I have made a bench along the wall in the shed to scarf each plank on, with a cutting frame at end to slice up the sheets on. Planed the gaff halves down to their respective shapes and hope to get them glued this weekend.
    All for now til i figure out this dang prob ( my puter wont run IE so dont even go there - just the start of having a machine thats in tatters )
    grrrrrr
    Different web forums use different programs and they all operate differently.
    As far as you computer try buying a MAC computer next time. They are like a washing machine.
    You just push the button and they work. When I read about IBM computer problems I always wonder why the customers put up with all that technical mumbo jumbo.
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    I really like Firefox until it's time to post some pictures here. Last time I had the forum open in IE and my picture host in FF which was extraordinarily cumbersome.

    Looking forward to seeing your progress though.

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    The menu I gave above works and works very easily for me .
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    A couple of shots of the bench I built up from old kitchen cupboards and some pine timbers for cutting table at the end for slicing up the ply sheets




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    Woohoo it works Thanks Heaps Peter, now for some more
    Ive started fairing the keelson and frames for accepting the planking for which I used a stick of pine pivoting from plank lap point and swing it backwards/forwards along keelson to get the angle. At this point I am only going about 90% faired and once I get a plank made up the final adjustments will be done



    Just the start of the mountain of shavings



    The plans call for a 1" flat to be left on stems so its marked out on centre and you can see in this shot the centre section of mould 8 has been cut away to allow planking to lay faibr />

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    Meanwhile I am working on the Gaff at home and in this first shot Ive got a wedge of timber marked with thicknesses to set my slide saw blade height, then with a batten against fence to hold workpiece out ( to allow for curvature of blade ) I am cutting differing slots through both halves of gaff, so that I can use them as a guide when planing which will give me an even tapered spar, fingures crossed.






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    Andrew, I'm glad that worked ! Now we can see what you're up to .

    I ran a batten around my moulds at the lap point then used a length of wood notched along 300mm of it's length to the depth of the batten, 16mm to give me that angle. It proved quick and simple and I can get the angle everywhere. The ideal batten would be 20mm dowel but being rough I used a rectangular section, the round would be very useful at the ends where the rectangular section doesn't twist perfectly and lifts the gauge a little.

    Is that as clear as mud ? Should I take a photo?
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    Hi Pete, Yes I think I get you, but pics is good, is Don. Like those pics you see where people have added the guide rod on side of plane ( smarty pants ) I am in the predicament of not having the frames faired until I have a plank to guide me and then I could get a true guide off them. The moulds are set to the station lines but the frames being screwed to them run out past true line so they can be faired back to the station ( I think I know what I mean )
    I forgot to answer a couple of questions from before. My thinesser ( child humour ) packed it due to a huge number of sparks coming from where the brushes contact the rotating thingy inside motor so I've ordered some more from USA ( Delta brand, not sure if anyone still carries parts here )
    Donald, I am hearing you - I love my Ipad, and have promised my self an Imac when I throw this PC out the window. I love the way Macs just work like most other electric products.

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    I think Carbatec carries Delta or used to Andrew.

    I'm not sure I understand about the frames .... did you cut them oversize ? I assume you will run battens through the lap points to fair them ? or mean the bevels on the frames rather than their profile?
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    Andrew, this is the jig I use to get the lap angles . As you can see it isn't sitting perfectly on the batten, were the batten round there wouldn't be any problem. I may buy a few length of 16mm dowel and scarf them up and actually do it properly.

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